Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective

Maybe - but yet the Bible contains ALL that is needed to understand Father God and His plan for Salvation.

'Mother energy'???

The statements / declarations / teachings that you folks push have NO root in scripture - not even Apocrypha.

It's all based on pagan-written false documents by people who HATED the Hebrews and their God.

Jesus preached that the Kingdom of Heaven was coming. That fits the verse nicely with the phrase 'when the perfect comes'.

OP is correct. What do you think the story is about in the Bible then when a rib was removed from Adam to create the woman? Obviously the woman already existed within adam! However another way to look at all of it is that each one of us has feminine and masculine energies. The problem over the thousands of years is that the feminine energy has been squelched into nearly non-existence. The masculine energy has been distorted and now is no longer what it truly was meant to be. It has become narcissistic, manipulative and controlling.

A well-balanced harmonious individual will have learned to work with both feminine and masculine energies within themselves.

Thanks for the comments. As you can see some people view the scripture literally and are unable to grasp other deeper meanings. Scripture is quantum in nature with various levels of meaning. It takes the guidance of the Creator's spirit to understand the deeper meanings. If a person's ego drowns out the Creator's whisper of instruction, a person stays at the literal level of interpretation.

Again, not everything is contained in the Bible. Funny you acknowledge that, then go on to say that since it's not in the Bible, it's pagan.

You do realize that it's written in the Bible that everything that Jesus did could not be contained in one book. So are you denying all that Jesus did, but is not contained in the Bible is false or is paganistic?

Thanks for the video of narration of the book of Revelations!

youre welcome... its not that scary... all should read it... suggest people read it who do not understand and look toward the sky for salvation

The book of Revelations is the unveiling for all to see the truth. That will scare those not in a relationship with the Creator. Once the events conclude in Revelations, all arguments will cease as all will know the truth. All will know the Creator.

Maybe - but yet the Bible contains ALL that is needed to understand Father God and His plan for Salvation.

'Mother energy'???

The statements / declarations / teachings that you folks push have NO root in scripture - not even Apocrypha.

It's all based on pagan-written false documents by people who HATED the Hebrews and their God.

The spirit is actually feminine energy. Take for instance Proverbs 8 discussing wisdom. Take hold of instruction let her not go away keep her for she is thy life sorry that's Proverbs for and in Proverbs 8 you see that wisdom is described as more than a good quality she was with God before the foundation of the world she is co-eternal with him

The Gospel of Thomas mentions Jesus referring to mother.

Read the wisdom of Solomon for wisdom which is the worker of all things taught me for in her is an understanding Spirit holy One only manifold subtle lively clear undefiled and so on read the whole thing so that you have a full understanding

And later in chapter 9 verses 9 and 10 we read and wisdom was with thee which knoweth thy works and was present when thou made us the world and

In the Catholic Apocrypha the book of sirach or Ecclesiastes we read wisdom have been created before all things and the understanding of prudence from

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The spirit is actually feminine energy. Take for instance Proverbs 8 discussing wisdom. Take hold of instruction let her not go away keep her for she is thy life sorry that's Proverbs for and in Proverbs 8 you see that wisdom is described as more than a good quality she was with God before the foundation of the world she is co-eternal with him

The Gospel of Thomas mentions Jesus referring to mother.

Read the wisdom of Solomon for wisdom which is the worker of all things taught me for in her is an understanding Spirit holy One only manifold subtle lively clear undefiled and so on read the whole thing so that you have a full understanding

And later in chapter 9 verses 9 and 10 we read and wisdom was with thee which knoweth thy works and was present when thou made us the world and

In the Catholic Apocrypha the book of sirach or Ecclesiastes we read wisdom have been created before all things and the understanding of prudence from

There is more I'll find more for you

If you go back a few pages, there was a discussion on wisdom that SOTL was engaged in. If you read through that discussion you will see his position on wisdom. He didn't seem to understand the difference between true wisdom from the Creator and worldly wisdom from the god of this world.

At least that is how I interpreted his comments. I may have misunderstood what he was saying. So he is free to clarify and correct any misunderstanding that I may have related to what he was saying in those earlier pages.

It is unfortunate that people get tripped up on words or terms before they endeavor to understand what is being said.

The Gnostics named wisdom Sophia.

The Bible calls the divine spirit of the Creator wisdom.

The Bible also refers to worldly wisdom or the wisdom of man as a bad thing as it comes from man's ego and resulting dualism.

Christians talk about a relationship with God through his indwelling Holy Spirit which is the same as the Creator's feminine essence which equals wisdom.

The different terminology confuses many.

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Is not the Kingdom of Heaven "Perfect"? Where is another verse or statement from Jesus where he is identified with the exact term "Perfect". Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God.

You perfectly illustrate the point that there is the scripture and then man's multiple interpretations of what the words mean.

In the Hebrews religion, most rabbis are not so arrogant to believe that they are the only one right so they publish all rabbinical opinions. They acknowledge that only the Creator knows for sure who is correct.

Your view is your perspective that the term "Perfect" refers to Jesus. My view is that it refers to the Kingdom of Heaven. Why did Paul not just say when Jesus comes? He obviously knew of Jesus. Instead he used the term "Perfect". It could be referring to both Jesus and the Kingdom since they are interconnected.

God's Kingdom - New Jerusalem with New Heaven and New Earth doesn't come until the END of Jesus' Millenial Reign on Earth.

In between is the 'release' of Satan for a short while.

Father God isn't on Earth when that happens.

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Jesus lived a sinless life. He was and is perfect.

A few verses...

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It is unfortunate that people get tripped up on words or terms before they endeavor to understand what is being said.

The Gnostics named wisdom Sophia.

The Bible calls the divine spirit of the Creator wisdom.

The Bible also refers to worldly wisdom or the wisdom of man as a bad thing as it comes from man's ego and resulting dualism.

Christians talk about a relationship with God through his indwelling Holy Spirit which is the same as the Creator's feminine essence which equals wisdom.

The different terminology confuses many.

Which verse calls him Perfect? The verses describe him as sinless, a perfect sacrifice, and etc.

So if Jesus was Perfect, then the Perfect came 2000 years ago. The verse in 1 Corinthians is talking about a future perfect that arrives which again fits the arrival of the Kingdome of Heaven more so than the Perfect Jesus coming a second time.

In Exodus chapter 6 God revealed it's highest manifestation to Moses with the name YHVH and contrasted that with the name of El Shaddai that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew God as. Commentators in the Stone Edition of the Torah note that El Shaddai was a lesser manifestation of God that put limits on creation through natural laws and put limits on the universe while YHVH was the highest manifestation of God.

Both manifestations of "God" derive from the Creator/Source energy that comes from nothingness or void. Out of nothing came a divine thought that was nothing until it became something. Similar how humans think before speaking words from sounds. The thought arises to produce something more tangible.

The key point is that there is One source to all. The universal mind that is aware and exists and is outside of our realm and unknowable to us.

We are co-creators with this source and by trying to understand and define what created us, we as a group co-create smaller faces or fractals of the unknowable energy that we focus on to call "god". These fractals are part of the unknowable Creator/Source and are given power by those that believe in them.

Groups fight and argue about their opinions and perspectives of what they believe to be truth when in reality whatever each individual believes to be true is their reality and their universe.

The great awakening is when a significant portion of humanity sees through veil to understand that there is only One with many parts and that the parts are really an illusion as the One explores different perspectives of itself.

We are very close to the unveiling where many will understand and see through the illusion.

All those with awareness of existing are part of the greater whole. In the end those with awareness will acknowledge that there is only One and that what we view as separation is just an illusion.

Continue to follow your individual path of awakening. Look deep within your being to know who you are and what you are part of. See beyond the illusions all around you that distract. Do not engage in arguing with others about their path compared to your own, but instead, focus your energies and thoughts on reaching your source and truths within. When you accomplish that, you will grow to change your perspective to see through the illusion by increasing your awareness.

The Creator/Source has total awareness. By going within to enhance our connection to our Source energy, we will expand our awareness to go beyond this world of lies which has each of us distracted.

At least this is my perspective and my path. Yours may be very different as everyone's path is unique. My perspective is only shared to help those on a similar path to mine.

Stay true to yourself and your path.

Enjoy your journey.

No it doesn't.

The problem is in your human brain - you refuse to accept basics about God and Jesus.

Jesus ascended to the Father and sits at His right hand.

Only a perfect being - the SON OF God - could be there.

You're just unwilling to accept simple truthful explanations - and instead try to create complex understandings that just are NOT there.

Why do you care what the Bible has written by mostly unknown authors? Further, what method did you use to reject all the other god claims?

You failed...

I didn't fail at anything.

YOU fail at understanding.

Your human arrogance raises it's ugly head as it always does.

Your 'Plato Sophia' is bullshit.

I didn't fail at anything.

YOU fail at understanding.

Your human arrogance raises it's ugly head as it always does.

Your 'Plato Sophia' is bullshit.

My perspective is only shared to help those on a similar path to mine.

You are on a vastly different path from me.

Stay true to yourself and your path.

Enjoy your journey. You will end where your beliefs take you.

Fine thread OP, it just found its way to me this morning. I have come to the conclusion that any and everything is possible, self determination and fate most certainly coexist, much like the chicken and the egg. The illusion is a construct that very little is possible or that everything that can be known is known and you are less than you are.

To me, the theta state of consciousness is where the connection is greatest. This is a very relaxed state, prior to sleep and most likely the altered state of consciousness mystics, seer and prophet of renown would go to connect to spirit.

It is hard for me to perceive creator, to me it might appear more as if or act like cymatics. A constant flow of energy with unlimited potential, not really visible until you add the medium of sand. Switching from one frequency to another can show you what each frequency might represent in the real world, manifest. Intricate and pleasing or distorted and chaotic. You might look to John Hutchison's work to consider what frequencies might be capable of when combined, think creation/destruction.

It is impossible for me to perceive as God as a being like us, however I have no problems with God manifesting him/herself anyway it sees fit. To say, perceiving God only in man's image seems folly and in error to me, most likely part of the deception.

5 * OP. I am not religious, have never read the bible but always knew there would be plenty of truth to be found within its pages. It is comforting to know your interpretation of things aligns with my own spiritual journey.

The either or paradigm we are currently experiencing seems to be nothing more then one potential truth/lie being promoted over another potential truth/lie based on differing perspectives simply to control. Meanwhile, the holy trinity does indeed exist as there is not only mind and body but spirit as well. Mind is the bridge between the physical and the non physical.

I am of the notion that while in he theta state of consciousness, one's thoughts manifest more frequently. It would also not surprise me in slightest bit if belief in one self and act being undertaken will also increase the likely-hood and or reliability of manifesting, or mind over matter.

I am also of the notion that there are certain inflection points in our experiences, be it shared and or personal that we can not affect. Given consideration to infinite potential, perhaps there are infinite ways to get from one inflection point to the other, we co-create our reality, the journey. A near perfect anology were the choose your own adventure books...

I cant help but think the conflict we see today is the result of attempts to control the journey to influence an upcoming inflection point, be it pointless or not. Who can really say?