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Many Believe that Belief in God and Faith in GOD are the Same Thing

 
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Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles.
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Re: Many Believe that Belief in God and Faith in GOD are the Same Thing
If you tell your gf that you love her, but you never DO anything to show that love, is she going to believe you?
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We get it, we get it, OP. Someone might say they think some thing is true but then their actions don't show it so maybe they are playing some thing, cool, very deep.
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Believing in God is not the same as believing God's existence.

OP, you are playing games. A plain reading of the Bible is clear. Your mental gymnastics word twisting is only for obsufucation and confusion.
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I'm saying belief won't cut it alone. Faith requires action. I think it is you playing word games(just my opinion).
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You are creating complications for a very simple thing that can be understood with a plain reading of the Bible withotu all that extra stuff you're adding in there.

Believing in God is faith. Faith produces action, but it does not require action. Faith comes first, then action. Action is not a prerequisite for faith. Just like a tree planted in good soil and watered by the living water produces good fruit, the seed must be planted first in good soil (faith in God), then later the fruit (action) comes.

The Bible very clearly defines faith in Hebrews 11:1, which I alredy quoted, and it does not say it requires action. It is action that requires faith, not the other way around! Faith in God produces good fruit that glorifies God. Faith in the idols produces bad fruit.

Everyone has faith in something, and you can tell by their fruits what their faith is in.

In Hebrews 11, those men had faith first, and already having this faith, that is what caused them to act in faith. The acts of faith require faith to be there first, not the other way around.

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Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions.
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If you tell your gf that you love her, but you never DO anything to show that love, is she going to believe you?
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And how many people do bad things, even sin, in the name of "love?"

If you love God, you want to please Him, you want to do what He wants you to do. It's as simple as that. You cannot prove anything to God or convince Him. He is all-knowing and knows you better than yourself. He is perfect in wisdom and cannot be convinced differently than His perfect wisdom.

You cannot do anything to earn God's love. It is a free gift from God that you simply accept or reject. If you accept, you die to self and Christ lives in you, and He acts in you and through you. So, your faith in Christ comes first.
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Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions.
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I will tell you again. Believing in God is the same as faith in God. There is no distinction. You are adding your own extra stuff and complicating it. THe gospel is simple for even children to understand. It does not require all this semantical gerrymandering you are doing.
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And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith.
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Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions.
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I will tell you again. Believing in God is the same as faith in God. There is no distinction. You are adding your own extra stuff and complicating it. THe gospel is simple for even children to understand. It does not require all this semantical gerrymandering you are doing.
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James said faith without deeds is dead. Was he wrong?
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And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith.
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"Faith is Action based on..."

Your first words.
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'Faith' and 'Belief' are the second cousins of Gnosis and live toothless smoking crack in trailer parks.
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Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions.
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Don't muddle about in the shadows.
We have pretty much burned our bridges at this point. Unless you’re prepared to mindf*ck yourself, and gaslight yourself, and confess, and convert, there’s no going back to “normal” society (which we couldn’t go back to anyway, on account of how it doesn’t exist anymore) — CJ Hopkins
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Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions.
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I will tell you again. Believing in God is the same as faith in God. There is no distinction. You are adding your own extra stuff and complicating it. THe gospel is simple for even children to understand. It does not require all this semantical gerrymandering you are doing.
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James said faith without deeds is dead. Was he wrong?
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Did God say believing in God is different than faith?
Did God say faith requires action?
Those are things you said. Not what the Bible says.

The Bible tells us the action "fruit" tells us about the faith. This action, by the way, includes speaking, which you dismiss for some reason as seen in your girfriend example. When you use words to comfort, encourage, build up, admonish, and spread the gospel, that is fruit. THe power of the tongue can be wielded for much evil (bad fruit) as well. Don't underestimate the power of the tongue, lest you recklessly misuse it.
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And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith.
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"Faith is Action based on..."

Your first words.
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do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed?
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And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith.
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"Faith is Action based on..."

Your first words.
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do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed?
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Did God require the woman to be there to heal her?
Was she faithless if she stayed at home?

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And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith.
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"Faith is Action based on..."

Your first words.
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do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed?
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Ok, so, I guess for fun we suppose that that passage simply has to be true and has some kind of deep meaning?

Then, uh... Maybe. Depends what facet of God God wanted to teach that day. Maybe He it was a Tuesday and He was in a real gracious mood? Who knows? Who cares?

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And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith.
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"Faith is Action based on..."

Your first words.
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do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed?
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Did God require the woman to be there to heal her?
Was she faithless if she stayed at home?
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I don't understand your first question. As to the second, she might not have been faithless, but she wouldn't have been acting in faith.
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Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles.
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2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven.
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If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
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"Faith is Action based on..."

Your first words.
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do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956


Did God require the woman to be there to heal her?
Was she faithless if she stayed at home?
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I don't understand your first question. As to the second, she might not have been faithless, but she wouldn't have been acting in faith.
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Your judgement is simply not supported by the Bible. You assume God healed her because of something she did to prove her faith, as if God didn't already know her faith. God's grace is not by our works.

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If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
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Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He?
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If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He?
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Do you know? If not, why do you judge a woman faithless?
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If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He?
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Sorry, Iwas still thinking of the women with the issue of blood, not your hypothetical one. My bad.
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Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles.
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2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven.
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Yep! Believing in the invisible God is faith! Hebrew 11:1 is very clear! No extra fluff needed!
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If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956


Do you know? If not, why do you judge a woman faithless?
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Which women are you talking about? I never said either was faithless.
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If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956


Sorry, Iwas still thinking of the women with the issue of blood, not your hypothetical one. My bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956


If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith?

And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith?

Faith leads to obedience.
 Quoting: Weyoun


Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956


Do you know? If not, why do you judge a woman faithless?
 Quoting: Weyoun


Which women are you talking about? I never said either was faithless.
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It doesn't matter.

Faith leads to obedience. Obedience is the action that comes from faith.

A preacher can be very "successful" superficialy, but is he faithful (to God)?

A man who faithfully prays quietly in his home, seen only by God, is more faithful than a heretic preacher of false teaching that draws thousads in crowds and millions in donations.

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Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles.
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2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79466719


Yep! Believing in the invisible God is faith! Hebrew 11:1 is very clear! No extra fluff needed!
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what reward beyond eternal life is belief alone going to get you?
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sure... why not
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Re: Many Believe that Belief in God and Faith in GOD are the Same Thing
Again I ask... was James wrong?
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Again I ask... was James wrong?
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I already answered this.
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Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956

2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79466719


Yep! Believing in the invisible God is faith! Hebrew 11:1 is very clear! No extra fluff needed!
 Quoting: Weyoun


what reward beyond eternal life is belief alone going to get you?
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What relevance to your claims? But regardless, I am content with whatever God gives me.
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Re: Many Believe that Belief in God and Faith in GOD are the Same Thing
James said more or less without action your belief in God is worthless. Was he inspired by God to say that or not?





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