Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective

You did not point out a verse like I requested. You did give a link to verses that supported Jesus to be a perfect sacrifice and sinless.

I understand your perspective. I see no evidence that you understand my perspective.

You want to argue that Jesus isn't 'perfect'?

1. Father God is perfect. It stands to reason that the Son of God is also perfect.

2. Jesus was born of a virgin without fornication (sin) - as Father God used the Holy Spirit to put Jesus into Mary's egg.

3. Jesus lived a sinless life - even resisting the Temptation from Satan himself.

4. How could Jesus have been 'the perfect sacrifice' IF He wasn't perfect to begin with? Sacrificing a sinner has no 'perfection' to it at all - and is nothing more than murder to appease false gods - an abomination to Father God.

5. Humans can't be made 'presentable to God' / perfect WITHOUT at least Repenting and Believing in the Son of God. The 'Thief on the Cross' is the perfect example of this. The thief humbly said the 'bare minimun' to achieve Salvation.

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The word "perfect" occurs 42 times in 39 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

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Hebrews 5

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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Paul speaks many times about Christ's Second Coming.

Here's the few times he mentions 'the kingdom of God'.

"kingdom of God" occurs 8 times in 8 verses in between Romanas and Philemon in the KJV.

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Fine thread OP, it just found its way to me this morning. I have come to the conclusion that any and everything is possible, self determination and fate most certainly coexist, much like the chicken and the egg. The illusion is a construct that very little is possible or that everything that can be known is known and you are less than you are.

To me, the theta state of consciousness is where the connection is greatest. This is a very relaxed state, prior to sleep and most likely the altered state of consciousness mystics, seer and prophet of renown would go to connect to spirit.

It is hard for me to perceive creator, to me it might appear more as if or act like cymatics. A constant flow of energy with unlimited potential, not really visible until you add the medium of sand. Switching from one frequency to another can show you what each frequency might represent in the real world, manifest. Intricate and pleasing or distorted and chaotic. You might look to John Hutchison's work to consider what frequencies might be capable of when combined, think creation/destruction.

It is impossible for me to perceive as God as a being like us, however I have no problems with God manifesting him/herself anyway it sees fit. To say, perceiving God only in man's image seems folly and in error to me, most likely part of the deception.

5 * OP. I am not religious, have never read the bible but always knew there would be plenty of truth to be found within its pages. It is comforting to know your interpretation of things aligns with my own spiritual journey.

The either or paradigm we are currently experiencing seems to be nothing more then one potential truth/lie being promoted over another potential truth/lie based on differing perspectives simply to control. Meanwhile, the holy trinity does indeed exist as there is not only mind and body but spirit as well. Mind is the bridge between the physical and the non physical.

I am of the notion that while in he theta state of consciousness, one's thoughts manifest more frequently. It would also not surprise me in slightest bit if belief in one self and act being undertaken will also increase the likely-hood and or reliability of manifesting, or mind over matter.

I am also of the notion that there are certain inflection points in our experiences, be it shared and or personal that we can not affect. Given consideration to infinite potential, perhaps there are infinite ways to get from one inflection point to the other, we co-create our reality, the journey. A near perfect anology were the choose your own adventure books...

I cant help but think the conflict we see today is the result of attempts to control the journey to influence an upcoming inflection point, be it pointless or not. Who can really say?

Sophia gnonsense. It's a heathen pagan Plato concept applied incorrectly to Abrahamic religions.

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The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth.

Wisdom is the correct moral applications of truth and knowledge.

Thread: Bible Study - Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of the LORD etc...

Thread: Knowledge Wisdom Truth and the Wise - KJV Bible Study

Jesus warns about 'the wise'.

Thanks sharing your perspective! Great thoughts and comments.

The Creator emanates various attributes of Itself as Its energy flows into this reality and is utilized by various beings some of which think of themselves as gods. Our task is to use our portion to display infinite love in a dualistic realm. In essence to assist the flow of the Creator's energy back to where it came.

I totally agree with your view. Lot's of good information on this thread. Kudos to op for an informative thread!

OP never said Jesus was not perfect. He said the kingdom of heaven was also perfect and either one could be the meaning of the word perfect in the verse.

Arguments are of Satan. A person full of ego argues to prove their view of things is the only right view.

Other readers of this thread can see SOTL true nature. SOTL argues and causes division while Jesus called his followers to love one another. SOTL's name calling and degrading memes illustrate his hatred for any that disagree with him.

I am thankful to not be in the reality he is creating for himself. It is one of ego and hatred for any who disagree which will follow him into the afterlife. Everyone creates their own heaven or hell with their choices of how to treat others today.

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You want to argue that Jesus isn't 'perfect'?

1. Father God is perfect. It stands to reason that the Son of God is also perfect.

2. Jesus was born of a virgin without fornication (sin) - as Father God used the Holy Spirit to put Jesus into Mary's egg.

3. Jesus lived a sinless life - even resisting the Temptation from Satan himself.

4. How could Jesus have been 'the perfect sacrifice' IF He wasn't perfect to begin with? Sacrificing a sinner has no 'perfection' to it at all - and is nothing more than murder to appease false gods - an abomination to Father God.

5. Humans can't be made 'presentable to God' / perfect WITHOUT at least Repenting and Believing in the Son of God. The 'Thief on the Cross' is the perfect example of this. The thief humbly said the 'bare minimun' to achieve Salvation.

.....

The word "perfect" occurs 42 times in 39 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

.....

Hebrews 5

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

.....

Paul speaks many times about Christ's Second Coming.

Here's the few times he mentions 'the kingdom of God'.

"kingdom of God" occurs 8 times in 8 verses in between Romanas and Philemon in the KJV.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

You want to argue that Jesus isn't 'perfect'?

1. Father God is perfect. It stands to reason that the Son of God is also perfect.

2. Jesus was born of a virgin without fornication (sin) - as Father God used the Holy Spirit to put Jesus into Mary's egg.

3. Jesus lived a sinless life - even resisting the Temptation from Satan himself.

4. How could Jesus have been 'the perfect sacrifice' IF He wasn't perfect to begin with? Sacrificing a sinner has no 'perfection' to it at all - and is nothing more than murder to appease false gods - an abomination to Father God.

5. Humans can't be made 'presentable to God' / perfect WITHOUT at least Repenting and Believing in the Son of God. The 'Thief on the Cross' is the perfect example of this. The thief humbly said the 'bare minimun' to achieve Salvation.

.....

The word "perfect" occurs 42 times in 39 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

.....

Hebrews 5

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

.....

Paul speaks many times about Christ's Second Coming.

Here's the few times he mentions 'the kingdom of God'.

"kingdom of God" occurs 8 times in 8 verses in between Romanas and Philemon in the KJV.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]

Here are another couple of verses that refer to the New Covenant that the Creator makes with Its people.

Again Archangels and Lords are creator beings.

They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator [Archangel and Lord], who is blessed forever. Amen. - Romans 1:25

OP never said...

OP never said Jesus was not perfect. He said the kingdom of heaven was also perfect and either one could be the meaning of the word perfect in the verse.

Arguments are of Satan. A person full of ego argues to prove their view of things is the only right view.

When Jesus the second time, he brings the Kingdom of Heaven to earth according to the bible. Seems like the second is synonymous with establishing God's kingdom on earth.

Thanks sharing your perspective! Great thoughts and comments.

The Creator emanates various attributes of Itself as Its energy flows into this reality and is utilized by various beings some of which think of themselves as gods. Our task is to use our portion to display infinite love in a dualistic realm. In essence to assist the flow of the Creator's energy back to where it came.

We may be already in the period that Satan has been loosed to deceive the nations and are now waiting for the alpha and Omega to bring God's kingdom.

After the nations are received by Satan, God's kingdom is established on the new earth.

Revelations chapter 21

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Yes, the book of Revelations is prophetic and is all metaphors and symbolism. 1,000 years may have taken us to the dark ages when Satan was released and the calendars altered. We may be waiting for the new heaven and earth right now. After all, that is what Ascension is - humanity awakening to create a new reality.