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I'm putting this up for feedback. It's written at first hand.

The way current money works is fundamentally flawed. They are created out of thin air aka inflation, and with their creation a correlated debt is also instituted.

Let’s exemplify. U.S. government needs 1 trillion $, so the FED creates 1 trillion $ of never existing before fresh money, and it also emits bonds of that value that the U.S. government promises to pay back. But who should they really pay back for that trillion?
Let’s say total money supply is 100 trillion when this new 1 trillion is created and credited to the government. Before it’s creation, the existing supply of 100 trillions was distributed among the various entities such as private individuals, corporations and so on. An entity who owned say 1 trillion $, had an 1% share of the money supply or of purchasing power. Once the new 1 trillion is created, the share of money that entity owns gets diluted by 1%, so now it roughly owns only 0.99% share of the money supply. And this dilution of the share of money owned applies to everyone. So that new trillion created is actually created from the sum total of the shares of money supply lost by all entities. Basically, without me knowing, the money i hold in my pocket now have less value, because they represent a smaller share of the money supply, because some new money were created and increased the money supply, while the nominal amount of money i have in my pocket remained the same in number, but diminished in %.

This is how inflation works. Prices increase because the intrinsic value of a good remains unchanged, meaning it costs the same share of the total purchasing power as before, but as the total supply of money increases, that share of the total purchasing power means more in nominal amount of money. At the same time, i remain with the same nominal amount of money, therefore my share of the purchasing power decreases, so i can buy less with the same amount of money.

Now let’s imagine a different system of money. Let’s say we have a fixed amount of money, for example 100 trillion. No new money can be created and no money can be destroyed. Let’s also assume these money are smart, meaning that whatever rules we set for how they get distributed, those rules will be automatically enacted.

Let’s set the following rules. The money is divided into 3 equal parts, each of 33.3 trillion.
1st part is to be distributed monthly as UBI.
2nd part is to be distributed monthly for public spending
3rd part is to be distributed continuously according to the principles of free market (i.e. how current money works)

At a population of 8 billion this would mean that each month the system will redistribute 416$ to each individual on the planet as UBI. The incentive is such that all these 33.3 trillion will be spent on the free market by the end of each month.

The 2nd portion effectively represents taxation. These 33.3 trillion will go to government accounts for public spending every month. The specific taxation scheme can be any of the usual ones, fixed, progressive etc. As above, the incentive is such that all these 33.3 trillion will be spent on the free market by the end of each month.

The 3rd portion will be distributed and accumulated by the well known principles of free-market capitalist competition among the profit-seeking individuals and corporations. This is the portion the people who want to get rich will battle for. Their wealth will accumulate in time and we will still have the richest person on earth and so on.

What are the benefits of such a system?


- every person will have enough money every month to cover their living expenses, since everyone will own at least a fair fixed share of the total amount of money. The free-market will provide that that share is enough for basic necessities.
Governments will have money for public spending each month.
There will be NO public debt
There will be no inflation, the money you have will always represent the same share of the total money supply
There will be no need for institutions like IRS, since all taxation will be done directly on the money, or like FED.
Corporations won’t be able to become more powerful than states
The richest 1% won’t be able to own 99% of the wealth like now, but at most they’ll own 33% of it
Everyone will be free to seek their happiness
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Okay, but what if I choose to horde. And horde. And horde until all 100 trillion is mine? Or let say I save 1 trillion.. so that only means 99 trillion is to be redistributed and the entire population now gets a cut less each month because I have 1% of all existing money already? Would I, who saved one trillion, still get the UBI at the same rate as everyone else?
Does money saved end up getting recycled back each month regardless if you have used it, therefore preventing such savings? Sounds very... Rape culture
If it's free then it's not truly fair. What would be the motive to work? What would get accomplished? YOU might think you'd work but you would quickly realize, what's the point, my shit still gets stolen from ppl who didn't want to do the work. Then the police officer would be like, why should I help you, we make the same amount of money and all you do is serve coffee and sing bad kerioke late at night when I gotta wake my ass up at 2:30am on weekends.
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the only fair money is no-money

'World without money'
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Okay, but what if I choose to horde. And horde. And horde until all 100 trillion is mine? Or let say I save 1 trillion.. so that only means 99 trillion is to be redistributed and the entire population now gets a cut less each month because I have 1% of all existing money already? Would I, who saved one trillion, still get the UBI at the same rate as everyone else?
Does money saved end up getting recycled back each month regardless if you haven't used it, therefore preventing such savings? Sounds very... Rape culture
If it's free then it's not truly fair. What would be the motive to work? What would get accomplished? YOU might think you'd work but you would quickly realize, what's the point, my shit still gets stolen from ppl who didn't want to do the work. Then the police officer would be like, why should I help you, we make the same amount of money and all you do is serve coffee and sing bad kerioke late at night when I gotta wake my ass up at 2:30am on weekends.
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Okay, but what if I choose to horde. And horde. And horde until all 100 trillion is mine? Or let say I save 1 trillion.. so that only means 99 trillion is to be redistributed and the entire population now gets a cut less each month because I have 1% of all existing money already? Would I, who saved one trillion, still get the UBI at the same rate as everyone else?
Does money saved end up getting recycled back each month regardless if you have used it, therefore preventing such savings? Sounds very... Rape culture
If it's free then it's not truly fair. What would be the motive to work? What would get accomplished? YOU might think you'd work but you would quickly realize, what's the point, my shit still gets stolen from ppl who didn't want to do the work. Then the police officer would be like, why should I help you, we make the same amount of money and all you do is serve coffee and sing bad kerioke late at night when I gotta wake my ass up at 2:30am on weekends.
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thx for your reply.

the 3rd part the last 33.3 trillions are meant for the hording race. that s what was meant with the free market capitalist competition.

So in the above scheme, 1/3rd of all the money will be up for grabs and hoarding. you would keep that part as it is now, increasing it from month to month as long as you provide better value through free market than others do ( as the likes of amazon etc do it now)

in comparison with these 33.3 trillion that would get shared among the competitive ones, the UBI that everyone gets which would be 416$ per month would be tiny amount in comparison.

so you would still have the incentive structure of capitalism intact. those choosing to live on UBi would just afford the basics of lives.

the luxuries, the villas the yachts etc will still be competed among those who will succesfully compete for shares from the 3rd portion
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what such system would get rid of is the current aberation of billions living without the basics of life while others 'own' pretty much everything.
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the only fair money is no-money

'World without money'
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Eventually in a full post-scarcity society there won t be money in the current sense. The above would give a better transition to such a state than the cureent system though.
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I like the idea of better, yes... But that seems so hard to initiate into from what we are in now.
So what happens when the third portion meant for hording and capitalistic gains gets entirely horded up; reset?
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the only fair money is no-money

'World without money'
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Eventually in a full post-scarcity society there won t be money in the current sense. The above would give a better transition to such a state than the cureent system though.
 Quoting: VenusRose



We're still going to have to do something to get something and I don't want to have to grow my own bread, that's for sure(baking it from organic flour w/added proteins etc is a different story).

It's ridiculous how much planting and tending to get a tiny amount of seed to grind etc. Not even enough for 1 loaf of bread!

Money really isn't the problem and bartering really isn't the answer

The problem/answer is can we live without being cutthroat greedy? I do mean "can we". Are we even capable? Idk
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Hoarding is the currentbl flaw.theres buildings all over earth stacked with dollars on pallets.dirty money.this money is not flowing in the system as purchases or investments.its dead money not earning the gov taxes.
Theres only two current ways to kill dirty money.inflation or replacement and retirement of old currency to a new currency that forces the old money back into the system.
Theres billions hoarded.pallets stacked to the ceings with 100$ bills.some of these rooms and cargo contsiners of cash are on the boarder waiting to be smuggled inland and laundered.
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I like the idea of better, yes... But that seems so hard to initiate into from what we are in now.
So what happens when the third portion meant for hording and capitalistic gains gets entirely horded up; reset?
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think of it like this. each portion can be thought as a different pie.

the 3rd portion is the pie that will always be fully distributed in slices to private entities, both corporations and individuals.
those who want a bigger slice of that pie will have to compete with the others who have other slices through what they offer on the market. it's the same as capitalism works now.
just that the pie will always have a fixed size, there won't be extra printed money that can increase one's share of the pie. it has to be won by competing with others.

so the extreme case would be to imagine one entity would end up owning the entire 3rd pie. That would be like a sole mega-corporation that would eat up all other corporations.

They would still have to pay some wages though, so some of the money of the 3rd pie would still reach the pockets of some individuals.
Also for that mega-corporation to have control of 100% of 3rd pie, they would need to be the one that sells all the goods and services in each month in exchanges for the money of the 1st and 2nd pies. So at the end of a month they would need to own all 100 trillions in existence. Then the system would tax them to get the 66% back that make up the 1st and 2nd pie. And then the process will start over again.

i don't think that's realistically possible though. But even if it is that sole mega-corporation would own at max 33% of the total money.

hope the above makes sense to you
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the only fair money is no-money

'World without money'
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Eventually in a full post-scarcity society there won t be money in the current sense. The above would give a better transition to such a state than the cureent system though.
 Quoting: VenusRose



We're still going to have to do something to get something and I don't want to have to grow my own bread, that's for sure(baking it from organic flour w/added proteins etc is a different story).

It's ridiculous how much planting and tending to get a tiny amount of seed to grind etc. Not even enough for 1 loaf of bread!

Money really isn't the problem and bartering really isn't the answer

The problem/answer is can we live without being cutthroat greedy? I do mean "can we". Are we even capable? Idk
 Quoting: NicOleander


a part of humanity always lived without being cutthroat greedy, that s a fact. :)

money isn't the problem in itself, they are just supposed to be a tool to distribute things in society.

just that current tool is made such that it is only in advantage of a few, the 1% that owns 99% of wealth. This is far from being fair in respect to any standard of fairness, it's the total opposite.

what i'm saying is that it's is quite simple in theory to devise a tool (money) which is much more fair than what we have now
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Hoarding is the currentbl flaw.theres buildings all over earth stacked with dollars on pallets.dirty money.this money is not flowing in the system as purchases or investments.its dead money not earning the gov taxes.
Theres only two current ways to kill dirty money.inflation or replacement and retirement of old currency to a new currency that forces the old money back into the system.
Theres billions hoarded.pallets stacked to the ceings with 100$ bills.some of these rooms and cargo contsiners of cash are on the boarder waiting to be smuggled inland and laundered.
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with current system, both of these solution will lead to the same place eventually.

anyway, there was a guy who saw the same problem as you and offered a novel solution to it, more than 100 years ago. Silvio Gesell, maybe you're familiar with him.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

in short his solution was to use money that have expiration date, and lose value in time as long as they're not used
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the only fair money is no-money

'World without money'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82895253


Eventually in a full post-scarcity society there won t be money in the current sense. The above would give a better transition to such a state than the cureent system though.
 Quoting: VenusRose



We're still going to have to do something to get something and I don't want to have to grow my own bread, that's for sure(baking it from organic flour w/added proteins etc is a different story).

It's ridiculous how much planting and tending to get a tiny amount of seed to grind etc. Not even enough for 1 loaf of bread!

Money really isn't the problem and bartering really isn't the answer

The problem/answer is can we live without being cutthroat greedy? I do mean "can we". Are we even capable? Idk
 Quoting: NicOleander


a part of humanity always lived without being cutthroat greedy, that s a fact. :)

money isn't the problem in itself, they are just supposed to be a tool to distribute things in society.

just that current tool is made such that it is only in advantage of a few, the 1% that owns 99% of wealth. This is far from being fair in respect to any standard of fairness, it's the total opposite.

what i'm saying is that it's is quite simple in theory to devise a tool (money) which is much more fair than what we have now
 Quoting: VenusRose


That's nice to think about :), which part of humanity is that, like Golden Age times or ?

True, very good :)

And I certainly didn't mean to downplay all of the work that you did, so I want to be sure to say, very impressive

hf
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Eventually in a full post-scarcity society there won t be money in the current sense. The above would give a better transition to such a state than the cureent system though.
 Quoting: VenusRose



We're still going to have to do something to get something and I don't want to have to grow my own bread, that's for sure(baking it from organic flour w/added proteins etc is a different story).

It's ridiculous how much planting and tending to get a tiny amount of seed to grind etc. Not even enough for 1 loaf of bread!

Money really isn't the problem and bartering really isn't the answer

The problem/answer is can we live without being cutthroat greedy? I do mean "can we". Are we even capable? Idk
 Quoting: NicOleander


a part of humanity always lived without being cutthroat greedy, that s a fact. :)

money isn't the problem in itself, they are just supposed to be a tool to distribute things in society.

just that current tool is made such that it is only in advantage of a few, the 1% that owns 99% of wealth. This is far from being fair in respect to any standard of fairness, it's the total opposite.

what i'm saying is that it's is quite simple in theory to devise a tool (money) which is much more fair than what we have now
 Quoting: VenusRose


That's nice to think about :), which part of humanity is that, like Golden Age times or ?

True, very good :)

And I certainly didn't mean to downplay all of the work that you did, so I want to be sure to say, very impressive

hf
 Quoting: NicOleander


one example: during neolithic times in europe people lived in absolute peace. for a period of like 3000 years there were no weapons, fences nor any skeleton found to have died of violent death. also same house was inhabited for that entire period. it ended when the iron age hordes came from the asian steppes. so yea probably closer to golden age.

good people always existed though, even if now the world is run by the bad kind :)
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Hoarding is the currentbl flaw.theres buildings all over earth stacked with dollars on pallets.dirty money.this money is not flowing in the system as purchases or investments.its dead money not earning the gov taxes.
Theres only two current ways to kill dirty money.inflation or replacement and retirement of old currency to a new currency that forces the old money back into the system.
Theres billions hoarded.pallets stacked to the ceings with 100$ bills.some of these rooms and cargo contsiners of cash are on the boarder waiting to be smuggled inland and laundered.
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expiration dates on the currency. Already in play. search 'the yuan expiration date'
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what such system would get rid of is the current aberation of billions living without the basics of life while others 'own' pretty much everything.
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Free market money - gold, silver, crypto
Free markets
Free competition(monopolies outlawed)
Free trade

It has been proven time and again throughout history that all can prosper under such a system through self interest and hard work.
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Your analysis is mostly correct I think. The illusion is that debt is paid off with productivity, that's what makes it 'valuable' but the reality is, it's never paid off it is rolled with more debt. That is they create new debt to pay off the interest of old debts but never the principle.

The next thing to notice about our current system is that all these debts are irredeemable in terms of the unit of account, at base the dollar. The future value formula explains:

FV = PV(1 + i)^t
Where
FV = future value
PV = present value
i = interest
t = term or time of the instrument.

The thing to notice about this equation is that it is fundamental to all accounting formulas created AND the 'value' of the present value (PV) is assumed constant over the term of the instrument.

Before, when we had sound money, gold was the unit of account. PV and therefore FV were all related to a number of ounces of gold bullion. But now, the dollar serves as that unit of account. And since they inflate the money supply with nonsecured debt, the standard unit of account is nevera constant, it continually changes.

So, there's no way to evaluate the future value of any instrument other than a finite difference numerical approach which is far too complicated for normal everyday transactions.

Basically it means the entire monetary system is a fraud, lies, as we are all beginning to realize and that gold and silver are the only real forms of money which is evident in that they have no counter-party risk.

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what such system would get rid of is the current aberation of billions living without the basics of life while others 'own' pretty much everything.
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It's the kind of 'Great reset' I could get behind and support ye

Pity the one they have in mind is a dystopian credit score system based on the CCP model.

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Convoluted garbage from someone that has no clue what they are talking about and even less an understanding of reality
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the only fair money is no-money

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I'm putting this up for feedback. It's written at first hand.

The way current money works is fundamentally flawed. They are created out of thin air aka inflation, and with their creation a correlated debt is also instituted.

Let’s exemplify. U.S. government needs 1 trillion $, so the FED creates 1 trillion $ of never existing before fresh money, and it also emits bonds of that value that the U.S. government promises to pay back. But who should they really pay back for that trillion?
Let’s say total money supply is 100 trillion when this new 1 trillion is created and credited to the government. Before it’s creation, the existing supply of 100 trillions was distributed among the various entities such as private individuals, corporations and so on. An entity who owned say 1 trillion $, had an 1% share of the money supply or of purchasing power. Once the new 1 trillion is created, the share of money that entity owns gets diluted by 1%, so now it roughly owns only 0.99% share of the money supply. And this dilution of the share of money owned applies to everyone. So that new trillion created is actually created from the sum total of the shares of money supply lost by all entities. Basically, without me knowing, the money i hold in my pocket now have less value, because they represent a smaller share of the money supply, because some new money were created and increased the money supply, while the nominal amount of money i have in my pocket remained the same in number, but diminished in %.

This is how inflation works. Prices increase because the intrinsic value of a good remains unchanged, meaning it costs the same share of the total purchasing power as before, but as the total supply of money increases, that share of the total purchasing power means more in nominal amount of money. At the same time, i remain with the same nominal amount of money, therefore my share of the purchasing power decreases, so i can buy less with the same amount of money.

Now let’s imagine a different system of money. Let’s say we have a fixed amount of money, for example 100 trillion. No new money can be created and no money can be destroyed. Let’s also assume these money are smart, meaning that whatever rules we set for how they get distributed, those rules will be automatically enacted.

Let’s set the following rules. The money is divided into 3 equal parts, each of 33.3 trillion.
1st part is to be distributed monthly as UBI.
2nd part is to be distributed monthly for public spending
3rd part is to be distributed continuously according to the principles of free market (i.e. how current money works)

At a population of 8 billion this would mean that each month the system will redistribute 416$ to each individual on the planet as UBI. The incentive is such that all these 33.3 trillion will be spent on the free market by the end of each month.

The 2nd portion effectively represents taxation. These 33.3 trillion will go to government accounts for public spending every month. The specific taxation scheme can be any of the usual ones, fixed, progressive etc. As above, the incentive is such that all these 33.3 trillion will be spent on the free market by the end of each month.

The 3rd portion will be distributed and accumulated by the well known principles of free-market capitalist competition among the profit-seeking individuals and corporations. This is the portion the people who want to get rich will battle for. Their wealth will accumulate in time and we will still have the richest person on earth and so on.

What are the benefits of such a system?


- every person will have enough money every month to cover their living expenses, since everyone will own at least a fair fixed share of the total amount of money. The free-market will provide that that share is enough for basic necessities.
Governments will have money for public spending each month.
There will be NO public debt
There will be no inflation, the money you have will always represent the same share of the total money supply
There will be no need for institutions like IRS, since all taxation will be done directly on the money, or like FED.
Corporations won’t be able to become more powerful than states
The richest 1% won’t be able to own 99% of the wealth like now, but at most they’ll own 33% of it
Everyone will be free to seek their happiness
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Thanks for pining your own boring wall of text, OP.

Feel better now?
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Get haircuts and jobs, you hippies.
Everyone needs to contribute production or services if everyone is going to eat. Dreaming up free money schemes leads to swollen bellies with flies blowing your eyes.
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what such system would get rid of is the current aberation of billions living without the basics of life while others 'own' pretty much everything.
 Quoting: VenusRose


Free market money - gold, silver, crypto
Free markets
Free competition(monopolies outlawed)
Free trade

It has been proven time and again throughout history that all can prosper under such a system through self interest and hard work.
 Quoting: fiftybagger


what about when 90% of the people on the planet won't be needed as workforce since what they do, the robots will do better. you know we're almost there
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I'm putting this up for feedback. It's written at first hand.

The way current money works is fundamentally flawed. They are created out of thin air aka inflation, and with their creation a correlated debt is also instituted.

Let’s exemplify. U.S. government needs 1 trillion $, so the FED creates 1 trillion $ of never existing before fresh money, and it also emits bonds of that value that the U.S. government promises to pay back. But who should they really pay back for that trillion?
Let’s say total money supply is 100 trillion when this new 1 trillion is created and credited to the government. Before it’s creation, the existing supply of 100 trillions was distributed among the various entities such as private individuals, corporations and so on. An entity who owned say 1 trillion $, had an 1% share of the money supply or of purchasing power. Once the new 1 trillion is created, the share of money that entity owns gets diluted by 1%, so now it roughly owns only 0.99% share of the money supply. And this dilution of the share of money owned applies to everyone. So that new trillion created is actually created from the sum total of the shares of money supply lost by all entities. Basically, without me knowing, the money i hold in my pocket now have less value, because they represent a smaller share of the money supply, because some new money were created and increased the money supply, while the nominal amount of money i have in my pocket remained the same in number, but diminished in %.

This is how inflation works. Prices increase because the intrinsic value of a good remains unchanged, meaning it costs the same share of the total purchasing power as before, but as the total supply of money increases, that share of the total purchasing power means more in nominal amount of money. At the same time, i remain with the same nominal amount of money, therefore my share of the purchasing power decreases, so i can buy less with the same amount of money.

Now let’s imagine a different system of money. Let’s say we have a fixed amount of money, for example 100 trillion. No new money can be created and no money can be destroyed. Let’s also assume these money are smart, meaning that whatever rules we set for how they get distributed, those rules will be automatically enacted.

Let’s set the following rules. The money is divided into 3 equal parts, each of 33.3 trillion.
1st part is to be distributed monthly as UBI.
2nd part is to be distributed monthly for public spending
3rd part is to be distributed continuously according to the principles of free market (i.e. how current money works)

At a population of 8 billion this would mean that each month the system will redistribute 416$ to each individual on the planet as UBI. The incentive is such that all these 33.3 trillion will be spent on the free market by the end of each month.

The 2nd portion effectively represents taxation. These 33.3 trillion will go to government accounts for public spending every month. The specific taxation scheme can be any of the usual ones, fixed, progressive etc. As above, the incentive is such that all these 33.3 trillion will be spent on the free market by the end of each month.

The 3rd portion will be distributed and accumulated by the well known principles of free-market capitalist competition among the profit-seeking individuals and corporations. This is the portion the people who want to get rich will battle for. Their wealth will accumulate in time and we will still have the richest person on earth and so on.

What are the benefits of such a system?


- every person will have enough money every month to cover their living expenses, since everyone will own at least a fair fixed share of the total amount of money. The free-market will provide that that share is enough for basic necessities.
Governments will have money for public spending each month.
There will be NO public debt
There will be no inflation, the money you have will always represent the same share of the total money supply
There will be no need for institutions like IRS, since all taxation will be done directly on the money, or like FED.
Corporations won’t be able to become more powerful than states
The richest 1% won’t be able to own 99% of the wealth like now, but at most they’ll own 33% of it
Everyone will be free to seek their happiness
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The mainstreamers who have infested this site sense 2016 won’t like your thread. They don’t want understand, they think it’s red vs blue
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what such system would get rid of is the current aberation of billions living without the basics of life while others 'own' pretty much everything.
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It's the kind of 'Great reset' I could get behind and support ye

Pity the one they have in mind is a dystopian credit score system based on the CCP model.

muh freedom!
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what would you expect from those degenerates? :)

still we're at a point, for the first time in history, when one idea can reach almost everyone on the planet fast if propagated properly.

sure, it might not happen, but imagine 'the truth' put in a clear and synthetic form which would spread out to the 99% which are not part of the elite. and they would act on it
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The mainstreamers who have infested this site sense 2016 won’t like your thread. They don’t want understand, they think it’s red vs blue
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i know, i guess i wanted to check how many of us are still around here :)
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The mainstreamers who have infested this site sense 2016 won’t like your thread. They don’t want understand, they think it’s red vs blue
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i know, i guess i wanted to check how many of us are still around here :)
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You can tell your talking to slaves and paid trolls, as this thread is only 2 stars.
It’s should be solid five, everyone should agree on this
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The mainstreamers who have infested this site sense 2016 won’t like your thread. They don’t want understand, they think it’s red vs blue
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i know, i guess i wanted to check how many of us are still around here :)
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When Trump regains the thrown and puts us back on the gold standard then none of this matters. Just wait and see, the my pillow guy will usher in the return of Trump as foretold in the bible.
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Okay, but what if I choose to horde. And horde. And horde until all 100 trillion is mine? Or let say I save 1 trillion.. so that only means 99 trillion is to be redistributed and the entire population now gets a cut less each month because I have 1% of all existing money already? Would I, who saved one trillion, still get the UBI at the same rate as everyone else?
Does money saved end up getting recycled back each month regardless if you have used it, therefore preventing such savings? Sounds very... Rape culture
If it's free then it's not truly fair. What would be the motive to work? What would get accomplished? YOU might think you'd work but you would quickly realize, what's the point, my shit still gets stolen from ppl who didn't want to do the work. Then the police officer would be like, why should I help you, we make the same amount of money and all you do is serve coffee and sing bad kerioke late at night when I gotta wake my ass up at 2:30am on weekends.
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This guy gets it. Printing doesn’t cause inflation if it’s stuffed under a mattress. It’s has to be circulated ie velocity of money. Michael Burry sounded this alarm not long ago.





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