Many Believe that Belief in God and Faith in GOD are the Same Thing | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40920621 United States 11/22/2022 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 Thread: Faith is Trust. Do you Trust Father God and His Son? - Bible Study ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83751791 United States 11/22/2022 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you tell your gf that you love her, but you never DO anything to show that love, is she going to believe you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 We get it, we get it, OP. Someone might say they think some thing is true but then their actions don't show it so maybe they are playing some thing, cool, very deep. |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Believing in God is not the same as believing God's existence. Quoting: Weyoun OP, you are playing games. A plain reading of the Bible is clear. Your mental gymnastics word twisting is only for obsufucation and confusion. I'm saying belief won't cut it alone. Faith requires action. I think it is you playing word games(just my opinion). You are creating complications for a very simple thing that can be understood with a plain reading of the Bible withotu all that extra stuff you're adding in there. Believing in God is faith. Faith produces action, but it does not require action. Faith comes first, then action. Action is not a prerequisite for faith. Just like a tree planted in good soil and watered by the living water produces good fruit, the seed must be planted first in good soil (faith in God), then later the fruit (action) comes. The Bible very clearly defines faith in Hebrews 11:1, which I alredy quoted, and it does not say it requires action. It is action that requires faith, not the other way around! Faith in God produces good fruit that glorifies God. Faith in the idols produces bad fruit. Everyone has faith in something, and you can tell by their fruits what their faith is in. In Hebrews 11, those men had faith first, and already having this faith, that is what caused them to act in faith. The acts of faith require faith to be there first, not the other way around. Last Edited by Weyoun on 11/22/2022 09:58 PM |
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Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you tell your gf that you love her, but you never DO anything to show that love, is she going to believe you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 And how many people do bad things, even sin, in the name of "love?" If you love God, you want to please Him, you want to do what He wants you to do. It's as simple as that. You cannot prove anything to God or convince Him. He is all-knowing and knows you better than yourself. He is perfect in wisdom and cannot be convinced differently than His perfect wisdom. You cannot do anything to earn God's love. It is a free gift from God that you simply accept or reject. If you accept, you die to self and Christ lives in you, and He acts in you and through you. So, your faith in Christ comes first. |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 I will tell you again. Believing in God is the same as faith in God. There is no distinction. You are adding your own extra stuff and complicating it. THe gospel is simple for even children to understand. It does not require all this semantical gerrymandering you are doing. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 I will tell you again. Believing in God is the same as faith in God. There is no distinction. You are adding your own extra stuff and complicating it. THe gospel is simple for even children to understand. It does not require all this semantical gerrymandering you are doing. |
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St Tidbits the Odd
User ID: 77547432 Canada 11/22/2022 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Faith' and 'Belief' are the second cousins of Gnosis and live toothless smoking crack in trailer parks. Quoting: St Tidbits the Odd Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 Don't muddle about in the shadows. Soulless fake humans are already AI. They get triggered by particular words, symbols etc. They can't really bother about the meaning. They just look for the trigger words. Their language & comprehension skills are 0. Some bots have bods, others don't. Cara Is Spirit |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Belief comes first, it is the seed planted in the soil (us) fed by hearing the word of God, that produces faith which is manifested in actions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 I will tell you again. Believing in God is the same as faith in God. There is no distinction. You are adding your own extra stuff and complicating it. THe gospel is simple for even children to understand. It does not require all this semantical gerrymandering you are doing. Did God say believing in God is different than faith? Did God say faith requires action? Those are things you said. Not what the Bible says. The Bible tells us the action "fruit" tells us about the faith. This action, by the way, includes speaking, which you dismiss for some reason as seen in your girfriend example. When you use words to comfort, encourage, build up, admonish, and spread the gospel, that is fruit. THe power of the tongue can be wielded for much evil (bad fruit) as well. Don't underestimate the power of the tongue, lest you recklessly misuse it. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 "Faith is Action based on..." Your first words. do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed? |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 "Faith is Action based on..." Your first words. do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed? Did God require the woman to be there to heal her? Was she faithless if she stayed at home? Last Edited by Weyoun on 11/22/2022 10:32 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83751791 United States 11/22/2022 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 "Faith is Action based on..." Your first words. do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed? Ok, so, I guess for fun we suppose that that passage simply has to be true and has some kind of deep meaning? Then, uh... Maybe. Depends what facet of God God wanted to teach that day. Maybe He it was a Tuesday and He was in a real gracious mood? Who knows? Who cares? Seems you'd benefit from reading Superbook: [link to www.superbooktract.com (secure)] Don't fear the non-https, it ran out, and I forgot how to renew it. The site is safe. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said action was a prerequisite of faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 "Faith is Action based on..." Your first words. do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed? Did God require the woman to be there to heal her? Was she faithless if she stayed at home? I don't understand your first question. As to the second, she might not have been faithless, but she wouldn't have been acting in faith. |
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Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do you think the women with the issue of blood would have been healed if she stayed at home and just believed? Did God require the woman to be there to heal her? Was she faithless if she stayed at home? I don't understand your first question. As to the second, she might not have been faithless, but she wouldn't have been acting in faith. Your judgement is simply not supported by the Bible. You assume God healed her because of something she did to prove her faith, as if God didn't already know her faith. God's grace is not by our works. Last Edited by Weyoun on 11/22/2022 10:45 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? Quoting: Weyoun And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He? |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? Quoting: Weyoun And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He? Do you know? If not, why do you judge a woman faithless? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? Quoting: Weyoun And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He? Sorry, Iwas still thinking of the women with the issue of blood, not your hypothetical one. My bad. |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven. Yep! Believing in the invisible God is faith! Hebrew 11:1 is very clear! No extra fluff needed! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? Quoting: Weyoun And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He? Do you know? If not, why do you judge a woman faithless? Which women are you talking about? I never said either was faithless. |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? Quoting: Weyoun And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He? Sorry, Iwas still thinking of the women with the issue of blood, not your hypothetical one. My bad. If God told a woman to stay at home, but she is a proud femenist and defies God and goes out to be a traveling preacher, thinking she's a "strong woman" and out to prove God wrong. Did she have faith? Quoting: Weyoun And if she obeyed God and stayed at home, did she have faith? Faith leads to obedience. Was this feminist's ministry successful? Staying home, if God told her to, would have been the faithful thing to do. Did He? Do you know? If not, why do you judge a woman faithless? Which women are you talking about? I never said either was faithless. It doesn't matter. Faith leads to obedience. Obedience is the action that comes from faith. A preacher can be very "successful" superficialy, but is he faithful (to God)? A man who faithfully prays quietly in his home, seen only by God, is more faithful than a heretic preacher of false teaching that draws thousads in crowds and millions in donations. Last Edited by Weyoun on 11/22/2022 10:57 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4508956 United States 11/22/2022 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven. Yep! Believing in the invisible God is faith! Hebrew 11:1 is very clear! No extra fluff needed! what reward beyond eternal life is belief alone going to get you? |
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Weyoun
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Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/22/2022 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not true. Faith is Action based on Belief sustained by Confidence. The devil believes in God and trembles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4508956 2+2=4. I BELIEVE this to be true and can prove it to you. FAITH is the Belief in something that cannot be proven. Yep! Believing in the invisible God is faith! Hebrew 11:1 is very clear! No extra fluff needed! what reward beyond eternal life is belief alone going to get you? What relevance to your claims? But regardless, I am content with whatever God gives me. |
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