“If you stock your pantry, you aren’t living by faith. I’m waiting for the rapture.”

False.

The Jwes going to safety in Petra is not YOU!

False, The 144K are of all of Israel. They are not just Jwes.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 11/26/2022 08:13 PM

It appears almost futile and hopeless

and not worth trying much longer

The Church grafted in All Israel is not THIS Israel.

You make and understand no distinction.

You quote me the passage.

You won't do it.

It most specifically says 12000 of each of the 12 tribes

so that there can be no misunderstanding


so you misunderstand...

I get that they will accept somebody else but that does not make a temple of stone God's temple. 2 Thess 2 says the Man of Sin sits in the temple of God so do you believe the temple of God is built by the hands of Mankind or the Jwes?

2 Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The land of Israel and the people cast out are not Israel unless they come back to Christ. They will be if they choose grafted in the same way we are. We are all Israel. By the way, the Jwes are only one of 12 of the sons of Israel. There were 2 kingdoms of Israel.

I stock the pantry and more for 2 reasons, to be prepared for food shortages, and to counteract inflation. I buy now what I'll be eating next year. And if shit happens to disrupt food distribution again, I won't be competing at the grocery store for the last steak or potato or roll of toilet paper. In fact, a case of toilet paper I ordered arrived yesterday. There's 2 years of poop'n paper in the case.

The clear date would not have been in the bible back then... OK... it is recorded in the celestial records as August 21... 7 BC

converted of course to modern calenders.

There is one place in Petra but it leaves it as if there is more.
Deeper reading is needed.

I have been so frazzled to have balanced perspective of this past couple years. The question is what am I responsible for vs what I can expect of God. I keep coming back to the millions of Russian farmers who were intentionally starved.

God let them starve! Just as God allows innocence to be raped and abused. Read a passage lately that the said the good died first the others resorted to cannibalism.

One thing I've noticed in the Bible is Jesus didn't create much from nothing it was usually multiplying what they already had or water to wine. Then the story of the Widow whose oil never ran out. So from this it seems God will help those who first help themselves, a partnership. Fear is bad, being pragmatic isn't.

I woke up recently and computer had a webpage opened that I don't recall going to that had scripture from an unknown source. It said God would send an Angel to make your stores last plus would protect by making you invisible. PC locked up and I could never find the site again. Not even in browser history.

And these are to go out and spread the gospel DURING the great Trib. They will have God's seal on their forehead as will all Believers during that time. Maybe they usher in the great awakening, revival before things get really bad, when the great falling away happens.

I think many of us will be surprised with how the End Times actually happen. Maybe that is what causes the great falling away, though I think that is already happening.

Many of them are cast away but many of them have already converted even at the times of Acts and are still converting to this day.

Here are those that were cast away.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Here is them joining the same root as the Gentiles if they stop their unbelief.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

I have no doubt they will continue the ministry of Christ. I believe they are also the 2 witnesses and the Woman of Rev 12. I think they are all the same group.

Keep in mind one major point, God doesn't cause the suffering of the innocent, rather sin does. Evil does. God didn't protect Job nor his family. Job got back everything but it didn't decrease the pain he must have felt for those taken by satan.

ps, I never capitalize satan nor devil. Only God

Do you think also that the two witnesses or Israel and the Church? I have seen both points of view but to me it is clear that they will be TWO individuals?

You make it sound too much like Christians are victims of this world and are the only ones getting hated, murdered, and tortured in this world.

Don't let others press your buttons so easily. Jesus taught to love thy enemy for good reason.

The gate to the Father (love) is indeed very narrow, as not many could truly have love and compassion for their enemies.

But brace ourselves when we do, because it triggers a casade of benevolent enhancements to our mind and body. Then we will transition to a more benevolent mind that sincerely wants peace and joy for all, and a more healthy body to live longer to help spread love and compassion. All courtesy of the love of God pouring into us because we gave conscent to God by choosing love.

That is what a "reborn" person truly is, not just by a simple ritual of dipping oneself in water by a "certified man of God".

Hatred can not be extinguished by more hate, only by more love.

Not easy to do for sure, but always do our best. Each tiny step we make will all add up.

All the best!

Where do you see people judging people OP?

Some gutless fool gave me unsigned red karma for pointing out a fact.

New age nonsense.

I just can't understand, with the VAST categories of perverts, degenerates, deviants, pedophiles, hair-sniffers weirdos, whack-a-doodles, leftist lunatics, communists, satanists, etc... etc...

And you guys have to pick on Christians again?

Really?

Yeshua was spot on, when He said that the world would love it's own, but despise those who are His.

At that time, satan had legal authority to inflict suffering. It was before Jesus Christ's atonement.

fake sky god could not have protected him.. protection comes thru angels and your INNER FATHEr.. not sky man

I think the 2 witnesses/144k are the remnant of Israel(Woman of Rev 12) and everyone else is the offspring that are persecuted by the dragon. I think the offspring are the multitude that cannot be counted in Rev 7. I am also more inclined to believe the 144k are the bride. Who does Christ return with that follow him where ever he goes?

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

No Satan never had any legal authroity.. this was a prison ward.

Don't give up your day job there Rabbi.......