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Evolution was the first "Trust the Science" scam.

 
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i have read the origin of species and it's not really controversial. origin of species, not the origin of life.
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you are smarter than the average bear
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Evolution is a theory with no starting point.
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The US Bill of Rights correctly acknowledges each individual's personal autonomy as a GOD-given right.
Each person IS free.
You don't need a government to state you are free - you ARE free.
It's just that people don't understand this anymore and have allowed themselves to believe they require and need the government to grant them permission to do whatever. They have exchanged GOD given freedom with government permitted actions.

No.
That is not life. That is not how and why we were created.

And that is why the evolutionary theory was so important to push for the last 150 years. It makes humanity a non-entity. Basically claiming that YOU are the result of millions of years of accidents and happenstance and your life has ZERO importance.
TPTB pushed this (evolution) hard because once you get people to believe there is no GOD, then they have no GOD-given rights and the government becomes the be-all and end-all.

Evolution was the first "trust the science" scam. Evolution is actually anti-scientific.
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Using religion or GOD to deny science is profound bullshit.
Just don't make anything up.
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The US Bill of Rights correctly acknowledges each individual's personal autonomy as a GOD-given right.
Each person IS free.
You don't need a government to state you are free - you ARE free.
It's just that people don't understand this anymore and have allowed themselves to believe they require and need the government to grant them permission to do whatever. They have exchanged GOD given freedom with government permitted actions.

No.
That is not life. That is not how and why we were created.

And that is why the evolutionary theory was so important to push for the last 150 years. It makes humanity a non-entity. Basically claiming that YOU are the result of millions of years of accidents and happenstance and your life has ZERO importance.
TPTB pushed this (evolution) hard because once you get people to believe there is no GOD, then they have no GOD-given rights and the government becomes the be-all and end-all.

Evolution was the first "trust the science" scam. Evolution is actually anti-scientific.
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Using religion or GOD to deny science is profound bullshit.
 Quoting: dogman17


You obviously have extremely deficient reading skills. Evolution is junk science like the clot shots are junk vaccines.
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The recapitulation theory..

Ontology recapitulates phylogeny..

And I thought “I am paying for this tripe?”
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well that is not taught except as a part of the history of science, you know, the science *evolves*, it is self- correcting, which is one difference between science and religion.
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Actually it was the Copernican Revolution.

Before that, You were more than an individual that was created by God. You were an individual created by God placed on Planet Earth, which was the CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE.

Yes...you were so important the entire Universe revolved around you.

Then Copernicus moved you to a small planet, revolving around a medium sized sun, which was one of billions of suns.

That philosophical change in the status of man directly started the scientific revolution that led to and allowed Evolution.
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hear hear

hesright
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Evolution demands that the second law of thermodynamics be ignored.
It also demands that mutations be beneficial,
which science has proven is not the case.
Real science proves evolution is false.

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It is PREPOSTEROUS, and the ONLY reason it
is proposed is that THE TRUTH, is UNACCEPTABLE
to the lost souls.

Therefore, as the Bible says,
THEY BECAME FOOLS.
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better than the 'trust the religion' scam.


trust logic. trust good things, pleasant experiences, suffering bad. pleasure good.
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evolution is a religion.
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No. A good portion of Darwin’s original hypothesis has been rejected….by science. However his basic claim of diversity of life via adaptation and genetic changes has been repeatedly been demonstrated. Now tell me when blantenly false claims in the Bible have been deleted? You can’t. That’s the difference between science and religion. Science is not trying to prove anything except to understand the natural universe around us and why things happen. If that conflicts with your magic man claims…that’s your problem. Oddly you enjoy science. You are on the internet, science. Powered by electricity via a power grid that generated it via complex multiple sciences. Drive a car or ride in a plane? Multiple hard science did that. Get sick? Go to a doctor? Darn science again. Check the weather for a up coming trip? Let’s see…science via satellites taking photos and tracking changing conditions! Darn science again. Evolution is the current accepted theory on the diversity of life. Oddly, if tomorrow it was found to be totally wrong…that doesn’t prove anything about a god. Further, science will discover if evolution is wrong not god claims.
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We are not talking about rejecting science; we are concerned about the ongoing corruption of scientific knowledge by ideolgues for corporate gain and societal manipulation. As you display; evolution has become an ideological concept that people will stick to no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Evolution as espoused by the corporate led scientific establishment in our educational institutions and media networks IS NOT TENABLE. It’s not science anymore; its a philosophy; an ideology; a cult. And is used to perform all kinds of horrors and excuses by eliminating fundamental concepts that

a) there is no higher purpose or judgement to existence other than physical matter and

b) that all relationships are based on dominance and we can do as we wish to species less equipped than us

Evolution is essentially a socio-pathic ideology or at least has been used to excuse it. Imagine looking at your son/daughter and thinking; its just a conglomeration of genetic cells controlled by stimulant chemicals. Psychopathic.
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ok, when we say the Science evolves, there is a certain difference to the natural evolution, the evolution of science is "teleological", goal oriented, it "advances" ... most scientist wouldn't say the natural evolution has a direction or that the Man is the Goal of evolution ...

although there are opposing views also, but they are outsider science...

like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and Terence McKenna
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better than the 'trust the religion' scam.


trust logic. trust good things, pleasant experiences, suffering bad. pleasure good.
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evolution is a religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50271884


No. A good portion of Darwin’s original hypothesis has been rejected….by science. However his basic claim of diversity of life via adaptation and genetic changes has been repeatedly been demonstrated. Now tell me when blantenly false claims in the Bible have been deleted? You can’t. That’s the difference between science and religion. Science is not trying to prove anything except to understand the natural universe around us and why things happen. If that conflicts with your magic man claims…that’s your problem. Oddly you enjoy science. You are on the internet, science. Powered by electricity via a power grid that generated it via complex multiple sciences. Drive a car or ride in a plane? Multiple hard science did that. Get sick? Go to a doctor? Darn science again. Check the weather for a up coming trip? Let’s see…science via satellites taking photos and tracking changing conditions! Darn science again. Evolution is the current accepted theory on the diversity of life. Oddly, if tomorrow it was found to be totally wrong…that doesn’t prove anything about a god. Further, science will discover if evolution is wrong not god claims.
 Quoting: Centex7


We are not talking about rejecting science; we are concerned about the ongoing corruption of scientific knowledge by ideolgues for corporate gain and societal manipulation. As you display; evolution has become an ideological concept that people will stick to no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Evolution as espoused by the corporate led scientific establishment in our educational institutions and media networks IS NOT TENABLE. It’s not science anymore; its a philosophy; an ideology; a cult. And is used to perform all kinds of horrors and excuses by eliminating fundamental concepts that

a) there is no higher purpose or judgement to existence other than physical matter and

b) that all relationships are based on dominance and we can do as we wish to species less equipped than us

Evolution is essentially a socio-pathic ideology or at least has been used to excuse it. Imagine looking at your son/daughter and thinking; its just a conglomeration of genetic cells controlled by stimulant chemicals. Psychopathic.
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better than the 'trust the religion' scam.


trust logic. trust good things, pleasant experiences, suffering bad. pleasure good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80963621


evolution is a religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50271884


No. A good portion of Darwin’s original hypothesis has been rejected….by science. However his basic claim of diversity of life via adaptation and genetic changes has been repeatedly been demonstrated. Now tell me when blantenly false claims in the Bible have been deleted? You can’t. That’s the difference between science and religion. Science is not trying to prove anything except to understand the natural universe around us and why things happen. If that conflicts with your magic man claims…that’s your problem. Oddly you enjoy science. You are on the internet, science. Powered by electricity via a power grid that generated it via complex multiple sciences. Drive a car or ride in a plane? Multiple hard science did that. Get sick? Go to a doctor? Darn science again. Check the weather for a up coming trip? Let’s see…science via satellites taking photos and tracking changing conditions! Darn science again. Evolution is the current accepted theory on the diversity of life. Oddly, if tomorrow it was found to be totally wrong…that doesn’t prove anything about a god. Further, science will discover if evolution is wrong not god claims.
 Quoting: Centex7


We are not talking about rejecting science; we are concerned about the ongoing corruption of scientific knowledge by ideolgues for corporate gain and societal manipulation. As you display; evolution has become an ideological concept that people will stick to no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Evolution as espoused by the corporate led scientific establishment in our educational institutions and media networks IS NOT TENABLE. It’s not science anymore; its a philosophy; an ideology; a cult. And is used to perform all kinds of horrors and excuses by eliminating fundamental concepts that

a) there is no higher purpose or judgement to existence other than physical matter and

b) that all relationships are based on dominance and we can do as we wish to species less equipped than us

Evolution is essentially a socio-pathic ideology or at least has been used to excuse it. Imagine looking at your son/daughter and thinking; its just a conglomeration of genetic cells controlled by stimulant chemicals. Psychopathic. And psychopathy is a state psychotic delusional.
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The US Bill of Rights correctly acknowledges each individual's personal autonomy as a GOD-given right.
Each person IS free.
You don't need a government to state you are free - you ARE free.
It's just that people don't understand this anymore and have allowed themselves to believe they require and need the government to grant them permission to do whatever. They have exchanged GOD given freedom with government permitted actions.

No.
That is not life. That is not how and why we were created.

And that is why the evolutionary theory was so important to push for the last 150 years. It makes humanity a non-entity. Basically claiming that YOU are the result of millions of years of accidents and happenstance and your life has ZERO importance.
TPTB pushed this (evolution) hard because once you get people to believe there is no GOD, then they have no GOD-given rights and the government becomes the be-all and end-all.

Evolution was the first "trust the science" scam. Evolution is actually anti-scientific.
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hesright

"Evolution" is a religious cult.
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I wouldn't call evolution a theory, it's an observed fact ... Darwin both noticed the evolution and gave a theory, an explanation for it.

In a way it's not even clear if the Darwinian theory of evolution is a theory or is it a self evident tautology ... an person who has never heard about evolution, given he/she is intelligent enough, when it's explained to him/her, he or she realizes in a very short time that it's a self evident truth, it's gotta be that way. That's the way it happened to me when I was a little kid.

And indeed there was an important philosopher sir Karl Popper, who maintained that the Evolution is not literally a scientific theory, because you can not falsify it, and that's because it's a self evident logical tautology it just has to be true.

the survival of the fittest, they get the most descendants because they are the fittest ...
how are are they the fittest? because they get most progenitors ... add variation and voila!
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He's right you know.
Dog breeds are selective breeding not evolution of new species.
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It's a strong indicator that if taken further that eventually they will split into separate species.

Science asks questions and attempts to find the best verifiable answer.

So, in in many millions of years we will be able to look back at this question and answer within a reasonable degree.



That dog isn't going to magically Morph into something else. It will always be a dog.
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shit i mixed descendant and progenitor above, the words that is
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Yes, the idea that humans evolved from any other life form is bullshit, but the first "trust the science" scam was the ridiculously fallacious idea that Earth is a spinning ball hurtling through "space"
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Something like 90% of dog breeds didn't exist only 100 years ago. Yet look at how specialized they all are now. Yet here you are unable to recognize that selection pressure can drive meaningful physiological and anatomical adaptations.

This is almost as dumb as the flat earth thread.
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Conscious humans using adaptations to fine tune a species of dog bares no relation to nature accidentally producing 10 million species of beings with highly refined senses and phsyiological abilities. Unless of course nature is conscious.

The current neo-darwinist evolution theory is not tenable due to these factors:

• Acquired physical traits are NOT passed down, only genes are passed down, to subsequent generations. Disproving Darwins notion that acquired traits accumulated over subsequent generations and generated different living species. There were no inheritable variations for natural selection to choose from. They re-wrote the theory to include Mutation.
• Mutation. Mutations do not add genetic information for species to ‘mutate’ into different kinds of species.
• The fossil record shows all forms of life, many of which currently exist, coming into existence almost simultaneously in the Cambrian Explosion, this is contrary evidence to a slow mutating naturally selective tree of transforming species.
• Abiogenesis has not been seen to possible for 170 years and counting.
• Minimal Gene Set concept. Evolutionists needed a beginning from 0 gene but you cannot get down to below 397 gene sets to create a functional cell. That is the minimal gene set for a living cell.
• Dembski’s 1995 Complex Specified Information theorem (CSi) shows that it is impossible for the complex genome of biological cells to have been formed by horizontal causation and a vertical cauaslity Or intelligent design Or a structure to follow, would have to be integrated into the calculation for it ever to be realised in physical nature.
• Plants and insects have symbiotic interdependent relationship for survival. In some cases this would not be able to form overtime but quite rapidly in order for the both life forms to have survived.

The OP is correct but I would suggest the false heliocentrism and associated pseudo-astrophysics led the way to the modern delusional materialistic mammon mindset of egotistical madness and scientific corruption.
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I may be just a globetard but no where in your reply do you refute the fact that selection pressure drives adaptation. Given enough time, species will evolve to fill a niche.

Example: humans evolved to have dark skin to shut down melanin production at central latitudes while humans at higher latitudes evolved to more effectively capture vitamin D. Selection pressure at these higher latitudes led to more intelligent humans than the ones on the equator. Some even argue we are no longer the same species.

The plasticity of genes and selection pressure both can drive meaningful adaptations to the point of new species. To say otherwise is ignorant, no matter how many big words you use to fight it.
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I wouldn't call evolution a theory, it's an observed fact ... Darwin both noticed the evolution and gave a theory, an explanation for it.

In a way it's not even clear if the Darwinian theory of evolution is a theory or is it a self evident tautology ... an person who has never heard about evolution, given he/she is intelligent enough, when it's explained to him/her, he or she realizes in a very short time that it's a self evident truth, it's gotta be that way. That's the way it happened to me when I was a little kid.

And indeed there was an important philosopher sir Karl Popper, who maintained that the Evolution is not literally a scientific theory, because you can not falsify it, and that's because it's a self evident logical tautology it just has to be true.

the survival of the fittest, they get the most descendants because they are the fittest ...
how are are they the fittest? because they get most progenitors ... add variation and voila!
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I'm pretty sure this thread is filled with the religious equivalent of flat earthers. Probably best not to rile them up with intelligent discussion.
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Actually it was the Copernican Revolution.

Before that, You were more than an individual that was created by God. You were an individual created by God placed on Planet Earth, which was the CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE.

Yes...you were so important the entire Universe revolved around you.

Then Copernicus moved you to a small planet, revolving around a medium sized sun, which was one of billions of suns.

That philosophical change in the status of man directly started the scientific revolution that led to and allowed Evolution.
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Wow.
What a stupid analogy.
It totally ignores the fact that evolution is not scientific at all. There is absolutely zero scientific basis that a chicken evolved from a dinosaur.
If it really is "survival of the fittest" - why a chicken over a dinosaur?

Never mind the internal soft organ variances from animal to animal - evolutionists refuse to discuss this because they can't.
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That is not an analogy in any way shape or form. You shouldn't use words that you don't understand.

And you also don't understand science. Darwin clearly followed the 'scientific method' to come up wiht his theory.

There is absolutely zero scientific basis that a chicken evolved from a dinosaur.

That's way it is called the 'Theory' of evolution, and not the 'Law' of evolutions.

You are really in over your head, Can of Duh.
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i have read the origin of species and it's not really controversial. origin of species, not the origin of life.
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I've read it as well.
Did you know Darwin was paid to come up with a theory to explain the existence of life without GOD, and so he came up with evolution.

When you have an end agenda before you even start - that goes against all scientific protocol. But hey, mutations are never beneficial for any animal, and yet evolution demands such EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Yeah, it's bullshit.
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Darwin was queeer. Sent away by his eugenics family. And his theory is a) unproven B) incorrect.
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• Mutation. Mutations do not add genetic information for species to ‘mutate’ into different kinds of species.

Example: humans evolved to have dark skin to shut down melanin production at central latitudes while humans at higher latitudes evolved to more effectively capture vitamin D. Selection pressure at these higher latitudes led to more intelligent humans than the ones on the equator. Some even argue we are no longer the same species.

The plasticity of genes and selection pressure both can drive meaningful adaptations to the point of new species. To say otherwise is ignorant, no matter how many big words you use to fight it.
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If I go and live above 2000 meters vessels will develop in my tongue and mouth to allow my body to absorb greater quantities of air; this is an adaptation to an environment; it’s not mutation into an alternative species.

And these are not big words, they’re honest science by a multitude of esteemed Scientists over the years who have quite adamantly refuted the modern claims of neo-darwinist evolution. Why? Because it’s based on nonsense and miscontrues simple observations to warp peoples understanding of biology into this godless psychopathic nonsense; that has done so much damage..

“A scientific hypothesis should be potentially falsifiable. However the idea of slow evolution by infintessimally small variations has been falsified by the findings of paleontology…as well as genetics. Yet it’s adherents principally reject any scientific proof against neo-darwinism, so that, in fact their theory has become a non-falsifiable worldview, to which people stick to in spite of all comtrary evidence” Dr. Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig
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Can anyone actually define evolution? Good luck!
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SPACE & ALIENS IS THE SECOND SCAM.
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The Theory of Evolution, despite it's flaws, is still far more believable and undoubtedly closer to the truth than the magical sky-daddy storybook you insist on pushing on everyone around you.
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Flat Earthers UNITE!
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Yes

The globe earth was the first trust the science

Done by the
Catholic Church

Nice going
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We can see progression of some species on fossil record

There are often gaps where we don't know how the jump occurred

Like with man there is homoerectus then Neanderthals finally us ... much more to that story and actually Neanderthals are only ancestors to a small extent

This is all explained by evolution

It's a useful theory altho there are things not understood

Cambrian explosion a big one

Do you not believe these fossils are real?

It's an attempt to understand ..
Theories are usually imperfect no exception here
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The Theory of Evolution, despite it's flaws, is still far more believable and undoubtedly closer to the truth than the magical sky-daddy storybook you insist on pushing on everyone around you.
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If a theory isn't susceptible to tests which might falsify it

It conveys no useful information

Such is kind of the case with sky daddy

OK any daddy created everything ... and us

How could you disprove that?
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SPACE & ALIENS IS THE SECOND SCAM.
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Aliens are demons that occupy our space

Because we let them

Yes it is our fault

However

Space is defined as

THE TRUTH

that is

JESUS CHRIST

absolute and perfect

The author of life everlasting

Accept JESUS CHRIST

And the space you occupy change’s

Into absolute perfection

Where demons and demon whoreshipping democrats can exist
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Religious ppl usually do t understand what a scientific theory is what it's purpose is

In fact I think this is a main factor distinguishing those more susceptible to brainwashing with thing like flat earth theory or the heavens gate cult

They don't understand what a theory of reality or part of it IS
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The Theory of Evolution, despite it's flaws, is still far more believable and undoubtedly closer to the truth than the magical sky-daddy storybook you insist on pushing on everyone around you.
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It’s not closer to the truth though; it’s nowhere near the truth that’s the point; it’s an obfuscation of the truth to lead society down a dark path of biological determinism (led by corporations) and destroy the integrity of proper Science. Literally modern people will actually believe anything now; oook at the covid nonsense

And if you think the ancients believed in a magical sky-daddy storybook; you have no understanding of religion and a total disrespect for your human ancestors.

It’s interesting that people who side with evolution theory tend to always have this disrespect.
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Okay it's pretty simple to shut down the people preaching evolution. If you truly believe in evolution then you truly believe that some human beings are superior to other human beings.





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