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The mainstream economic paradigm is flawed in an axiomatic fashion; you cannot cure the problem using the same type of reasoning that caused the problem.
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The system of representation known as "tuns" (tens) was an old Anglo-Saxon system that probably would work more effectively than what we have now. Learn more here:

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AMERICA DIED WHEN THEY KILLED KENNEDY
Gerald Celente and Judge Napolitano - ten minute video:

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I don't try to define "dollar" - my posts are an attempt to define "money."

My definition: Money is not a thing; money is a method of transferring ownership of things.

Since money is a "method" or a technique; money is actually a communication of ownership of real stuff by proxy.

As such, there is no danger of collapse of "money."

There is an almost certain danger of collapse of faith in "dollar."

Two general and interlocking presumptions keep people locked into the same thought cycle. The first presumption is that money is a *thing* , and the second presumption is that money is a natural monopoly best controlled by a centralized "authority."

The following rational is to show how money can actually be a variety of methods of transferring things of value by proxy, and these methods can operate at competition thus filling Hayek's premise in "DENATIONALIZATION OF MONEY."

There are three general categories of things of value that could be the basis for issuance of money.

1. Commodities and finished products held for claim can be the basis for a form of warehouse receipt - a bearer title instrument.
2. A promise to create and deliver something of value in the future - the promissory note - a form of a contract.
3. Human time as represented by a symbol such as the Ithaca Hour and redeemable in human intellectual and physical labor.


Each of these categories could in turn be broken down into general classes of total value.

1. Commodities, Products, Promises, and Time of high value and backed by insurance policies and/or performance bonds. Guaranteed redemption.
2. Commodities, Products, Promises, and Time of moderate or medium value backed by cross collateralization such as cooperative membership and/or corporation stock, and/or union affiliation in the case of Time Symbols. The second class of value might be backed by a formalized system of mutual credit.
3. Commodities, Products, Promises, and Time of low value could be transmitted without guarantee other than word of mouth recommendation and/or reputation records such as e-bay keeps on buyers and sellers.


Examining this structure in some depth you start to see that an entire matrix of things that can be money appears.

When you see that money is actually a method or set of methods of conveying ownership by proxy, then it becomes readily apparent that there should never be any shortage of money.

It is the limitation of money to be a single *thing* (things are found in limited quantities) rather than money as a communication that control freaks who steal by lying are enabled of their fraud.

Using precious metals for your "utterance" of money is essentially an anti-counterfeiting measure. Study out what the casinos do to issue gambling chips - they have a counterfeiting problem too, and have solved that problem by a variety of techniques.
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Add to this: There are three general categories of things of value that could be the basis for issuance of money.

1. Commodities and finished products held for claim can be the basis for a form of warehouse receipt - a bearer title instrument.
2. A promise to create and deliver something of value in the future - the promissory note - a form of a contract.
3. Human time as represented by a symbol such as the Ithaca Hour and redeemable in human intellectual and physical labor.

Add two categories;
4. a unit of energy defined in kilowatt hours of electricity but redeemable in liquid or gaseous fuels or possibly even coal. In Schwanenkirchen Bavaria in the 1930s a note payable in coal was issued and used throughout Germany as currency.
5. a cereal grain note payable in the common cereal grains plus beans and peas. In other words a form of food money.
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No CBDC wanted in Europe. Massive riots right now; three minute video on BitChute:

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This report came from Richard Sutphen about 1995. Advertising and subliminal persuasion tactics discussed:

Persuasion Techniques

Persuasion isn't technically brainwashing but it is the manipulation of the human mind by another individual, without the manipulated party being aware what caused his opinion shift. I only have time to very basically introduce you to a few of the thousands of techniques in use today, but the basis of persuasion is always to access your right brain. The left half of your brain is analytical and rational. The right side is creative and imaginative. That is overly simplified but it makes my point. So, the idea is to distract the left brain and keep it busy. Ideally, the persuader generates an eyes-open altered state of consciousness, causing you to shift from beta awareness into alpha; this can be measured on an EEG machine.

"Yes Set"

First, let me give you an example of distracting the left brain. Politicians use these powerful techniques all the time; lawyers use many variations which, I've been told, they call "tightening the noose."

Assume for a moment that you are watching a politician give a speech. First, he might generate what is called a "yes set." These are statements that will cause listeners to agree; they might even unknowingly nod their heads in agreement. Next come the truisms. These are usually facts that could be debated but, once the politician has his audience agreeing, the odds are in the politician's favor that the audience won't stop to think for themselves, thus continuing to agree. Last comes the suggestion. This is what the politician wants you to do and, since you have been agreeing all along, you could be persuaded to accept the suggestion. Now, if you'll listen closely to my political speech, you'll find that the first three are the "yes set," the next three are truisms and the last is the suggestion.

"Ladies and gentlemen: are you angry about high food prices? Are you tired of astronomical gas prices? Are you sick of out-of-control inflation? Well, you know the Other Party allowed 18 percent inflation last year; you know crime has increased 50 percent nationwide in the last 12 months, and you know your paycheck hardly covers your expenses any more. Well, the answer to resolving these problems is to elect me, John Jones, to the U.S. Senate."

Embedded Commands

And I think you've heard all that before. But you might also watch for what are called embedded commands. As an example: On key words, the speaker would make a gesture with his left hand, which research has shown is more apt to access your right brain. Today's media-oriented politicians and spellbinders are often carefully trained by a whole new breed of specialist who are using every trick in the book--both old and new--to manipulate you into accepting their candidate.

The Power of NLP

The concepts and techniques of Neuro-Linguistics [Programming] are so heavily protected that I found out the hard way that to even talk about them publicly or in print results in threatened legal action. Yet Neuro-Linguistic training is readily available to anyone willing to devote the time and pay the price. It is some of the most subtle and powerful manipulation I have yet been exposed to. A good friend who recently attended a two-week seminar on Neuro-Linguistics found that many of those she talked to during the breaks were government people.

Interspersal Technique

Another technique that I'm just learning about is unbelievably slippery; it is called an interspersal technique and the idea is to say one thing with words but plant a subconscious impression of something else in the minds of the listeners and/or watchers.

Practical Examples

Let me give you an example: Assume you are watching a television commentator make the following statement: Senator Johnson is assisting local authorities to clear up the stupid mistakes of companies contributing to the nuclear waste problems." It sounds like a statement of fact, but, if the speaker emphasizes the right word, and especially if he makes the proper hand gestures on the key words, you could be left with the subconscious impression that Senator Johnson is stupid. That was the subliminal goal of the statement and the speaker cannot be called to account for anything.

Persuasion techniques are also frequently used on a much smaller scale with just as much effectiveness. The insurance salesman knows his pitch is likely to be much more effective if he can get you to visualize something in your mind. This is right-brain communication [E.g. generates emotions]. For instance, he might pause in his conversation, look slowly around your livingroom and say, "Can you just imagine this beautiful home burning to the ground?" Of course you can! It is one of your unconscious fears and, when he forces you to visualize it, you are more likely to be manipulated into signing his insurance policy.

Shock and Confusion

The Hare Krishnas, operating in every airport, use what I call shock and confusion techniques to distract the left brain and communicate directly with the right brain. While waiting for a plane, I once watched one operate for over an hour. He had a technique of almost jumping in front of someone. Initially, his voice was loud then dropped as he made his pitch to take a book and contribute money to the cause. Usually, when people are shocked, they immediately withdraw. In this case they were shocked by the strange appearance, sudden materialization and loud voice of the Hare Krishna devotee. In other words, the people went into an alpha state for security because they didn't want to confront the reality before them.

In alpha, they were highly suggestible so they responded to the suggestion of taking the book; the moment they took the book, they felt guilty and responded to the second suggestion: give money. We are all conditioned that if someone gives us something, we have to give them something in return--in that case, it was money. While watching this hustler, I was close enough to notice that many of the people he stopped exhibited an outward sign of alpha--their eyes were actually dilated.

Subliminal Programming

Subliminals are hidden suggestions that only your subconscious perceives. They can be audio, hidden behind music, or visual, airbrushed into a picture, flashed on a screen so fast that you don't consciously see them, or cleverly incorporated into a picture or design.

Most audio subliminal reprogramming tapes offer verbal suggestions recorded at a low volume. I question the efficacy of this technique--if subliminals are not perceptible, they cannot be effective, and subliminals recorded below the audible threshold are therefore useless. The oldest audio subliminal technique uses a voice that follows the volume of the music so subliminals are impossible to detect without a parametric equalizer. But this technique is patented and, when I wanted to develop my own line of subliminal audiocassettes, negotiations with the patent holder proved to be unsatisfactory.

My attorney obtained copies of the patents which I gave to some talented Hollywood sound engineers, asking them to create a new technique. They found a way to psycho-acoustically modify and synthesize the suggestions so that they are projected in the same chord and frequency as the music, thus giving them the effect of being part of the music. But we found that in using this technique, there is no way to reduce various frequencies to detect the subliminals. In other words, although the suggestions are being heard by the subconscious mind, they cannot be monitored with even the most sophisticated equipment.

If we were able to come up with this technique as easily as we did, I can only imagine how sophisticated the technology has become, with unlimited government or advertising funding. And I shudder to think about the propaganda and commercial manipulation that we are exposed to on a daily basis. There is simply no way to know what is behind the music you hear. It may even be possible to hide a second voice behind the voice to which you are listening.

The series by Wilson Bryan Key, Ph.D., on subliminals in advertising and political campaigns well documents the misuse in many areas, especially printed advertising in newspapers, magazines, and posters.

The big question about subliminals is: do they work? And I guarantee you they do. Not only from the response of those who have used my tapes, but from the results of such programs as the subliminals behind the music in department stores. Supposedly, the only message is instructions to not steal: one East Coast department store chain reported a 37 percent reduction in thefts in the first nine months of testing.

A 1984 article in the technical newsletter, "Brain-Mind Bulletin," states that as much as 99 percent of our cognitive activity may be "non-conscious," according to the director of the Laboratory for Cognitive Psychophysiology at the University of Illinois. The lengthy report ends with the statement, "these findings support the use of subliminal approaches such as taped suggestions for weight loss and the therapeutic use of hypnosis and Neuro-Linguistic Programming."

Mass Misuse of Subliminal Programming

I could relate many stories that support subliminal programming, but I'd rather use my time to make you aware of even more subtle uses of such programming.

I have personally experienced sitting in a Los Angeles auditorium with over ten thousand people who were gathered to listen to a current charismatic figure. Twenty minutes after entering the auditorium, I became aware that I was going in and out of an altered state. Those accompanying me experienced the same thing. Since it is our business, we were aware of what was happening, but those around us were not. By careful observation, what appeared to be spontaneous demonstrations were, in fact, artful manipulations. The only way I could figure that the eyes-open trance had been induced was that a 6- to 7-cycle-per-second vibration was being piped into the room behind the air conditioner sound. That particular vibration generates alpha, which would render the audience highly susceptible. Ten to 25 percent of the population is capable of a somnambulistic level of altered states of consciousness; for these people, the suggestions of the speaker, if non-threatening, could potentially be accepted as "commands."

Vibrato

This leads to the mention of vibrato. Vibrato is the tremulous effect imparted in some vocal or instrumental music, and the cyle-per-second range causes people to go into an altered state of consciousness. At one period of English history, singers whose voices contained pronounced vibrato were not allowed to perform publicly because listeners would go into an altered state and have fantasies, often sexual in nature.

People who attend opera or enjoy listening to singers like Mario Lanza are familiar with this altered state induced by the performers.

Extra-low Frequency Vibrations (ELFs)

Now, let's carry this awareness a little farther. There are also inaudible ELFs (extra-low frequency waves). These are electromagnetic in nature. One of the primary uses of ELFs is to communicate with our submarines. Dr. Andrija Puharich, a highly respected researcher, in an attempt to warn U.S. officials about Russian use of ELFs, set up an experiment. Volunteers were wired so their brain waves could be measured on an EEG. They were sealed in a metal room that could not be penetrated by a normal signal.

Puharich then beamed ELF waves at the volunteers. ELFs go right through the earth and, of course, right through metal walls. Those inside couldn't know if the signal was or was not being sent. And Puharich watched the reactions on the technical equipment: 30 percent of those inside the room were taken over by the ELF signal in six to ten seconds.

When I say "taken over," I mean that their behavior followed the changes anticipated at very precise frequencies. Waves below 6 cycles per second caused the subjects to become very emotionally upset, and even disrupted bodily functions. At 8.2 cycles, they felt very high...an elevated feeling, as though they had been in masterful meditation, learned over a period of years. Eleven to 11.3 cycles induced waves of depressed agitation leading to riotous behavior.

[note from Ken Adachi:: Joe Vialls reported that the CIA and Air Force employed this technique using large dish transmitters beaming down from the back cargo ramps of C135 cargo planes to incite opposing tribal factions in Rwanda to become enraged and engage in mindless slaughter and barbarism]

The Neurophone

Dr. Patrick Flanagan is a personal friend of mine. In the early 1960s, as a teenager, Pat was listed as one of the top scientists in the world by "Life" magazine. Among his many inventions was a device he called the Neurophone--an electronic instrument that can successfully program suggestions directly through contact with the skin. When he attempted to patent the device, the government demanded that he prove it worked. When he did, the National Security Agency confiscated the neurophone. It took Pat two years of legal battle to get his invention back.

In using the device, you don't hear or see a thing; it is applied to the skin, which Pat claims is the source of special senses. The skin contains more sensors for heat, touch, pain, vibration, and electrical fields than any other part of the human anatomy.

In one of his recent tests, Pat conducted two identical seminars for a military audience--one seminar one night and one the next night, because the size of the room was not large enough to accommodate all of them at one time. When the first group proved to be very cool and unwilling to respond, Patrick spent the next day making a special tape to play at the second seminar. The tape instructed the audience to be extremely warm and responsive and for their hands to become "tingly." The tape was played through the neurophone, which was connected to a wire he placed along the ceiling of the room. There were no speakers, so no sound could be heard, yet the message was successfully transmitted from that wire directly into the brains of the audience. They were warm and receptive, their hands tingled and they responded, according to programming, in other ways that I cannot mention here.

Technological Tools for Mass Manipulation

The more we find out about how human beings work through today's highly advanced technological research, the more we learn to control human beings. And what probably scares me the most is that the medium for takeover is already in place. The television set in your livingroom and bedroom is doing a lot more than just entertaining you.

Before I continue, let me point out something else about an altered state of consciousness. When you go into an altered state, you transfer into right brain, which results in the internal release of the body's own opiates: enkephalins and Beta-endorphins, chemically almost identical to opium. In other words, it feels good...and you want to come back for more.

Recent tests by researcher Herbert Krugman showed that, while viewers were watching TV, right-brain activity outnumbered left-brain activity by a ratio of two to one. Put more simply, the viewers were in an altered state...in trance more often than not. They were getting their Beta-endorphin "fix."

To measure attention spans, psychophysiologist Thomas Mulholland of the Veterans Hospital in Bedford, Massachusetts, attached young viewers to an EEG machine that was wired to shut the TV set off whenever the children's brains produced a majority of alpha waves. Although the children were told to concentrate, only a few could keep the set on for more than 30 seconds!

Most viewers are already hypnotized. To deepen the trance is easy. One simple way is to place a blank, black frame every 32 frames in the film that is being projected. This creates a 45-beat-per-minute pulsation perceived only by the subconscious mind--the ideal pace to generate deep hypnosis.

The commercials or suggestions presented following this alpha-inducing broadcast are much more likely to be accepted by the viewer. The high percentage of the viewing audience that has somnambulistic-depth ability could very well accept the suggestions as commands--as long as those commands did not ask the viewer to do something contrary to his morals, religion, or self-preservation.

The medium for takeover is here. By the age of 16, children have spent 10,000 to 15,000 hours watching television--that is more time than they spend n school! In the average home, the TV set is on for six hours and 44 minutes per day--an increase of nine minutes from last year and three times the average rate of increase during the 1970s.

It obviously isn't getting better...we are rapidly moving into an alpha-level world--very possibly the Orwellian world of "1984"--placid, glassy-eyed, and responding obediently to instructions.

A research project by Jacob Jacoby, a Purdue University psychologist, found that of 2,700 people tested, 90 percent misunderstood even such simple viewing fare as commercials and "Barnaby Jones." Only minutes after watching, the typical viewer missed 23 to 36 percent of the questions about what he or she had seen. Of course they did--they were going in and out of trance! If you go into a deep trance, you must be instructed to remember--otherwise you automatically forget.

In Closing

I have just touched the tip of the iceberg. When you start to combine subliminal messages behind the music, subliminal visuals projected on the screen, hypnotically produced visual effects, sustained musical beats at a trance-inducing pace . . . you have extremely effective brainwashing. Every hour that you spend watching the TV set you become more conditioned. And, in case you thought there was a law against any of these things, guess again. There isn't! There are a lot of powerful people who obviously prefer things exactly the way they are. Maybe they have plans for...?
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Do your own search and draw your own conclusions about what financial crimes are taking place right out in the open;

Allonge and Stellionate

These are terms associated with financial crimes (stellionate is selling the same thing to more than one buyer); allonge is a tracking document usually attached to a bill of exchange.
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Usufruct

Uncle Sam collectivized the public credit when Roosevelt was president and now the .gov and the fed reserve (not federal, no reserve) are profiting by dealing in stolen property.

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Stellionate

We have a revolving door situation between agencies assigned regulation of financial services corporations and top employees of the financial corporations.

Because of these conflicts of interest multiple sales of certain assets take place over and over.

Thus an ounce of gold held in a vault somewhere might have over a hundred claimants. Other similar commodities have been sold many times.

EFT claims? Good luck with that.
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For those with no fear of "Wall of Text" -- here is Ludwig von Mises HUMAN ACTION

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Wow this thread triggered a maniac who can’t stop posting garbage that not single person has commented on. The guy is out of his mind.

OP made a solid point though.
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Murray Rothbard discusses property ownership as a prime requirement; today we are being told we should "own nothing and be happy."

Rothbard: Rothbard uses the principle of self-ownership to solve a complicated problem of legal theory. What is the basis for enforcing a contract? According to some theorists, including such eminences as Oliver Wendell Holmes and Roscoe Pound, a contract is in essence a promise. Because you have, in return for a consideration, promised to perform some act, you may be compelled to keep your promise. A variant of this position holds that a contract leads the parties to expect behavior of a specified kind. They accordingly plan their own actions and suffer loss if their expectations are disappointed. To help ensure that expectations are met, contracts may be enforced.

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Wow this thread triggered a maniac who can’t stop posting garbage that not single person has commented on. The guy is out of his mind.

OP made a solid point though.
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Here is the first post: "Say you want to buy a house. Should only people that have enough cash be able to buy?

If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold?

If you don’t believe in lending and interest, are you a commie that wants other people’s money for nothing? Why should a random stranger give you their money to use for free?

Seems like there is a segment of people who are anti anything financial (because they are financially illiterate) yet don’t have any realistic solutions on how things would work otherwise."


The post asks a question about credit. If you plow through the material I have posted and investigate perhaps you will begin to grasp the larger picture. Who claims to own the credit market, and how was such ownership acquired?

Have you grasped the essence of how double entry bookkeeping debt money (credit) functions? Have you read THE TWO FACES OF DEBT
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In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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No one is reading your copy/paste garbage.

Not a single person replied to it in the entire thread

You’re a psycho

And you haven’t proven OP wrong
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The first post the OP made was about home ownership and how to obtain credit to make such a purchase.

Thomas Schauf, CPA books (that's a search string) might reveal that Schauf authored several books on banking and bank loans. These books are now in the public domain and FREE.

If you continue searching you might discover that Schauf testified at several foreclosure actions where the mortgage documents were set aside.

You might begin your personal financial education by reading SECRET BANKERS MANUAL
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In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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Thank you for posting all of this information, saving to read through as time allows. You single handedly saved this thread from being another ignorant worthless thread.
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A longish pamphlet titled MODERN MONEY MECHANICS will show how the credit/debt money system functions.

It is free here:
[link to reinventingmoney.files.wordpress.com (secure)]

Just trying to help with your financial literacy problem.
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In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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Thank you for posting all of this information, saving to read through as time allows. You single handedly saved this thread from being another ignorant worthless thread.
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Please be prepared for a difficult slog. What was toughest for me was routing out and discarding lies I had believed and also recognizing half-truths.

Anna von Reitz has provided some insight regarding the ownership of the public credit.

Thread: JUDGE ANNA VON REITZ; THE AMERICAN NATIONAL CREDIT (Page 2)
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In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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Thank you for posting all of this information, saving to read through as time allows. You single handedly saved this thread from being another ignorant worthless thread.
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Lol I know exactly why you said that. You’re transparent.

If you believe what you said, in your own words, summarize his point.
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In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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Thank you for posting all of this information, saving to read through as time allows. You single handedly saved this thread from being another ignorant worthless thread.
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Please be prepared for a difficult slog. What was toughest for me was routing out and discarding lies I had believed and also recognizing half-truths.

Anna von Reitz has provided some insight regarding the ownership of the public credit.

Thread: JUDGE ANNA VON REITZ; THE AMERICAN NATIONAL CREDIT (Page 2)
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hf
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The word "dollar" cannot be copyrighted because it has been in use for nearly 600 years.

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On 15 January 1520, the Kingdom of Bohemia began minting coins from silver mined locally in Joachimsthal and marked on reverse with the Bohemian lion. The coins would be named joachimsthaler after the town, becoming shortened in common usage to thaler or taler. The town itself derived its name from Saint Joachim, coupled with the German word Thal (Tal in modern spelling) means 'valley' (cf. the English term dale).[12]

Generally speaking the word dollar was associated with silver coins. Weights, purity, coin size all varied over time and distance.

The federal reserve note is a unit of credit with no defined redemption value. As a token it symbolically represents a unit of collectivized credit and functionally is an implementation of the fifth plank of the communist manifesto.
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Re: Question for the anti-bank, anti-lending and anti-crypto crowd (who believe all 3)
In the original post we find this: "...because they are financially illiterate."

I am trying to help you with your financial illiteracy problem.
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Thank you for posting all of this information, saving to read through as time allows. You single handedly saved this thread from being another ignorant worthless thread.
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Lol I know exactly why you said that. You’re transparent.

If you believe what you said, in your own words, summarize his point.
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Notice no one will actually read and comment on what he is saying.

Now a few people are commenting just because of what I said.

However, they cannot summarize his point because they didnt read anything he posted either.

His effort to hijack the thread gives the OP more validity.
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Re: Question for the anti-bank, anti-lending and anti-crypto crowd (who believe all 3)
In the first post we can find this: "If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold?"

We see the confusion of a dollar of gold with a so-called dollar of credit.

No dollars of gold and/or silver are loaned.

There was a website with the lead in SHOW ME THE LOAN
I believe that website no longer exists.
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In the first post we can find this: "If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold?"

We see the confusion of a dollar of gold with a so-called dollar of credit.

No dollars of gold and/or silver are loaned.

There was a website with the lead in SHOW ME THE LOAN
I believe that website no longer exists.
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This guy is seriously mentally Ill
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Re: Question for the anti-bank, anti-lending and anti-crypto crowd (who believe all 3)
Show Me The Loan Seminar July 10-11 2010 part one of five parts. (part one is 5.2 minutes)

Warning! If you attempt these legal tactics you might end up in crowbar hotel.

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Re: Question for the anti-bank, anti-lending and anti-crypto crowd (who believe all 3)
In the first post we can find this: "If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold?"

We see the confusion of a dollar of gold with a so-called dollar of credit.

No dollars of gold and/or silver are loaned.

There was a website with the lead in SHOW ME THE LOAN
I believe that website no longer exists.
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This guy is seriously mentally Ill
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All of these insults without an argument make one look desperate and foolish.
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There is a long list of people who tried these legal tactics in the Show Me The Loan program who are now sitting in prison.

The videos are here: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Re: Question for the anti-bank, anti-lending and anti-crypto crowd (who believe all 3)
In the first post we can find this: "If you don’t like fiat or crypto, do you think everyone should have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of PM in their homes? I go to buy a house and I need $500,000 worth of gold and I am just going to hand it all to the seller? Who is then going to just trust it’s all real gold?"

We see the confusion of a dollar of gold with a so-called dollar of credit.

No dollars of gold and/or silver are loaned.

There was a website with the lead in SHOW ME THE LOAN
I believe that website no longer exists.
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This guy is seriously mentally Ill
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All of these insults without an argument make one look desperate and foolish.
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You’re mental just posting stuff that you don’t even understand because you’re trying to hijack the thread.

You have yet to make a coherent argument. Just pseudo intellectual nonsense babble sprinkled into 99% copy and paste.

When someone can’t communicate their point clearly and in a relative succinct way, they are full of shit.

You are full of shit.





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