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Hello.

This is the thread in which I'd like to occasionally post musings regarding Christian theology which is based on the Bible.

It is a fundamentalism approach so probably won't be too popular. It could be worth examine the basis for a fundamentalism approach too.

However, that is not theology. I do not agree that the text itself can "self-validate" for this purpose. Nor do I believe that this is the correct way to approach it.

To reason from fundamentals is the basis of "rationality). In the theology this is an intellectual endeavor. Such things are not demanded inherently for the gift of grace.

It is written that faith comes from hearing the Word (Scripture) and that by faith we are given grace (not by works to earn it) which regenerates our nature to become born of God such that our works then bear the fruits of God.

This reveals that the reasonableness of the faith is irrelevant. However for my own contemplation I seek to understand the theological foundation.

The argument for fundamentalism is simple. It can last. It can endure time. The argument FOR a foundation and the argument for what that foundation IS are different conversations.

I am not much curious about the argument FOR a foundation. To me it is just obvious that there is a need for a foundation. If someone disagrees they are free to do so. I don't want to talk about. However if someone has a wise view about it I'm keeping my mind open to learning more about it. Otherwise if the goal is to persuade me it would save time for all to leave it alone.

Then the conversation for me is how should the Bible be the foundation, why, and which parts.

How? This question approaches interpretation methods and is crucial to the way I think about this theme.

Why? My reason is my choice. I don't feel like I should reveal it. It's my choice. Someone else might choose differently. I am not a proselytizer nor an apologist. In fact, at this moment, I don't quite feel such things are the correct approach to sharing the gospel in my case. I don't think I would do it well.

Which parts? This is also a question of where to start and how to proceed. It is related to the How.

So here is the crux. There are two essential methods to interpreting the text. Some suggest a third and I'll mention it, but I don't think I'll be referencing it later.

The foundational method is exegesis. This is using the text to interpret the text. It requires understanding the context to get the meaning.

The secondary method is eisegesis. It brings the readers own context to the text. It has the risk of making the reader blind to what is written there. For example, even a single word or negation can alter the interpretation of the later words, if misread. This can also make it confusing to understand.

So exegesis is the foundational method (primary method) because it maintains the faithfulness to the text itself prior to the readers own context. The goal is seeking relationship with God is cleansing and renewal of one's soul. It is unlikely that this soul is well enough on its own in the first place. So it's context isn't that important.

This doesn't demean the soul or its life story in any way. The emphasis is more on the grace that even a sinful context doesn't bar the reader from reaching to God.

Finally the other method mentioned is narcigesis. It is an important term I encountered in the internet which called out my tendency to make the bible all about myself, rather than God and his Son Jesus. The story is about Jesus. It isn't about me.

In those places where my eisegetical approach overwhelmed my exegetical faithfulness to the text, I would sometimes interpret the scripture "narcissistically" as if it's all about me. This is the meaning of what is called narcigesis. However keeping to the exegetical method protects from this. So that is the important one to remember.

This crux of Exegetical and Eisegetical is not possible to purify to "only exegetical" interpretation. A purely eisegetical interpretation is a waste of time. It is so irrational it doesn't even need a foundation and so the Scripture has no use for such a reader.

There is a part of reading that opens up the reader's own revelation. This is related to a prayer or similar to a deep spiritual communication with God. However, the impurities of the reader prevent the exegetical understanding (what God is actually saying) to form. In fact, it is risky to study the text to experience revelations without having any spiritual protection.

The Bible is a holy text. Read correctly, it can protect the soul from harmful spirits. Read improperly it may only result in exposing the reader's soul to dangerous influence they do not understand (because they've never kept the commandments of God and such are not prepared to witness their own depraved state upon exposure to the reality of what is Holy)

However it is because of the Mercy and Grace given by the Son of God Jesus Christ that anyone can even be saved by reading it. The reasoning is given in the Gospel of John.

In the Beginning is Christ. We begin with Christ. Christ is the source of mercy and grace for the reader who believes he is the Son of God.

(He is. It is not really up for debate. However for the inquiring mind similar to my own, just read the Bible. Yes, seriously, read it in whatever order you prefer, though work with the exegetical method and you'll get it. Nobody is too stupid to see it.)

This is why it is enough to believe Christ is Son of God and can save you from your sins. It is far more difficult to search it out with doubts but it can be done. Christ performed miracles (supernatural actions) to bolster faith. However he said it is better to believe without requiring "evidence".

This is an important point to understand because the scientific mind always wants evidence. However evidence is always requested within the parameters of the natural world and its laws. Then it seeks proof of supernatural actions within those constraints. This is incoherent. Supernatural actions operate above and beyond the naturalistic limits of scientific doubts.

The main reason it is better to believe Jesus Christ is Son of God is because you can get all the evidence you need (this is assuming you aren't lying to yourself and God about your intentions, which only fools you and doesn't fool God). It's just going to take longer for you to get to what is essentially the starting point.

The ability to believe is enough to get started where it counts. Get started with Jesus Christ. He is a real man with real flesh and blood who existed as a manifested, embodied incarnation of God's mercy to humankind.

There is no reason to doubt that and there is no reason not to believe it. There is a choice of how to understand it and no persuasion is needed.

So, in the Gospel of John, written by the Love Apostle, whom Jesus loved, begins the story of God's Love abiding in human form. It is a story about Love.

For, God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish confronted by the Holiness of God, but have everlasting life.

In the beginning was the Son of God. Through him all things were made, by him they were made and there is no thing which was made that was not by him made.

The exegetical method faces a dilemma. The phrase is that in the beginning was the Word. Yet, historical records (say some) suggest this text was written in Greek. (No one disputes the Torah is written in Hebrew, though the English text may source from the Septuagint).

So.

The exegetical method uses context analysis to understand the essence of the meaning of the words written. At the least, it refers to direct context of surrounding text and the Canon itself.

How far does the context analysis go?

This is the theological crux of this thread.
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Christian is another J.ew!sh invention that hath got absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

And they did a good jobs distorting to truth of mankind.

A good Christian who doesn't know will get into heaven.

Almost like accident, so do not worried about it.

But stay away from idols and that included cross.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [the Church of] Christ; and shall deceive many.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:5
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Jesús made it simple..do unto others as you would have them do to you because that is the law and that will be your profit
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God's law doesn't compel performance, so I do NOT unto others
as I would have them do not unto me.
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Christian is another J.ew!sh invention that hath got absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

And they did a good jobs distorting to truth of mankind.

A good Christian who doesn't know will get into heaven.

Almost like accident, so do not worried about it.

But stay away from idols and that included cross.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [the Church of] Christ; and shall deceive many.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:5
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


The Christian is always of Christ. You probably signify Christ to mean something more personal to you. This would be the eisegetical approach.

Unfortunately in the context provided here, in the Bible, and in the text you referenced "Many shall come in my name and decieve", you lose coherence from the beginning.

Deceive can have two meanings.

It can mean to lie, which is to contradict the truth, which has no contradiction. The essence of lie is in the contradiction.

It can also mean to "uproot" or "attempt to supplant what has been planted."

Your words demonstrate both your own contradiction (your fundamental incoherence to refer to Christ with your own hidden eisegetical meaning and then contradict yourself by opposing Christ and Christian in your writing) and your angle of "uprooting" the thread I have "planted" which has been written precisely and carefully to elucidate the theme of it.

You're not replying to the theme and contradicting yourself, as well as the thread. This is the fruit of you, showing your source. In the final irony you announced it by your choice of scripture.

"They will come in false name and deception".

What is your fundamental message? It is this: "Don't read the Bible".

Yet this thread is about how to read it. It isn't even a question about whether it should be read.

Your intentions are unclean. Your mind is not clear. Your words are, therefore, weak.
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God's law doesn't compel performance, so I do NOT unto others
as I would have them do not unto me.
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Correct
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I would accept feedback of the clarity and care of such as that I write. I find such attention and coherence valuable. I'd like someone to attend with such care and clarity to my own post and offer me feedback. Thank you.
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Christian is another J.ew!sh invention that hath got absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

And they did a good jobs distorting to truth of mankind.

A good Christian who doesn't know will get into heaven.

Almost like accident, so do not worried about it.

But stay away from idols and that included cross.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [the Church of] Christ; and shall deceive many.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:5
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


The Christian is always of Christ. You probably signify Christ to mean something more personal to you. This would be the eisegetical approach.

Unfortunately in the context provided here, in the Bible, and in the text you referenced "Many shall come in my name and decieve", you lose coherence from the beginning.

Deceive can have two meanings.

It can mean to lie, which is to contradict the truth, which has no contradiction. The essence of lie is in the contradiction.

It can also mean to "uproot" or "attempt to supplant what has been planted."

Your words demonstrate both your own contradiction (your fundamental incoherence to refer to Christ with your own hidden eisegetical meaning and then contradict yourself by opposing Christ and Christian in your writing) and your angle of "uprooting" the thread I have "planted" which has been written precisely and carefully to elucidate the theme of it.

You're not replying to the theme and contradicting yourself, as well as the thread. This is the fruit of you, showing your source. In the final irony you announced it by your choice of scripture.

"They will come in false name and deception".

What is your fundamental message? It is this: "Don't read the Bible".

Yet this thread is about how to read it. It isn't even a question about whether it should be read.

Your intentions are unclean. Your mind is not clear. Your words are, therefore, weak.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning


Hello.

I am also John the Baptist and my Spirit name is Elijah.

Is there anything else you would like to ask before my wrath kindled against you, downright blasphemer?.

stopposting1

"They are altogether foolish [to intermingled] and senseless [to sense their own spirit]; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of [Elijah the prophet] visitation they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18 Vulgate Bible
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Is all the power and glory worth spending eternity in hell?

Many will ask that to themselves before they die

Was it worth it?

The souls of all those that suffered because of them will be waiting for them

King Henry VIII was screaming on his deathbed.Story goes the souls of the monks he had killed were waiting for him

Is it worth it?

For the money? The power? The promises? The perks?
Is anything worth it?

Seconds before they die they will know the answer but it will be too late
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Innocent families sitting in their homes in terror waiting on decisions of others over their lives

Ever wonder what God feels?

Is he pleased?

Becsuse you see..if he is not pleased..that is when the real problem starts
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Foundation of Mount Sion from Hebrews:12
Would all these 4 beasts to be the parents of God and the Holy Spirit in Ge:1.
That would also make them the 'grandparents' of Christ.
They would be 'the seeds' used to create all other flesh in Ge:1.
They would become the guides for the angels that are in their promised new heaven, one in which they are perfect enough to be able to be given in marriage and have a child that is born perfected.
Heb:12:22-23:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Re:4:6-9:
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne,
were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
And the first beast was like a lion,
and the second beast like a calf,
and the third beast had a face as a man,
and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him;
and they were full of eyes within:
and they rest not day and night,
saying,
Holy,
holy,
holy,
Lord God Almighty,
which was,
and is,
and is to come.
And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne,
who liveth for ever and ever,

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Christian is another J.ew!sh invention that hath got absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

And they did a good jobs distorting to truth of mankind.

A good Christian who doesn't know will get into heaven.

Almost like accident, so do not worried about it.

But stay away from idols and that included cross.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [the Church of] Christ; and shall deceive many.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:5
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


The Christian is always of Christ. You probably signify Christ to mean something more personal to you. This would be the eisegetical approach.

Unfortunately in the context provided here, in the Bible, and in the text you referenced "Many shall come in my name and decieve", you lose coherence from the beginning.

Deceive can have two meanings.

It can mean to lie, which is to contradict the truth, which has no contradiction. The essence of lie is in the contradiction.

It can also mean to "uproot" or "attempt to supplant what has been planted."

Your words demonstrate both your own contradiction (your fundamental incoherence to refer to Christ with your own hidden eisegetical meaning and then contradict yourself by opposing Christ and Christian in your writing) and your angle of "uprooting" the thread I have "planted" which has been written precisely and carefully to elucidate the theme of it.

You're not replying to the theme and contradicting yourself, as well as the thread. This is the fruit of you, showing your source. In the final irony you announced it by your choice of scripture.

"They will come in false name and deception".

What is your fundamental message? It is this: "Don't read the Bible".

Yet this thread is about how to read it. It isn't even a question about whether it should be read.

Your intentions are unclean. Your mind is not clear. Your words are, therefore, weak.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning


Hello.

I am also John the Baptist and my Spirit name is Elijah.

Is there anything else you would like to ask before my wrath kindled against you, downright blasphemer?.

stopposting1

"They are altogether foolish [to intermingled] and senseless [to sense their own spirit]; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of [Elijah the prophet] visitation they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18 Vulgate Bible

 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


Nothing was asked of you. You may post scripture on whatever eisegetical interpretation you have formed for yourself. This doesn't mean you are "on topic". Posting scripture that "proves your off topic point" doesn't mean you're on topic. It might mean you are coherent in your own mind, which I didn't doubt. Nor did I call it into question. I called out the ineffectiveness of your method, your dishonest communication, and the weakness of your words.

You are welcome to send your wrath my way, if you can manage to raise it to my own. Even my own wrath is not worth mentioning under the wrath of God. So you don't scare me.

You call yourself a clown. You choose to act foolishly. These are your own choices. You are welcome to them.

Anyone can gather verses around an eisegetical point. You'll find the weakness in using scripture to tell others not to read it. I'm sure it's easier to pretend to be Christian without reading the Bible. Please focus on exegetical methods for my thread.

It is actually impossible to fake it. Exegetical methods point towards increasing the understanding of scripture. It is immediately possible to detect the spirit of how anyone uses scripture. One way leads to clarity. The other way leads to confusion.

It is normal for something like you to show up.
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Innocent families sitting in their homes in terror waiting on decisions of others over their lives

Ever wonder what God feels?

Is he pleased?

Becsuse you see..if he is not pleased..that is when the real problem starts
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Please, establish a point. I allowed your post to go on in the thread without directly addressing it because I wanted to see if you would respect the topic.

I am not demanding respect to the topic, since I don't really deserve it, having been in the position of incoherence, dishonesty, weakness and inability to take responsibility.

However, I do not welcome vague posts that are not about theology and the hermeneutic messages. You may have some personal concerns with God, or a faith crisis.

However as I have stated, I am neither a proseleyzer nor an apologist. This thread might not be for you. Please find a thread which suits your preferences.
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Foundation of Mount Sion from Hebrews:12
Would all these 4 beasts to be the parents of God and the Holy Spirit in Ge:1.
That would also make them the 'grandparents' of Christ.
They would be 'the seeds' used to create all other flesh in Ge:1.
They would become the guides for the angels that are in their promised new heaven, one in which they are perfect enough to be able to be given in marriage and have a child that is born perfected.
Heb:12:22-23:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Re:4:6-9:
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne,
were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
And the first beast was like a lion,
and the second beast like a calf,
and the third beast had a face as a man,
and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him;
and they were full of eyes within:
and they rest not day and night,
saying,
Holy,
holy,
holy,
Lord God Almighty,
which was,
and is,
and is to come.
And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne,
who liveth for ever and ever,
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


Given the carefully written context for this thread and how you have chosen to respond to it, I am now much more clear on the fruit of your spirit.

Since you have given me reasons to watch you carefully with wide eyes and no trust in the goodness of your spirit, recognizing in it my own mirror, and the test of faith and spirit provided, we can begin the conversation.

In the first place, establishing a source text and translation, we can seek to understand the mutual interpretation of the same foundation.

I don't believe in your sincerity so you can consider it a test which determines whether we will proceed.

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Beasts are not living creature..

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After these things, I saw, and behold, a door was opened in heaven, and the voice that I heard speaking with me first was like a trumpet, saying: “Ascend to here, and I will reveal to you what must occur after these things.”

And immediately I was in the Spirit. And behold, a throne had been placed in heaven, and there was One sitting upon the throne.

And the One who was sitting there was similar in appearance to a stone of jasper and sardius. And there was an iridescence surrounding the throne, in aspect similar to an emerald.

And surrounding the throne were twenty-four smaller thrones. And upon the thrones, twenty-four elders were sitting, clothed entirely in white vestments, and on their heads were gold crowns.

And from the throne, lightnings and voices and thunders went forth. And there were seven burning lamps before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God.

And in view of the throne, there was something that seemed like a sea of glass, similar to crystal. And in the middle of the throne, and all around the throne, there were four living creatures, full of eyes in front and in back.

And the first living creature resembled a lion, and the second living creature resembled a calf, and the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature resembled a flying eagle.

And each of the four living creatures had upon them six wings, and all around and within they are full of eyes. And they took no rest, day or night, from saying: “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come.”

And while those living creatures were giving glory and honor and blessings to the One sitting upon the throne, who lives forever and ever,

the twenty-four elders fell prostrate before the One sitting upon the throne, and they adored him who lives forever and ever, and they cast their crowns before the throne, saying:

“You are worthy, O Lord [Enoch] our God, to receive glory and honor and power. For you have created all things, and they became and were created because of your will.” - Revelation 4:1-11



In Lakota mythology, Heyoka is sometimes described as a spirit of thunder and lightning. Still, this interesting creature can also appear as an animal, such as a snowbird horse, dog, night hawk, or even a dragonfly. Thus, Heyoka can appear in many different shapes, but it’s his true nature that brings us sacred knowledge.


For just as lightning goes out from the east, and appears even in the west, so shall it be also at the advent of the Son of man [Elijah the prophet]. - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:18
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Revelations 22, verses listed

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Id like to stop you right there

"It is written that faith comes from hearing the Word" (Scripture)
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Christian is another J.ew!sh invention that hath got absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

And they did a good jobs distorting to truth of mankind.

A good Christian who doesn't know will get into heaven.

Almost like accident, so do not worried about it.

But stay away from idols and that included cross.

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [the Church of] Christ; and shall deceive many.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:5
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


The Christian is always of Christ. You probably signify Christ to mean something more personal to you. This would be the eisegetical approach.

Unfortunately in the context provided here, in the Bible, and in the text you referenced "Many shall come in my name and decieve", you lose coherence from the beginning.

Deceive can have two meanings.

It can mean to lie, which is to contradict the truth, which has no contradiction. The essence of lie is in the contradiction.

It can also mean to "uproot" or "attempt to supplant what has been planted."

Your words demonstrate both your own contradiction (your fundamental incoherence to refer to Christ with your own hidden eisegetical meaning and then contradict yourself by opposing Christ and Christian in your writing) and your angle of "uprooting" the thread I have "planted" which has been written precisely and carefully to elucidate the theme of it.

You're not replying to the theme and contradicting yourself, as well as the thread. This is the fruit of you, showing your source. In the final irony you announced it by your choice of scripture.

"They will come in false name and deception".

What is your fundamental message? It is this: "Don't read the Bible".

Yet this thread is about how to read it. It isn't even a question about whether it should be read.

Your intentions are unclean. Your mind is not clear. Your words are, therefore, weak.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning


Hello.

I am also John the Baptist and my Spirit name is Elijah.

Is there anything else you would like to ask before my wrath kindled against you, downright blasphemer?.

stopposting1

"They are altogether foolish [to intermingled] and senseless [to sense their own spirit]; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of [Elijah the prophet] visitation they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18 Vulgate Bible

 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


Nothing was asked of you. You may post scripture on whatever eisegetical interpretation you have formed for yourself. This doesn't mean you are "on topic". Posting scripture that "proves your off topic point" doesn't mean you're on topic. It might mean you are coherent in your own mind, which I didn't doubt. Nor did I call it into question. I called out the ineffectiveness of your method, your dishonest communication, and the weakness of your words.

You are welcome to send your wrath my way, if you can manage to raise it to my own. Even my own wrath is not worth mentioning under the wrath of God. So you don't scare me.

You call yourself a clown. You choose to act foolishly. These are your own choices. You are welcome to them.

Anyone can gather verses around an eisegetical point. You'll find the weakness in using scripture to tell others not to read it. I'm sure it's easier to pretend to be Christian without reading the Bible. Please focus on exegetical methods for my thread.

It is actually impossible to fake it. Exegetical methods point towards increasing the understanding of scripture. It is immediately possible to detect the spirit of how anyone uses scripture. One way leads to clarity. The other way leads to confusion.

It is normal for something like you to show up.
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Sure things, wrath it is for your arrogantness is paramount.

A taste in Sheol will shut your arrogance up!.

The Canticle song for praise, David. Come, let us sing to [Enoch] the Lord; Let us joyfully sing to God our savior;

Let us anticipate his presence with confession, and let us sing joyfully to him with psalms.

For The Lord [Jesus] is a great God and a great King over all gods.

For in his hand are all the limits of the earth, and the heights of mountains are his.

For the sea is his, and he made it, and his hands formed the dry land.

Come, let us adore and fall prostrate, and let us weep before [Enoch] the Lord who made us.

For he is [Enoch] the Lord our God, and we are the people of his pasture and the sheep of his hand.

If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts:

as in provocation, according to the day of temptation in the wilderness where your fathers tempted me; they tested me, thought they had seen my works.

For forty years I was offended by that generation, and I said: These have always strayed in heart [spirit].

And these have not known my ways. So I swore in my wrath: They will not enter into my rest. - Psalm 94
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Id like to stop you right there

"It is written that faith comes from hearing the Word" (Scripture)
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Would you elaborate? If you help me understand, I can edit the primary post. What difference do you discern?
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The Christian is always of Christ. You probably signify Christ to mean something more personal to you. This would be the eisegetical approach.

Unfortunately in the context provided here, in the Bible, and in the text you referenced "Many shall come in my name and decieve", you lose coherence from the beginning.

Deceive can have two meanings.

It can mean to lie, which is to contradict the truth, which has no contradiction. The essence of lie is in the contradiction.

It can also mean to "uproot" or "attempt to supplant what has been planted."

Your words demonstrate both your own contradiction (your fundamental incoherence to refer to Christ with your own hidden eisegetical meaning and then contradict yourself by opposing Christ and Christian in your writing) and your angle of "uprooting" the thread I have "planted" which has been written precisely and carefully to elucidate the theme of it.

You're not replying to the theme and contradicting yourself, as well as the thread. This is the fruit of you, showing your source. In the final irony you announced it by your choice of scripture.

"They will come in false name and deception".

What is your fundamental message? It is this: "Don't read the Bible".

Yet this thread is about how to read it. It isn't even a question about whether it should be read.

Your intentions are unclean. Your mind is not clear. Your words are, therefore, weak.
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Hello.

I am also John the Baptist and my Spirit name is Elijah.

Is there anything else you would like to ask before my wrath kindled against you, downright blasphemer?.

stopposting1

"They are altogether foolish [to intermingled] and senseless [to sense their own spirit]; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of [Elijah the prophet] visitation they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18 Vulgate Bible

 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


Nothing was asked of you. You may post scripture on whatever eisegetical interpretation you have formed for yourself. This doesn't mean you are "on topic". Posting scripture that "proves your off topic point" doesn't mean you're on topic. It might mean you are coherent in your own mind, which I didn't doubt. Nor did I call it into question. I called out the ineffectiveness of your method, your dishonest communication, and the weakness of your words.

You are welcome to send your wrath my way, if you can manage to raise it to my own. Even my own wrath is not worth mentioning under the wrath of God. So you don't scare me.

You call yourself a clown. You choose to act foolishly. These are your own choices. You are welcome to them.

Anyone can gather verses around an eisegetical point. You'll find the weakness in using scripture to tell others not to read it. I'm sure it's easier to pretend to be Christian without reading the Bible. Please focus on exegetical methods for my thread.

It is actually impossible to fake it. Exegetical methods point towards increasing the understanding of scripture. It is immediately possible to detect the spirit of how anyone uses scripture. One way leads to clarity. The other way leads to confusion.

It is normal for something like you to show up.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning

Sure things, wrath it is for your arrogantness is paramount.

A taste in Sheol will shut your arrogance up!.
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


My arrogance is not paramount. It is something that has often been my stumbling block. You are not correct to make it important.

Continually though, you contradict yourself, don't you? You didn't really mean my arrogance is so important. You meant it is "too high". I would benefit from improvements to my humility, so thank you.

You use words you do not understand. I don't blame you since I have done the same and in some ways might still do.

You continue to take on an adversarial role with me. So be it. However, regarding the wrath I have a few questions for you.

First, do you promise?
Second, is it on schedule? If yes...
Third, when is it?

I'd like to see what you are capable of, since I still do not believe your words. They are too much based in contractions and seeming ignorance.

If you have wrath, send it. If not, go in peace.

Edit, typo and added sentence mentioning humility

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'He who would hear the voice of Nada [Voice in the Spiritual Sound], 'the Soundless Sound,' and comprehend it, he has to learn the nature of Dharana.'

'He who is engaged in the performance of yoga, who has subdued his senses and who has concentrated his mind in me (Krishna) [Lord Jesus], such yogis all the Siddhis stand ready to serve.



Unto the end. To the sons of Korah, for confidants. A Psalm.

Our God is our refuge and strength, a helper in the tribulations that have greatly overwhelmed us.

Because of this, we will not be afraid when the earth will be turbulent and the mountains will be transferred into the heart of the sea.

They thundered, and the waters were stirred up among them; the mountains have been disturbed by his strength.

The frenzy of the river rejoices the city of God. The Most High has sanctified his tabernacle.

God is in its midst; it will not be shaken. God will assist it in the early morning.

The peoples have been disturbed, and the kingdoms have been bowed down. He uttered his voice: the earth has been moved.

[Enoch] The Lord of hosts is with us. The God of Jacob is our supporter.

Draw near and behold the works of [Jesus] the Lord: what portents he has set upon the earth,

carrying away wars even to the end of the earth. He will crush the bow and break the weapons, and he will burn the shield with fire.

Be empty, and see that I am God. I will be exalted among the peoples, and I will be exalted upon the earth.

[Enoch] The Lord of hosts is with us. The God of Jacob is our supporter. - 45:1-12
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Okay I get it. I wrote a lot of posts in a similar way to someone else's thread. I shouldn't have. It was obnoxious of me. I will guess it's going to last a while.

I look forward to reaching the point that the actual thread becomes discussed, if it does.
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Hello.

I am also John the Baptist and my Spirit name is Elijah.

Is there anything else you would like to ask before my wrath kindled against you, downright blasphemer?.

stopposting1

"They are altogether foolish [to intermingled] and senseless [to sense their own spirit]; they all taught by worthless wooden idols." - Jeremiah 10:8

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." - 1 John 5:21

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of [Elijah the prophet] visitation they shall perish." - Jeremiah 51:18 Vulgate Bible

 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


Nothing was asked of you. You may post scripture on whatever eisegetical interpretation you have formed for yourself. This doesn't mean you are "on topic". Posting scripture that "proves your off topic point" doesn't mean you're on topic. It might mean you are coherent in your own mind, which I didn't doubt. Nor did I call it into question. I called out the ineffectiveness of your method, your dishonest communication, and the weakness of your words.

You are welcome to send your wrath my way, if you can manage to raise it to my own. Even my own wrath is not worth mentioning under the wrath of God. So you don't scare me.

You call yourself a clown. You choose to act foolishly. These are your own choices. You are welcome to them.

Anyone can gather verses around an eisegetical point. You'll find the weakness in using scripture to tell others not to read it. I'm sure it's easier to pretend to be Christian without reading the Bible. Please focus on exegetical methods for my thread.

It is actually impossible to fake it. Exegetical methods point towards increasing the understanding of scripture. It is immediately possible to detect the spirit of how anyone uses scripture. One way leads to clarity. The other way leads to confusion.

It is normal for something like you to show up.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning

Sure things, wrath it is for your arrogantness is paramount.

A taste in Sheol will shut your arrogance up!.
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


My arrogance is not paramount. It is something that has often been mu stumbling block. You are not correct to make it important.

Continually though, you contradict yourself, don't you? You didn't really mean my arrogance is so important. You meant it is "too high".

You use words you do not understand. I don't blame you since I have done the same and in some ways might still do.

You continue to take on an adversarial role with me. So be it. However, regarding the wrath I have a few questions for you.

First, do you promise?
Second, is it on schedule? If yes...
Third, when is it?

I'd like to see what you are capable of, since I still do not believe your words. They are too much based in contractions and seeming ignorance.

If you have wrath, send it. If not, go in peace.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning


Laughable, I do not know you and this thread is an excellent learning curves for other to read your arrogantness!

Don't worry for you will not be at the bottomless pit of Sheol with Poppy Mommy!.

Should've stopped posting instead!.

Unto the end. For David, the servant of the Lord, who spoke the words of this canticle to the Lord, in the day that the Lord delivered him from the hand of all his enemies and from the hand of Saul [Emmanuel 'Vlad Tepe' Macron]. And he said:

I will love you, O Lord my strength.

The Lord is my firmament, my refuge, and my liberator. My God is my helper, and I hope in him: my protector, and the horn of my salvation, and my support.

Praising, I will call upon the Lord. And I will be saved from my enemies.

The sorrows of death surrounded me, and the torrents of iniquity dismayed me.

The sorrows of Hell encompassed me, and the snares of death intercepted me.

In my tribulation, I called upon the Lord, and I cried out to my God. And he listened to my voice from his holy temple. And my cry in his presence entered into his ears.

The earth was shaken, and it trembled. The foundations of the mountains were disturbed, and they were shaken, because he was angry with them.

A smoke ascended by his wrath, and a fire flared up from his face: coals were kindled by it.

And he ascended upon the cherubim, and he flew: he flew upon the feathers of the winds.

And he set darkness as his hiding place, with his tabernacle all around him: dark waters in the clouds of the air.

At the brightness that was before his sight, the clouds crossed by, with hail and coals of fire.

And the Lord thundered from heaven, and the Most High uttered his voice: hail and coals of fire.

And he sent forth his arrows and scattered them. He multiplied lightnings, and he set them in disarray.

Then the fountains of waters appeared, and the foundations of the world were revealed, by your rebuke, O Lord, by the inspiration of the Spirit of your wrath.

He sent from on high, and he accepted me. And he took me up, out of many waters.

He rescued me from my strongest enemies, and from those who hated me. For they had been too strong for me.

They intercepted me in the day of my affliction, and the Lord became my protector.

And he led me out, into a wide place. He accomplished my salvation, because he willed me.

And the Lord will reward me according to my justice, and he will repay me according to the purity of my hands.

For I have preserved the ways of the Lord, and I have not behaved impiously before my God.

For all his judgments are in my sight, and his justice, I have not pushed away from me.

And I will be immaculate together with him, and I will keep myself from my iniquity.

And the Lord will reward me according to my justice and according to the purity of my hands before his eyes.

With the holy, you will be holy, and with the innocent, you will be innocent,

and with the elect, you will be elect, and with the perverse, you will be perverse.

For you will save the humble people, but you will bring down the eyes of the arrogant.

For you illuminate my lamp, O Lord. My God, enlighten my darkness.

For in you, I will be delivered from temptation; and with my God, I will climb over a wall.

As for my God, his way is undefiled. The eloquence of the Lord has been examined by fire. He is the protector of all who hope in him.

For who is God, except the Lord? And who is God, except our God?

It is God who has wrapped me with virtue and made my way immaculate.

It is he who has perfected my feet, like the feet of deer, and who stations me upon the heights.

It is he who trains my hands for battle. And you have set my arms like a bow of brass.

And you have given me the protection of your salvation. And your right hand sustains me. And your discipline has corrected me unto the end. And your discipline itself will teach me.

You have expanded my footsteps under me, and my tracks have not been weakened.

I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them. And I will not turn back until they have failed.

I will break them, and they will not be able to stand. They will fall under my feet.

And you have wrapped me with virtue for the battle. And those rising up against me, you have subdued under me.

And you have given the back of my enemies to me, and you have destroyed those who hated me.

They cried out, but there was none to save them, to the Lord, but he did not heed them.

And I will crush them into dust before the face of the wind, so that I will obliterate them like the mud in the streets.

You will rescue me from the contradictions of the people. You will set me at the head of the Gentiles.

A people I did not know has served me. As soon as their ears heard, they were obedient to me.

The sons of foreigners have been deceitful to me, the sons of foreigners have grown weak with time, and they have wavered from their paths.

The Lord lives, and blessed is my God, and may the God of my salvation be exalted:

O God, who vindicates me and who subdues the people under me, my liberator from my enraged enemies.

And you will exalt me above those who rise up against me. From the iniquitous man, you will rescue me.

Because of this, O Lord, I will confess to you among the nations, and I will compose a psalm to your name:

magnifying the salvation of his king, and showing mercy to David, his Christ, and to his offspring, even for all time. - Psalm 17:1-51 Vulgate Bible
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Nothing was asked of you. You may post scripture on whatever eisegetical interpretation you have formed for yourself. This doesn't mean you are "on topic". Posting scripture that "proves your off topic point" doesn't mean you're on topic. It might mean you are coherent in your own mind, which I didn't doubt. Nor did I call it into question. I called out the ineffectiveness of your method, your dishonest communication, and the weakness of your words.

You are welcome to send your wrath my way, if you can manage to raise it to my own. Even my own wrath is not worth mentioning under the wrath of God. So you don't scare me.

You call yourself a clown. You choose to act foolishly. These are your own choices. You are welcome to them.

Anyone can gather verses around an eisegetical point. You'll find the weakness in using scripture to tell others not to read it. I'm sure it's easier to pretend to be Christian without reading the Bible. Please focus on exegetical methods for my thread.

It is actually impossible to fake it. Exegetical methods point towards increasing the understanding of scripture. It is immediately possible to detect the spirit of how anyone uses scripture. One way leads to clarity. The other way leads to confusion.

It is normal for something like you to show up.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning

Sure things, wrath it is for your arrogantness is paramount.

A taste in Sheol will shut your arrogance up!.
 Quoting: Chief Heyoka Glory Clown 84302351


My arrogance is not paramount. It is something that has often been mu stumbling block. You are not correct to make it important.

Continually though, you contradict yourself, don't you? You didn't really mean my arrogance is so important. You meant it is "too high".

You use words you do not understand. I don't blame you since I have done the same and in some ways might still do.

You continue to take on an adversarial role with me. So be it. However, regarding the wrath I have a few questions for you.

First, do you promise?
Second, is it on schedule? If yes...
Third, when is it?

I'd like to see what you are capable of, since I still do not believe your words. They are too much based in contractions and seeming ignorance.

If you have wrath, send it. If not, go in peace.
 Quoting: Something Worth Learning


Laughable, I do not know you and this thread is an excellent learning curves for other to read your arrogantness!

Don't worry for you will not be at the bottomless pit of Sheol with Poppy Mommy!.

Should've stopped posting instead!.

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So you are saying you would target someone's parents if you are unable to affect them directly?
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Faith without works is like wearing a bullet proof vest and getting shot in the head?
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Dang OP... Your focus and attention to detail are remarkable.
Oddly, you have selected this forum for serious study?

Most of us here are super geniuses having taken several online tests to prove our intellect, but your initial post is beyond our ability.
You'll only get jeers and babble here ;>)
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Christian is another J.ew!sh invention that hath got absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

And they did a good jobs distorting to truth of mankind.

A good Christian who doesn't know will get into heaven.

Almost like accident, so do not worried about it.

But stay away from idols and that included cross.

“For many shall come in my name, saying,

I am [the Church of] Christ;

and shall deceive many.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:5
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There is NO translation that has...

...'the Church of'.


Here's well over 45 different Bible versions of the verse.

[link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)]

KJV Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my ame, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive ny.

The understanding is that they are antichrists.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Sure things, wrath it is for your arrogantness is paramount.

A taste in Sheol will shut your arrogance up!.

The Canticle song for praise, David. Come, let us sing to [Enoch] the Lord; Let us joyfully sing to God our savior;
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'Enoch the Lord'?????


What false bible is that nonsense from?

bullshit
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