“If you stock your pantry, you aren’t living by faith. I’m waiting for the rapture.”

I think any honest person here agrees they wouldnt fight, but that this puzzle must somehow be able to be solved, since christians claim to believe both right?

So how can that be and what do Ezekiel mean? Could it be that christians that are born again will find scripture easy to read, not see contradictions where others bump into them all the time, and agree on what scriptures says? Like the rapture, Holy trinity, salvation by grace trough faith etc, so the bible almost like magic makes perfect sense, and that we witness and do things in obedience to Christ as we are led by the spirit almost without knowing it, even though we also sin here and there.... ?

nahhh... it couldnt.... or could it? ill let the people here figure that one out...

Pre and post corruptible body.

Imagine if Joseph didn't store up for the 7 years but rather proclaimed that he would rather wait for some mythical process to deliver him from the famine on earth.

The mind boggles.

Escapism and being deluded into thinking that you have the RIGHT to not prepare for bad times and worse that you are somehow unfaithful if you do, is the height of delusion.

Be ye not deceived.

And when will we get our incorruptible body? And will it take time?

This happens at the Resurrection in a twinkle of an eye.

1Co 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

And that is the event at 1 Thessalonians 4:16, right? "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words."

Why do you suppose Father God said this?

Jeremiah 10

2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain:

for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Because an article says so?

Jesus died on Passover. Period.

Easter - Ishtar, rabbits, colored eggs, camdy.

Ham?

Jesus ate fish and lamb.

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Do you believe the fulness of God dwells in Christ as colossians 2:9 says? Simple question: Yes or no?

Jesus died on Passover.

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If Jesus had 'the fullness of God' - the Father would have had to GIVE Him power.

Father God GIVES power to 'God Jesus'?
So Father God commands 'God Jesus'?
Father God TAUGHT 'God Jesus'?

NOPE.

Father God gave commandments to the SON OF God.

Father God TOLD Jesus what to say. John 12:49-50

Father God has commited judgement to the Son. John 5:22

Father God commanded Jesus to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus power to forgive sins. Mark 2:10

Father God GAVE Jesus power over heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18

Father God GAVE Jesus glory. John 12:28 and John 17

Father God GAVE Jesus power over all flesh. John 17:2

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment what to say. John 12:49

Father God GAVE Jesus "All things into his hand" John 3:35

Father God EXALTED Jesus Acts 2:33

Father God SENT Jesus. (said 47 times in the 4 Gospels)

Father God TAUGHT Jesus. John 5:19 & John 8:28

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Exactly. So you admit you dont believe in the bible. Christ ofcourse is the TEMPLE OF GOD that was rebuilt on 3 days.

You are not a christian but have the spirit of antichrist as described in 1 John 2:22-23, denying the Father and the Son. You have redefined what "Son of God" means to meaning someone that is not divine, even though John 1 clearly says he is the WORD of God that became flesh, Isaiah 7:14 says God will tablernacle among us or Isaiah 9:6 that says the child to be born will called EVERLASTING FATHER and MIGHTY GOD which you claim he will be called...... IN A WRONG WAY!

It never gets old!!!



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Grace

That was to a pagan tree. Christmas trees were not even around back then.
I am not pagan, nor is my Christmas tree.


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Yes, also at Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Rev 6:12, Rev 11:12, etc.

Not all document this event the same. Like a crime scene interview each have some of the facts. But we know from the descriptions that Christ foretold they are all the same period of time.

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The pagan tree tradition was passed down from time to time and incorporated into other religions. It is exactly like Jeremiah said minus modern day lighting.

The part in the video about a craftsman is not a good proof against it being a pagan tradition. KJV does not even use the word craftsman. More skill was needed in the past to fell a tree including trimming branches and mounting it.

Even the fir trees rejoice when they are no longer cut down when Israel and those grafted into Israel rest and take their possessions of land after Christ returns.

Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Isa 14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, [and] the cedars of Lebanon, [saying], Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

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so you confirm there is no need for refinement here, since the change happens in the twinkling of an eye. Its different for the j ish people though, scripture says God will turn ungodliness from Jacob, a whole people group will be grafted back to God, now suddenly all the dramatic events in the great tribulation makes sense, not only regarding judgement but also regarding salvation of the j ish people.

Also note this however: Matt 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

But we do know acording to you, none of this will happen until after the great tribulation and after the antichrist. Which removes the whole aspect of keeping watch and this being imminent. If the rapture happens BEFORE the tribulation however, then YES, the rapture is indeed imminent.

Some of these passages also speak of removal of the wicked and not the rapture, while many are obiously about the rapture, which passage speaks of what needs deeper study on some of the passages.

Yet more nonsense.

Heres Tony Costa again, a good one to go with Mike Winger:



So your argument is that since some pagans decorated trees or worshipped trees, all decorated trees are pagan. If you apply the same logic to vegetarians, Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore all vegetarians are nazis.

But thats not true, even you'll admit that, right?

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No it is just a coincident as you say. Baby Jesus was placed in the manger and the pine tree with all its sparkle acted like a mobile for him to view.


It does not matter the tribulation will rid those saved of false beliefs and doctrines.

I am open to God's guidance and correction.

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I think you are reading into my post s wrong.

Any person including those with Israel ancestors who are not saved when the resurrection happens missed the first boat along with any gentiles that are not saved. They have the tribulation period and then the resurrection and God's wrath after the tribulation.

God's people are not in darkness and by keeping watch will have an idea about when it happens. Not the day or hour but they can know the season.

The. dispensational doctrine of immense is false. God's people who watch will have an idea. If not why even watch?

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ROMANS 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;"


Jacob = The j ish people.

JMHO but I think the fullness of the gentiles is when the gospel has been preached to all in the world. This has happened yet. There are millions (possibly a billion or three) who have never heard about Jesus and salvation.

"in the twinkling of an eye we shall all be changed" Atomic second.
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"Jacob= Israel", not who you said at all.

Israel is the 12 tribes not just the j&& ish people

Rev 7 KJV
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all nopes of the children of Israel.

5 Of nope of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of nope of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of nope of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of nope of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of nope of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
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Someone better read Revelation 2:9 and ,3:9. Judah is not what you think.

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are J&& s, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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Ridiculous that I can't even quote the Bible with that word in it. Silliness

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What does in part mean? In part that all the people are not blind or that the fullness of the gentiles is only one part of the reasons they are blind.

And it's not even a salvation issue. Not that anything should be argued over, but instead prayed over and discussed since iron sharpens iron.

Of course the treatment of others over issues can be a salvation issue. Don't forget that Jesus said: Today is the day of salvation.


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