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The War in Ukraine Has Just Begun

 
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"I have been attempting for several days to collect my thoughts on the Russo-Ukrainian War and condense them into another analysis piece, but my efforts were consistently frustrated by the war’s stubborn refusal to sit still. After a slow, attritional grind for much of the summer, events have begun to accelerate, calling to mind a famous quip from Vladimir Lenin: 'There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.'

This has been one of those weeks. It began with the commencement of referenda in four former Ukrainian oblasts to determine whether or not to join the Russian Federation, accompanied by Putin’s announcement that reservists would be called up to augment the force deployment in Ukraine. Further excitement bubbled up from the Baltic seabed with the mysterious destruction of the Nordstream pipelines. Nuclear rumors circulate, and all the while the war on the ground continues.

In all, it is clear that we are currently in the transitional period towards a new phase of the war, with higher Russian force deployment, expanded rules of engagement, and greater intensity looming. Season 2 of the Special Military Operation looms, and with it the Winter of Yuri...

...The move to hold referenda and eventually annex the southeastern rim was accompanied with Putin’s long-awaited announcement of a 'partial mobilization'. Ostensibly, the initial order calls up just 300,000 men with previous military experience, but the door is left upon for further surges at the discretion of the president’s office. Implicitly, Putin can now ramp up the mobilization as he sees fit without needing to make further announcements or sign more paperwork. This is similar to American Lend-Lease or the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force' in America, where the door is opened once and the President is then free to move at will without even informing the public.

It was increasingly clear that Russia needed to raise its force deployment. Ukraine’s successful drive to the Oskil River was made possible by Russian economy of force. The Russian army had completely hollowed out Kharkiv Oblast, leaving only a thin screening force of national guardsmen and LNR militia. In places where the Russian Army has chosen to deploy sizeable regular formations, the results have been disastrous for Ukraine - the infamous Kherson Counteroffensive turned into a shooting gallery for Russian artillery, with the Ukrainian Army haplessly funneling men into a hopeless bridgehead at Andriivka.

So far in this war, Ukraine has achieved two big successes retaking territory: first in the spring, around Kiev, and now the late summer recapture of Kharkov Oblast. In both cases, the Russians had preemptively hollowed out the sector. We have yet to see a successful Ukrainian offensive against the Russian Army in a defensive posture. The obvious solution, therefore, is to raise the force deployment so that it is no longer necessary to hollow out sections of the front.

The initial surge of 300,000 men is being a bit muddled. Not all of the men being called up will be sent to Ukraine. Many will remain in Russia on garrison duty so that existing ready formations can be rotated to Ukraine. Therefore, it is likely that we will see more Russian units arriving in theater much sooner than expected. Additionally, many of the units originally committed to Ukraine have been off the front for refitting and resting. The scale and pace of Russia’s new force generation is likely to shock people. On the whole, the timing of Russia’s manpower surge coincides with the depletion of Ukrainian capabilities.

Ukraine spent the summer sending its 2nd tier conscripts to the front in the Donbas as it lovingly collected NATO-donated weapons and trained units in the rear. With generous NATO help, Ukraine was able to accumulate forces for two full scale offensives - one in Kherson (which failed spectacularly) and one in Kharkov (which succeeded in pushing past the Russian screening force and reaching the Oskil). Much of that carefully accumulated fighting power is now gone or degraded...strong Russian forces are in the region behind prepared defensive lines.

On the whole, therefore, Ukraine’s window for offensive operations has closed, and what remains is closing quickly...The large scale view of force ratios is as follows:

Ukraine has spent much of the combat power that they accumulated with NATO help during the summer, and will have an urgent need to reduce combat intensity for refitting and rearming at precisely the same time that Russian combat power in the theater begins to surge.

Simultaneously, NATO’s ability to arm Ukraine is on the verge of exhaustion.

One of the more fascinating aspects of the war in Ukraine is the extent to which Russia has contrived to attrit NATO military hardware without fighting a direct war with NATO forces. In a previous analysis I referred to Ukraine as a vampiric force which has reversed the logic of the proxy war; it’s a black hole sucking in NATO gear for destruction.

There are now very limited stockpiles to draw from to continue to arm Ukraine. Military Watch Magazine noted that NATO has drained the old Warsaw Pact tank park, leaving them bereft of Soviet tanks to donate to Ukraine. Once these reservoirs are fully tapped, the only option will be giving Ukraine western tank models. This, however, is much harder than it sounds, because it would require not only extensive training of tank crews, but also an entirely different selection of ammunition, spare parts, and repair facilities.

Tanks are not the only problem, however. Ukraine is now staring down the barrel (heh heh) of a serious shortage of conventional tube artillery...

In effect, the effort to keep Ukraine’s artillery arm functioning has gone through a few phases. In the first phase, Warsaw Pact stockpiles of Soviet shells were drained to supply Ukraine’s existing guns. In the second phase, Ukraine was given mid-level western capabilities, especially the 155mm howitzer. Now that 155mm shells are running low, Ukraine has to make do with 105mm guns which are badly outranged by Russian howitzers and will be, in a word, doomed in any kind of counterbattery action.

As a substitute for adequate tube artillery, the latest aid package does include 18 more of the internet’s favorite meme weapon - the HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket System. What is not explicitly mentioned in the press release is that the HIMARS systems don’t exist in current US inventories and will have to be built, and are thus unlikely to arrive in Ukraine for several years.

The increasing difficulties in arming Ukraine coincide with the rapid closing of Ukraine’s window of operational opportunity. The forces accumulated over the summer are degraded and fought out, and every subsequent rebuild of the Ukrainian first tier forces will become harder as manpower is destroyed and NATO arsenals are depleted. This depletion comes precisely as Russian force generation is surging, foretelling the Winter of Yuri...." [less than 50%] [link to bigserge.substack.com (secure)]
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
The truth is easy to remember.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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And if US is starting a recruitment there will be less will joining the armies because a lot of the US citizen are now woke
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Ukraine = democrat retirement fund.
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The West's Nordstream Pipeline destruction is the first real and undeniable act of State Sponsored Terror in this conflict.
The four annexed regions of the Donbass are once again Russian soil.

The West just pulled off Putin's white gloves for him.
Ukraine's ass will now be handed to it in an ACTUAL war with Russia.

The only "Ukraine victory" will be its national denazification.


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And if US is starting a recruitment there will be less will joining the armies because a lot of the US citizen are now woke
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Despite dropping their standards several times the army is more than 25% short in their recruitment. Canada and Britain are facing the same problem.
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Re: The War in Ukraine Has Just Begun
The West's Nordstream Pipeline destruction is the first real and undeniable act of State Sponsored Terror in this conflict.
The four annexed regions of the Donbass are[ once again Russian soil.

The West just pulled off Putin's white gloves for him.
Ukraine's ass will now be handed to it by an ACTUAL war with Russia.

The only "Ukraine victory" will be national denazification.


:putinpopcorn:
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hesright
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
 Quoting: Mr. Lee


America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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No one is coming to save us

If we don’t take to the streets it’s over
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Putin and zelensky gonna drag this shit out for decades.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
 Quoting: Mr. Lee


America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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This. Exactly this.
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What you don't like other people's opinions?

Leave it. Or I will make you my special project all night.

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Oh, boy: here comes Pedorican Joe's bot army.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
 Quoting: Mr. Lee


America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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Amen great post Op!!
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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All the grunts can do is take orders.

It's unfortunate that the people have been neutered to the point that they'd rather sit back and watch it unfold on TV.

The situation has become pathetic. Almost hopeless.
The truth is easy to remember.
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After a slow, attritional grind for much of the summer, events have begun to accelerate, calling to mind a famous quip from Vladimir Lenin: 'There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.'
 Quoting: OldCatfish


ivant Sounds like Lenin heard a similar phrase.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
 Quoting: OldCatfish


This. Exactly this.
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this and much more like it. ukraine treated russians in ukraine terribly. he saved russians. now comes WAR!
stop liberal propoganda
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
 Quoting: Mr. Lee


America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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No one is coming to save us

If we don’t take to the streets it’s over
 Quoting: Justsayno


It’s not time yet…. The left has to turn on the government. It’s the only way a “revolution” would succeed.

If they get fed up, then it will happen…. Otherwise, it’s over.

Things have not gotten bad enough yet to see how the left will react. It has to get to the point that the fake media can’t cover it up.
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After a slow, attritional grind for much of the summer, events have begun to accelerate, calling to mind a famous quip from Vladimir Lenin: 'There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.'
 Quoting: OldCatfish


:ivant: Sounds like Lenin heard a similar phrase.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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Putin and zelensky gonna drag this shit out for decades.
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The way out is for Putin to go ahead and kick some serious ass.
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Putin needs to shit or get off the pot.

Nuke the hell out of Kiev over and over, make damn sure Zelensky is there.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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You are 100% correct. It amazes me that so many people cannot see this.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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no, part of the money is funneled back to him.
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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America is under assault by foreign powers....and I don't mean Russia. Our President was overthrown in 2020 using the same modus operandi that was used to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014. And our Treasury is being drained to the order of billions of dollars by foreign thieves taking advantage of the dementia patient in D.C. All while our Marines stand by idly while it all goes down. It really is surreal to watch in realtime.
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And yet you don’t meme the ones behind it all….
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All this money is sent to Ukraine as "aid" so they can build shit, and they go "broke" and haven't built a fucking thing.

Biden takes the bait and sends more money.
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10% for the big guy!!
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I didn't read your wall of words,

but I agree that Putin will take off the kid gloves now.

The real weapons are going to be used in the coming days, and the fighters in Ukraine will get slaughtered.

The trick for Putin is not to slaughter all the Ukrainians along with the Ukrainian fighters.
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For reference the Soviets puts total of about 500,000 boots on the ground during the entirety of their Afghan campaign with no more than 120,000 in country contemporaneously. Mark Urban wrote an excellent account of that war entitled, “War in Afghanistan.”
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What you don't like other people's opinions?

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Shut the fuck up Taco Head we are Americans taking about American issues. Worry about your 3rd would shithole of Chilie.
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And if US is starting a recruitment there will be less will joining the armies because a lot of the US citizen are now woke
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Despite dropping their standards several times the army is more than 25% short in their recruitment. Canada and Britain are facing the same problem.
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If only they were more lax on the weed policies and didn't kill so many innocent women and children at Birthday parties and weddings(by accident of course)...I think they could bring that number up a few points.
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The West's Nordstream Pipeline destruction is the first real and undeniable act of State Sponsored Terror in this conflict.
The four annexed regions of the Donbass are[ once again Russian soil.

The West just pulled off Putin's white gloves for him.
Ukraine's ass will now be handed to it by an ACTUAL war with Russia.

The only "Ukraine victory" will be national denazification.


:putinpopcorn:
 Quoting: TerraFirma's Esoterrorist


hesright
 Quoting: OldCatfish


+1
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Op is 100% correct!!
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