Happy Hobbit Day Everyone!

Lol! That was awesome! I’m sending it straight to my bff!

Ever notice Frodo's similarity to the scapegoat in the Old Testament?

But Tolkien added a twist...

Please elaborate! :)

Gay..why is this pinned?

For your enjoyment!

Lol! You’re a grouchy squidbilly!!!

The twist being, he was allowed onto a ship into the west?

What's really cool about hobbits, is that Tolkien based them on himself, in most everything but size! Like hobbits, Tolkien loved a pint of beer, a pipe of tobacco, and good food, and was distrustful of modern technology.

I think he (she?) means the general idea of a scapegoat in the Old Testament; one "goat" sent into the wilderness for some purpose, while another is sacrificed (Gollum).

Very nice! You seem cool! Maybe you’re a bit hobbit like yourself!

If anyone has ever written on this subject, I haven't seen it. So here you go, a GLP first...

In the scapegoat story there are 2 goats: one cast into the wilderness to perish, and one that stays in the temple.

The fates of Frodo and Gollum are inextricably bound, and so together they represent one scapegoat. Bilbo is the other goat, the one receives the favorable lot.

Like Lev 16, the priest casts upon the head of the scapegoat (around Frodo's neck) the sin of the nation (the Ring), and then a designated man (Aragorn) brings the scapegoat (Frodo with Gollum) into the wilderness (toward Mordor) to a high cliff (Mt. Doom) to perish. But in a scapegoat twist provided by Tolkien, it is Gollum that perishes with the sin, not Frodo.

Technically in Lev. 16 it didn't explain the scapegoat's death, so there is room for Tolkien's twist.

Meanwhile, Bilbo is the goat who received the favorable lot to enter the temple/mountain of treasure guarded by the dragon, and later (Lord of the Rings) Bilbo stays in Rivendell while Frodo goes into the wilderness.

In interviews, Tolkien highlighted that his dwarves were similar to J-ws. The dragon in Bilbo's story (the Hobbit) represents Satan.

Frodo has a sacrifice and redemption theme. Frodo goes to sacrifice his own life as an offering, in order to stop the incessant killings from Mordor. How does Frodo's choice to sacrifice his life create anything other than death? The answer may be that life and death are made from the same foundational substance: probability. Remember the casting of lots. Miraculously, the Lord saves even a portion of the scapegoat!

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Yes, I got that but I was just saying he didn’t stay in the wilderness, he went to Valinor, The blessed realm. In my humble opinion… Heaven. So to speak.

Oh, there is some of that in me! I like beer and food, and simple things, and am, like Tolkien and hobbits, somewhat distrustful of technology; for instance, it is 2022, and I have never owned a cell phone! Need my computer though for entertainment, since I will not have a TV in my house. It's almost literally a demonic portal.

Smoked a pipe for years, but got lazy and reverted to cigarettes...

That is not at all what I was thinking! It’s really beautiful and interesting though.
Cheers to yours deep thoughts! :

$1 hotdogs at Sonic in celebration.

Well my phone is certainly acting up the last couple of days, hmmmm.

Huh, that looks like me in my backyard signaling my displeasure to the cameras new neighbors set up pointing in my direction . I guess I'm part hobbit and never knew it !

Lol!!! I’m in with extra relish!

Well I have to get back to work, I’ll check back later, you happy peeps!

And me!

Cheers my friend!!!!!
Happy Birthday! I think we were blessed by being born on this day!

Last Edited by Fossy on 09/22/2022 10:49 AM

I actually just finished watching all 6 movies again this week
Wanted a full refresh before I start rings of power.

You do seem qualified to analyze LOTR! Yes, as I'm sure you know, Valinor IS Heaven, and Tolkien based his mythology on Roman Catholic ideas. Morgoth in The Silmarillion is Lucifer, or Satan, and Sauron was his second-in-command who became the Satan of a later age. The Valar are archangels, the Maiar, such as Gandalf and Saruman are lesser angels. I'm sure you knew all that...

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