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Own a Berkey water filter? Might want to re-think using it.

 
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Own a Berkey water filter? Might want to re-think using it. I wanted to share this while you still have time to grab an alternative.

These were pushed quite a bit throughout the Prepping community, but it almost sounds like this company may have taken advantage of many consumers, given the videos below.

These are not my videos, nor do I know this guy, but it is starting to go around with various other Youtubers who also had water tested.



Video 1 - Summary - Berkey Falsified the testing information. The filters seem to not filter the claimed contaminants, nor are they doing so to the stated ratings. When asked for test results, they replied with "estimated" results.





Video 2 - Summary - There is an ongoing class action lawsuit against Berkey. Water was sent in for 3rd party testing for NSF Std 53, and the Berkey failed horribly.

Apparently, there seems to be a class action going.


Lawsuit Link:

h t t p s ://nopeorg/embed/berkey-lawsuit-court-documents_202210

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Bump!

Because there are many people here that swear this is the holy grail of filters.

They think they're safe but they aren't.
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I used to use Alexapure but I installed a reverse osmosis filter on my well water with a water softener to add back in minerals.

My water is pretty fucking good.
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Distilling or RO are the best. Not enough active carbon in the berkies.
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STEVE QUAIL AND THE HAWK BETTER STOP ADVERTISING THIS SHIT!
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What about zero water filter? I have one of those.
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Shit then what's a good filter???
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What about zero water filter? I have one of those.
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I have no idea. I just know I asked a neighbor in my old neighborhood what water filter he preferred, he was a chemist at a county water treatment plant, and he used Alexapure. Said they were the best at filtering out fluoride, fertilizers/perrochemicals, and pharmaceutical/proto-estrogens.

Those are the biggest ones to get out.

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Shit then what's a good filter???
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water distiller using HEAT.
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how about not use a water filter
stupid health freaks
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I have Alexa.
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Shit then what's a good filter???
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I would opt for something that has actual ratings for expedition style hikers/climbers or mil usage. This may limit your selections quite a bit. I personally own a Katadyn Pocket that I've taken on quite a few hikes and it has racked up a TON of miles. [link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

I say this owning a large Berkey... and I think the Berky may still be fine as an initial mechanical filter to remove debris and sediment. I just won't ever trust it for chemical filtration. However, I could also just make my own mechanical filter out of an old food grade barrel, too...

I need to look into the ratings for the various Sawyer type filters, as well.

This whole Berkey thing sucks, because many Youtuber's were pushing these for a long time.
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Water softners using ion exchange media (which all modern softners use) only add sodium. They exchange calcium and magnesium for sodium. One other beneficial effect is they also remove heavy metals such as lead and uranium
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how about not use a water filter
stupid health freaks
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Clean drinking water is essential for life. Not really sure why wanting clean water makes someone a health freak... If these filters were coming out of China, there is no telling if they also create any future cancer risks, either, as they certainly weren't tested...
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Stick this in your berkey and call it good.


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Are the Black Berkey® Purification Elements NSF certified?

NSF certifications are not required but rather optional. In our opinion, NSF certifications are limited in their application with respect to our gravity fed purification elements. NSF Standard 42 (aesthetic effects) and Standard 53 (health effects) would specifically apply to our purification elements.

NSF Standard 42 covers systems “designed to reduce specific aesthetic or non-health-related contaminants (such as chlorine, taste and odor, and particulates) that may be present in public or private drinking water. ” This would appear to be an unnecessary certification as not only do the elements easily handle public drinking water, but also untreated raw water, exceeding what the standard would certify for.

NSF Standard 53 addresses “systems designed to reduce specific health-related contaminants, such as Cryptosporidium, Giardia, lead, VOC’s, MTBE that may be present in public or private drinking water.” The organisms mentioned are rather large in size. Our purification elements have been tested to remove not only a whole host of VOC’s but more importantly viruses, much smaller organisms. Again, this exceeds what the standard would certify for.

The tests we have conducted are much more rigorous than those required by NSF for the certifications required. Our purifiers have been rigorously tested by third-party independent accredited labs far surpassing the above standards 42 and 53. For example, our systems have been tested for the removal of hundreds of contaminants including heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, pharmaceuticals, pathogenic bacteria and viruses. These test results are published and available to all our consumers on our website as well as published in our printed literature. In addition, there has also been other highly publicized and notable testing of our purifiers against other so-called similar water filtration systems which clearly back up our third-party testing.

The cost for NSF certification is also very expensive. Each configuration of each system would have to be certified. If you include the sport bottle and all purification systems offered, that’s 16 separate certifications (times 2 standards). At an estimated cost of $10,000 per system configuration, that’s around $320,000, plus yearly maintenance fees. As you can see, it’s difficult to justify the cost required, just to obtain certifications that the elements already exceed.
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I drink natural spring water from a local aquifer. Talk about good water
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Own a Berkey water filter? Might want to re-think using it. I wanted to share this while you still have time to grab an alternative.

These were pushed quite a bit throughout the Prepping community, but it almost sounds like this company may have taken advantage of many consumers, given the videos below.

These are not my videos, nor do I know this guy, but it is starting to go around with various other Youtubers who also had water tested.



Video 1 - Summary - Berkey Falsified the testing information. The filters seem to not filter the claimed contaminants, nor are they doing so to the stated ratings. When asked for test results, they replied with "estimated" results.





Video 2 - Summary - There is an ongoing class action lawsuit against Berkey. Water was sent in for 3rd party testing for NSF Std 53, and the Berkey failed horribly.

Apparently, there seems to be a class action going.

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Shit. FIVE STARS... and I have a Berkey.
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Are the Black Berkey® Purification Elements NSF certified?

NSF certifications are not required but rather optional. In our opinion, NSF certifications are limited in their application with respect to our gravity fed purification elements. NSF Standard 42 (aesthetic effects) and Standard 53 (health effects) would specifically apply to our purification elements.

NSF Standard 42 covers systems “designed to reduce specific aesthetic or non-health-related contaminants (such as chlorine, taste and odor, and particulates) that may be present in public or private drinking water. ” This would appear to be an unnecessary certification as not only do the elements easily handle public drinking water, but also untreated raw water, exceeding what the standard would certify for.

NSF Standard 53 addresses “systems designed to reduce specific health-related contaminants, such as Cryptosporidium, Giardia, lead, VOC’s, MTBE that may be present in public or private drinking water.” The organisms mentioned are rather large in size. Our purification elements have been tested to remove not only a whole host of VOC’s but more importantly viruses, much smaller organisms. Again, this exceeds what the standard would certify for.

The tests we have conducted are much more rigorous than those required by NSF for the certifications required. Our purifiers have been rigorously tested by third-party independent accredited labs far surpassing the above standards 42 and 53. For example, our systems have been tested for the removal of hundreds of contaminants including heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, pharmaceuticals, pathogenic bacteria and viruses. These test results are published and available to all our consumers on our website as well as published in our printed literature. In addition, there has also been other highly publicized and notable testing of our purifiers against other so-called similar water filtration systems which clearly back up our third-party testing.

The cost for NSF certification is also very expensive. Each configuration of each system would have to be certified. If you include the sport bottle and all purification systems offered, that’s 16 separate certifications (times 2 standards). At an estimated cost of $10,000 per system configuration, that’s around $320,000, plus yearly maintenance fees. As you can see, it’s difficult to justify the cost required, just to obtain certifications that the elements already exceed.
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You need to watch the video. That marketing material is worthless.
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RO, then distill.

It’s the only way..
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The 'Forever Chemicals" are a concern, PFAS, PFOA , etc.
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I have one sitting around but never used it.

We have pure spring water that literally pours out of the ground and needs no treatment other than once a year bleaching. This is the best source of water.
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I drink natural spring water from a local aquifer. Talk about good water
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It may taste OK but it will have farm chemicals in it..
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Stick this in your berkey and call it good.


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Those also don't look to be NSF tested. They also boast higher than NSF ratings. I am not sure how that works, as I don't know a lot about the Alexapure, but I imagine this class action is going to roll to similar filters that fail actual testing.
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Own a Berkey water filter? Might want to re-think using it. I wanted to share this while you still have time to grab an alternative.

These were pushed quite a bit throughout the Prepping community, but it almost sounds like this company may have taken advantage of many consumers, given the videos below.

These are not my videos, nor do I know this guy, but it is starting to go around with various other Youtubers who also had water tested.



Video 1 - Summary - Berkey Falsified the testing information. The filters seem to not filter the claimed contaminants, nor are they doing so to the stated ratings. When asked for test results, they replied with "estimated" results.





Video 2 - Summary - There is an ongoing class action lawsuit against Berkey. Water was sent in for 3rd party testing for NSF Std 53, and the Berkey failed horribly.

Apparently, there seems to be a class action going.


Lawsuit Link:

h t t p s ://nopeorg/embed/berkey-lawsuit-court-documents_202210
 Quoting: ifSHTF


So what water filter do you recommend?

I own a Berkey to make tap water taste better.

I don't regularly filter out pond water to drink, just tap water.

Works good for me.
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Own a Berkey water filter? Might want to re-think using it. I wanted to share this while you still have time to grab an alternative.

These were pushed quite a bit throughout the Prepping community, but it almost sounds like this company may have taken advantage of many consumers, given the videos below.

These are not my videos, nor do I know this guy, but it is starting to go around with various other Youtubers who also had water tested.



Video 1 - Summary - Berkey Falsified the testing information. The filters seem to not filter the claimed contaminants, nor are they doing so to the stated ratings. When asked for test results, they replied with "estimated" results.





Video 2 - Summary - There is an ongoing class action lawsuit against Berkey. Water was sent in for 3rd party testing for NSF Std 53, and the Berkey failed horribly.

Apparently, there seems to be a class action going.


Lawsuit Link:

h t t p s ://nopeorg/embed/berkey-lawsuit-court-documents_202210
 Quoting: ifSHTF


So what water filter do you recommend?

I own a Berkey to make tap water taste better.

I don't regularly filter out pond water to drink, just tap water.

Works good for me.
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We use an under counter RO system with our well and it does fine for us. For normal tap water that already has most impurities removed, a Zero filter or some type of carbon activated pitcher would probably be fine.
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Anyone have opinions or experience on LifeStraw?
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Bump!

Because there are many people here that swear this is the holy grail of filters.

They think they're safe but they aren't.
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Wish I could say I was surprised. but... yeah. I'm not.

I've personally stuck with distilled water for some time now and it has had some really great benefits. some people believe the bs that it 'drains you of precious minerals' but that is also bs. in fact, if you are suffering kidney stones a lot? might want to start drinking distilled water. you may just find it cures you of that shit.
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To filter organics like bacteria and viruses

There is a cool filter pump based on nano tube

No filter element to replace ... it just works without additional components forever ie till it breaks

It costs 2 or 4 hundred

BUT IT DOESNT REMOVE inorganic yoxins like arsenic etc they're too small and go thru the nano tube

Best would be to use a combo of this and a Carbon filter

Distilling removes many toxins also





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