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Starlink used in attack against Russian Black Sea Fleet? Now a legitimate target? | |
| nemo_solus
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 78512090  Moldova10/30/2022 12:09 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 78756435 Moldova10/30/2022 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then Starlink reveals its final form, transforming into the Rods from God super weapon and laying waste to the entire Donbass. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84586537 The Starlink sats aren't big enough for that purpose, fortunately. But, they certainly have other uses as tracking systems and ISR aside from communications: [link to www.livescience.com (secure)] Last Edited by nemo_solus on 10/30/2022 12:23 PM |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 78756435 Moldova10/30/2022 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elon has said Starlink is for peaceful purposes only, I hope his word is good: [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84580506  United States10/30/2022 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84146480 United States10/30/2022 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 78756435 Moldova10/30/2022 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why wouldn't it be? Starlink is infrastructure all infrastructure is a target in war. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84146480 I understand the reasoning, and really at the the end of the day "might makes right", but there are legal definitions of what is a legitimate target or not, including dual-use infrastructure: [link to sites.duke.edu (secure)] Can the electrical power system used by civilians be a lawful “military objective”? Quoting: Perhaps the most primary of all the LOAC rules is the principle of distinction, that is, the prohibition on directing attacks against civilians or civilian objects. That said, an object may be civilian-owned and used by civilians yet still be directly attacked as a lawful target under certain circumstances. What are those circumstances? As a threshold matter, the object must be shown to be a military objective. The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) Law of War Manual (DoD LoW Manual) defines military objectives this way (¶5.6.3): Military objectives, insofar as objects are concerned, include “any object which by its nature, location, purpose or use makes an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.” Can a civilian-owned and operated electrical system qualify as a military objective? The DoD LoW Manual (¶ 5.6.8.5) says: Electric power stations are generally recognized to be of sufficient importance to a State’s capacity to meet its wartime needs of communication, transport, and industry so as usually to qualify as military objectives during armed conflicts. As in the case of electricity, it is clear that Starlink is a legitimate, lawful target if being used to give an "effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81475502  South Africa10/31/2022 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 83853218 United States10/31/2022 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Didn't see any search results on this come back, but there has apparently been a lot of electronic warfare/jamming/hacking attempts made on the satellites. |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 77094877  Belgium10/31/2022 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was hoping to hear some other thoughts on what the control link was for these boats. Based on the photos, it doesn't have any directional antennas up high enough to clear any amount of wave height. The antenna is likely pointing straight up - to either a high flying relay/control platform or to a satellite. The satellite solution seems to make the most sense to me, but again, was hoping to hear some other suggestions. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80355890  Cambodia10/31/2022 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84593702  Serbia10/31/2022 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elon has said Starlink is for peaceful purposes only, I hope his word is good: Quoting: nemo_solus [link to twitter.com (secure)] Riiiight... I'm more inclined to believe Ukrainian drone operators on the ground. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ukraine has made itself the absolutely perfect testing ground for low-orbit anti-satellite nuclear detonation (the likes of the recently simulated one by the Chinese military). Russians most likely won't use this perfect opportunity, like they didn't use any previous ones, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a perfect opportunity... to wipe out all U.S. military satellites in vicinity (both in low or high orbit) under the pretext of going after the Starlink ones. |
| ChugALugging
User ID: 83240963 United States10/31/2022 01:20 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now i know why,in order to give Ukraine free internet ... We got rid of it...Forget that... 99 bucks was bad enough...then it went up to 110...Sent a email to Elon telling him....DONT YOU HAVE ENOUGH ??? FOR GOODNESS SAKES...GREEDY BASTARD... Romans 14:11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God. Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79518897  United Kingdom10/31/2022 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79128818 United States10/31/2022 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were given a warning maybe a month ago, backed off for a while and are now back at it. The illegitimate globalist cabal ruling over the West will stop at nothing to destroy Russia. They need to recognize this and use every available means to destroy the West before the west destroys Russia and then humanity itself. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74848505 United States10/31/2022 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was hoping to hear some other thoughts on what the control link was for these boats. Quoting: nemo_solus Based on the photos, it doesn't have any directional antennas up high enough to clear any amount of wave height. The antenna is likely pointing straight up - to either a high flying relay/control platform or to a satellite. The satellite solution seems to make the most sense to me, but again, was hoping to hear some other suggestions. guess... laser. reconnaissance teams, planes, or satellites paint the target with laser the boat drives itself to the light like a moth |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 82300906  Finland11/04/2022 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elon has said Starlink is for peaceful purposes only, I hope his word is good: Quoting: nemo_solus [link to twitter.com (secure)] Riiiight... I'm more inclined to believe Ukrainian drone operators on the ground. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ukraine has made itself the absolutely perfect testing ground for low-orbit anti-satellite nuclear detonation (the likes of the recently simulated one by the Chinese military). Russians most likely won't use this perfect opportunity, like they didn't use any previous ones, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a perfect opportunity... to wipe out all U.S. military satellites in vicinity (both in low or high orbit) under the pretext of going after the Starlink ones. Going after any of them is likely to get out of hand quickly. |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 82300906 Finland11/04/2022 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had starlink from Jan-may till Elon raised the price... Quoting: ChugALugging Now i know why,in order to give Ukraine free internet ... We got rid of it...Forget that... 99 bucks was bad enough...then it went up to 110...Sent a email to Elon telling him....DONT YOU HAVE ENOUGH ??? FOR GOODNESS SAKES...GREEDY BASTARD... Gave Starlink a trial myself too but decided I didn't like the fact that you can't get a real IP address. Also didn't find the economics to be favorable after the price increase as well. Really didn't like the poor experience of canceling Starlink either. Being only on a month to month basis, I figured giving them over a weeks notice and canceling service early would have been sufficient. No, they still tried to generate an Invoice and collect for the next month as well. The only way to interact with them is through the "app" and online chat where they can offer up all sorts of vague wording and weak noncommittal responses. Had to dispute the charges through the credit card company, but in the end won and had the charges reversed. |
| nemo_solus
(OP) User ID: 82300906 Finland11/04/2022 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was hoping to hear some other thoughts on what the control link was for these boats. Quoting: nemo_solus Based on the photos, it doesn't have any directional antennas up high enough to clear any amount of wave height. The antenna is likely pointing straight up - to either a high flying relay/control platform or to a satellite. The satellite solution seems to make the most sense to me, but again, was hoping to hear some other suggestions. guess... laser. reconnaissance teams, planes, or satellites paint the target with laser the boat drives itself to the light like a moth Had considered some sort of laser designator, but I really don't think the drone is self piloted. https://twitter.com/_/status/1586363908071489536 If you watch the video of the LWIR and visible cameras, it's clear the drone is controlled remotely to evade while targeting. You can see it stop and look around to reorient the operator. On the visible or LWIR camera video you also don't see any indication of designation either. Plus, the fact that recorded video up until impact is available at all strongly indicates a real-time remote video link. Last Edited by nemo_solus on 11/04/2022 10:53 PM |
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