BPD (Borderline) is the ROOT CAUSE OF THIS TRANS SURGE

Yes, but is it directly linked to causing or being a consistent influencing factor of a known and identified cluster of behavioral symptoms with the same underlying structural and functional brain 'disruptions'/abnormalities that are associated with arrested development and BPD?

BPD'S core behavioral symptoms are consistent across the world and across multi-variant environments (across gender, age, socioeconomic status, religion, culture, geographic location, childhood trauma experiences, etc) signaling a common and constant root cause like brain disruptions/abnormalities, which is further supported by neuro imaging research.

Are you hypothesizing that Atrazine could also be common in all these cases (we call BPD)?

Do you have related research leading you to this hypothesis?

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the root cause is women's birth control pills

Ha! I'll have to check him out. Current rapper or old school rapper?

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Of course a vague and generalized personality disorder diagnosis with the only treatment being lifelong psychotherapeutic management. Sounds like the next big money maker for the medical industry. $$$

Not all shitty people have BPD but all people with BPD have done shitty things that keeps them in a feedback loop of guilt and negative behavior.

While childhood trauma is associated in most cases, BPD is not and will never be PTSD or CPTSD. BPD (the patterned cognitive and behavioral symptoms) is the way the brain was formed and used during critical brain and psychosocial developmental years, which is a result of the environment (epigenetics).

There are, oh so, many people who experience trauma in childhood who do not develop BPD.

There are, oh so, many in adulthood who experience trauma, often prolonged, and who develop PTSD but do not develop BPD (it develops in childhood).

If BPD were purely psychological in nature, then traditional psychotherapy would have been wildly effective and productive in treating BPD many decades ago to present. It hasn't, and it's not.

In fact, therapists and clinicians ran from and often rejected treating BPD due to the "impossibility" to treat.

The reason DBT is effective in treating BPD is the systematic approach helps rewire the neural connections in the brain.

Further from an empirical position:

1. BPD is one of the most studied disorders, and structural neuroimaging studies for over 25 years demonstrate abnormalities in the brain, which, of course, underlie behavioral symptoms.

2. The cognitive and behavioral symptom patterns are common across the world and across multi-variant conditions: age, gender, socioeconomic status, culture, and, yes, vastly differing childhood environments and trauma experiences.

What would cause the same set of core cognitive and behavioral symptoms and shared brain abnormalities to occur across these vastly different environments and influencing factors but something they have in common and is constant such as the brain (or potentially other that's not yet been exposed)?

While I fully believe trauma and the environment impact how the brain is developed and formed, and that people indeed experience lasting psychological issues from childhood trauma, the cognitive and behavioral symptoms are caused by underlying brain structure and neural wiring.

Until the psych industry faces the reality that neurobiology is a leading and integrated factor in all disorders, people will continue to suffer. The brain/head cannot be 'removed' or isolated and treated independently from a closed and integrated system, and the failure of the industry, the theories and practices over the decades have proved just that.

So, no, AC, based on empirical evidence and hard science, I believe the notion you present is, as you describe, "dangerous" or, at minimum, ineffective and negligent.

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Thanks, I've got an X who (who I have diagnosed w/ BPD) that would just latch on to crazy things & become obsessed with them. One month would be men's cologne, the next handguns, the next business ventures & on & on. I could envision if someone planted in his mind he was really a girl & it would be better if he transitioned how it would become an obsession. The guy is smart, (in some ways) graduated from med school & passed his boards BUT became a Methhead during his residency & got kicked out.

I knew nothing about BPD before dating this guy. I kinda blame his mother for his BPD as she is has Histrionic BPD but other family members of his such as his much older half-sister raised by his dad's 1st wife was diagnosed w/ BPD.

I really liked him but being in a relationship with him was just miserable.

I feel like the descriptions of BPD are so politically correct that I'm not even sure what it means.

Autism is genetic

I know a couple of trans people and I guess I can say that at least one seems like possible BPD. Not sure about all.

Very interesting take!

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If, after spending time with a person, you feel as if your life energy has been sucked out of you:

"You're the only one who truly understands me." is what they often tell you:

They are never interested in solutions to their "problems", only in playing the eternal victim and endlessly identifying their "oppressors" and "saviours".

Women usually cut on themselves/use drugs or alcohol/ binge spending they can't afford.

Men tend toward physical aggression towards others.

Couple this with all the chemicals of all kinds we have been exposed to.

These people are extremely hard to deal with.

People with BPD and NPD, well ASPD, too, are often highly intelligent. There's not a negative correlation with IQ. This is the reason clinicians and others refer to "emotional IQ". Specific parts of the brain are disrupted not all.

Your experience with obession is not surprising. One person with BPD I know obsesses on people. He would attend a "boys weekend" at the ranch, and come back with completely different likes and dislikes, the manner of speech and vocabulary would change, his ideas for the future would change, his manner of fashion, music, even his voice. It was all based on this one person who hosted the events and who he wanted to be...not be like, not aspire to be, but to actually be him. In two weeks, the changes changed again if he didn't see this individual for some type of reinforcement. It was truly fascinating to witness.

A female friend I've known since high school does the same with her very successful business. She becomes obsessed with a certain line of product or decor or even her own fashion, hair color, etc and a week later it changes to a new obsession. It drives her employees crazy.

A different female I've known since high school does this with her identity. Based on her friends' likes and dislikes, she changes her identity and becomes a devout Catholic or when the friends change, a partier.

I had one pwBPD tell me he just decided he was no longer an alcoholic. Um. OK. I suppose most people hope kicking it would be that easy.

So, yes identity issues wrapped into wanting to be accepted. It appears to me, which is supported by professionals and self-reported by those with BPD, they are desperately looking to be comfortable in their own skin, so to speak, and can't achieve it.

While I despise their behavior and the most dangerous and damaging destruction they can cause people and families, I simultaneously have great compassion for them. They didn't ask for it any more than a person with schizophrenia or diabetes.

I just wish more would seek proper treatment, which is currently DBT.

The story of your friend is the tragedy of the condition and the state of our mental health as well as medical, social, legislative and judicial systems. Tragic.

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BPD patients are some the absolute hardest to treat. They can and will literally suck the soul right out of you all while pointing the finger at you.

I’d rather be in a room full of sociopaths.

I don’t think Atrazine has caused all these cases. I do think it can’t be dismissed as a contributing factor, though. Not only does it mess with the endocrine system it also causes problems in neurodevelopment.
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Thank you for this thread.

I concur and have declared the same for many years about people with untreated BPD and NPD.

While sociopaths will lie, steal, exploit, harm you, you can reason with them because they do not experience cognitive distortions/delusions, they do not experience emotional dysregulation and they aren't defending a fake identity they must keep propped up - read: defend at all costs and your expense - by external validation.

Sociopaths and psychopaths know who they are and are proud of it..."Yeah, I am. So?". Lol. Don't try that with a pwNPD or BPD (confront them with their behavior or traits).

While I don't want to be around any of them, give me a sociopath any day.

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More to do with terrible liberal/progressive parenting or drug abuse by mommy and daddy in their crazy and wild days affecting the mental health of their child developmental growth.

Most people with BPD on my path, or more accurately I should state 'who are behaviorally traited BPD' do not present as BPD. They are often the life of the party, the one you want to hang with, the incredible charmers, and a few are even a little gregarious and histrionic.

Until you have them in your close circle or daily life such as at the office, family member or close friend...

Or until you say something or do something completely benign to you that they perceive as a slight or attack...

Or you dare confront them with their behavior and how they made you feel...

Or you get randomly painted as their enemy because they've decided you are to blame and dumped on for whatever negative is going on in their lives...

Then the symptoms become overt.

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Parents covered in the opening post.

If one closely examines the symptoms, the overt behavioral traits apply to many liberal-progressive, SJW, Woke Marxist types. It's my hypothesis the mental illness came first (formed in genes and the epigenetics of childhood) then due to such a high prevalence of BPD and their enablers, they found and formed their like-mind group, their gang, their tr1be of those with what I might more accurately call 'arrested development disorder'.

Cheers!

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Agreed. No reasonable factor should be ruled out to be studied as potentially contributing. That's the beauty of (real) science.

Thanks for the link and your contributions!

By the way, this is old school GLP...actual discussion and presentation of data, thoughts and ideas rather than link dropping bandits.

When something surges there is usually a wave behind it. There is a wave of vampiric influencers on every handheld device clawing at every vulnerable, impulsive and impressionable, innocent little face AND not so innocent face of THAT parent living vicariously through their child.

Lol! I can tell you have direct experience. You are spot on with your statements.

May I add, "You are my soul mate! I've waited my entire life..." and before you know it, they've moved in with you and won't leave.

Men with untreated BPD are, indeed, more physically aggressive and dangerous. I've had two 25 years apart do great physical damage. Muscles and the male physique plus dysregulated emotions and cognitive distortions is a very dangerous mix.

So, everyone tuck this insight away in your knowledge bank. Don't ever underestimate the depth of a person's disorder or their willingness to serve their pathology. The pathology always comes first...not you, not their children, not morals or ethics, not reason or rational thinking, but their pathology driven by the way their brains are structured and wired.

Remember this to stay safe.

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For discussion---ing this...

Indeed, indeed. Wise words.

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BPD is a combination of biology and cPTSD.

″When the BPD and the associated unstable identity are effectively and productively treated..″

Good luck trying to treat it.


BPD.....................................normal

Decades of treatment might inch a sufferer along the spectrum

..BPD...................................normal


Like all cluster Bs, it's a lifelong and very resistant to treatment.

Well, the cluster and patterned cognitive and behavioral symptoms of what has been labeled as BPD is not vague or generalized, and, it's also not factually a "personality" disorder; though, it is "officially" for DX.

Psychotherapy is wholly ineffective with BPD and all the Cluster B disorders for that matter.

However, DBT is showing efficacy with BPD because it helps rewire the brain.

Lifelong? When structural brain abnormalities are present, yes, a condition is lifelong just as dysfunctional oxytocin receptors in those with pure psychopathology are, currently, lifelong, and just as a person with mutated genes resulting in sickle cell anemia or hemochromotosis (insert any similar physiological condition/abnormality) is lifelong.

I'd much rather see every person suffering from BPD receive DBT treatment than not because not only does the condition negatively impact them, it is greatly damaging and destructive to those around them. Children, individuals and entire families are destroyed by many with severe untreated BPD.

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DBT is demonstrating great success in treatment because, as stated many times in this tread, the systematic process deals with neuroplasticity of the brain and helps rewire neural connections.

I'd like to see DBT used with a population of those with clinical NPD since the two disorders (brain structures, some cognitive processes and behavioral symptoms) are so closely related.

Traditional psychotherapy, yeah, no. Complete failure across the board.

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LMAO!! Just got it.

Hey, you! Yeah, well, when dealing with the Cluster B disorders - what I call the vast grey (ignored and whitewashed) area of "mental" illness - it actually gets worse than that if you look at all the broken systems involved: medical and mental health care, social services, family courts and the judicial system; uninformed and corrupt law enforcement; education, and there's a legislative component.

Then, add to it the misdiagnosed trans issue and medical mutilation within these broken systems, and, well, it makes me want to move to rural Bali and live closer to the land.

I hope you are well! Thank you again for your previous advice. I'm upright now. It hasn't stopped, but at least I'm back on a regular cycle.

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