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pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape ."

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Do you?

He knows.
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Please tell us what makes one 'worthy'.

I am certainly interested in becoming 'worthy'.
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If He doesn't agree with me .. I'm raptured early before anything bad happens like you. Win win.
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I agree.

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If He counts YOU worthy.

Pray so.

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pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape ."

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Do you?

He knows.
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Please tell us what makes one 'worthy'.

I am certainly interested in becoming 'worthy'.
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Are you saved?

How are you saved?
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It would be nice if you knew how to be saved ....

Wouldn't it??
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It is finished.

Paid in full.

TETELESTAI





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Do YOU believe Him?

Do YOU really believe Him?


He knows.

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Some will be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming!



"But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,
and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man
."



Luke 21:34-36

Jesus said to pray to be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming.

Guess what that means?

That means some will be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming and to go stand with Jesus!

Jesus didn't tell us to pray to be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming
unless some will be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming.

That's what He said.

Do you believe Him?

I do.
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So you are now saying that some will be Raptured and some not?

Based upon their worth?

Some Born Again people will be Raptured and some Born Again people will not be Raptured?

Some Born Again people will be saved and some Born Again people will NOT be saved?

Is that what you are now saying?
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But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18
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Do YOU believe Him?

Do YOU really believe Him?


He knows.
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What exactly are we to believe?

Exactly.

Be very specific.
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Do YOU believe Him?

Do YOU really believe Him?


He knows.

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Therefore comfort one another with these words.


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Do YOU believe Him?

Do YOU really believe Him?


He knows.
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What exactly are we to believe?

Exactly.

Be very specific.
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I'm not playing your game.

I am talking to others by way of you.
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But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18
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The classic Rapture text.

Nice find!

You're learning ....
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You do as You Will.
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Do YOU believe Him?

Do YOU really believe Him?


He knows.
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What exactly are we to believe?

Exactly.

Be very specific.
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I'm not playing your game.

I am talking to others by way of you.
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You do not really know WHAT to believe .. do you?

I'm serious now. This is serious.

Your salvation is at stake here, my online friend.

Do you know what you have to believe to be saved?
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You do as You Will.
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That's the satanic law.

Don't do that.
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pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape ."

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Do you?

He knows.
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Please tell us what makes one 'worthy'.

I am certainly interested in becoming 'worthy'.
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Are you saved?

How are you saved?
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We are saved by believing the Gospel.

Do you not know what the Gospel is?

It is of vital importance to your eternal abode ...
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"Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning—

"lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping.

"And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"



Mark 13:35-37



Are you watching now?

Why not?
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"Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."

Matthew 24:42
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"Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning—

"lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping.

"And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"



Mark 13:35-37



Are you watching now?

Why not?
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Because it's bedtime.
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"Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Luke 21:28
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not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.


Hebrews 10:25


The Day.
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But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

1Thessalonians 5:4


This Day...
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But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36



That Day.


When everything changes.


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Because it's bedtime.
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"Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Luke 21:28
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"And then shall they see the Son of Man coming"


All will see His Coming. ALL.

That disqualifies a secret Rapture 7 years prior.

ALL will see His Coming.
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"Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Luke 21:28
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"And then shall they see the Son of Man coming"


All will see His Coming. ALL.

That disqualifies a secret Rapture 7 years prior.

ALL will see His Coming.
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9teen Why do you assume that the Bible teaches a secret Rapture? To the best of my understanding, the whole world will know about it when it happens. The great mass of humanity will be stood there, slowly realizing what a momentous event has just happened. But we who have been Raptured will be long gone.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Do you understand 7 years?
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Daniel's 70th Week.

Still not God's Wrath
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Provide scriptural proof. Explain your stance scripturally. Let us see it.


Unbelievable.

You don't even comprehend that the final week in Daniel's 70 week prophesy is the 7-year Tribulation which includes God's wrath ie the Great Tribulation or the second half of the 7-year Tribulation.

You have to be troll at this point, pathetic.
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I assure you .. no, I PROMISE you that I am NO TROLL.
[As God is my witness, I'm not just trolling]

I am a serious, committed christian and study the Word very closely.

God's Wrath is not the tribulation, rather God's Wrath comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.

Remember the 30 days?

I have come from where you are now. I understand the pre-trib rapture and your arguments for it.
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I assure you that you have absolutely, without a doubt, no idea what you're talking about. None. Zero. I know this for a fact.

Anyone can grab random scripture and throw random interpretation on it, it's what you've done since Page 6 of this thread and what people do to tear down God's word.

Denying those seeking Christ and His promise and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (which is Christ's own celebration with us) by purposefully misconstruing scripture and sowing confusion and removing hope is tearing down God's word. Imagine if someone became lax in their walk because of the nonsense you've posted here or elsewhere and died when the Rapture occurred? What if you've strengthened the false views of an unbeliever reading this thread and they are killed when the Rapture takes place or soon after and are lost forever? Do you not realize God will hold you accountable?

You're interested in no truth here hence why you omitted my quote explaining in 6-year-old terms Daniel's 70 week prophecy which is obviously something you don't understand and are choosing to ignore to sow confusion. You've contradicted yourself an innumerable amount of times in this thread while throwing out personal attacks in your nonsense.

Get out of this thread. It's pitiful to read.

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Daniel's 70th Week.

Still not God's Wrath
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Provide scriptural proof. Explain your stance scripturally. Let us see it.


Unbelievable.

You don't even comprehend that the final week in Daniel's 70 week prophesy is the 7-year Tribulation which includes God's wrath ie the Great Tribulation or the second half of the 7-year Tribulation.

You have to be troll at this point, pathetic.
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I assure you .. no, I PROMISE you that I am NO TROLL.
[As God is my witness, I'm not just trolling]

I am a serious, committed christian and study the Word very closely.

God's Wrath is not the tribulation, rather God's Wrath comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.

Remember the 30 days?

I have come from where you are now. I understand the pre-trib rapture and your arguments for it.
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I assure you that you have absolutely, without a doubt, no idea what you're talking about. None. Zero. I know this for a fact.

Anyone can grab random scripture and throw random interpretation on it, it's what you've done since Page 6 of this thread and what people do to tear down God's word.

Denying those seeking Christ and His promise and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (which is Christ's own celebration with us) by purposefully misconstruing scripture and sowing confusion and removing hope is tearing down God's word. Imagine if someone became lax in their walk because of the nonsense you've posted here or elsewhere and died when the Rapture occurred? What if you've strengthened the false views of an unbeliever reading this thread and they are killed when the Rapture takes place or soon after and are lost forever? Do you not realize God will hold you accountable?

You're interested in no truth here hence why you omitted my quote explaining in 6-year-old terms Daniel's 70 week prophecy which is obviously something you don't understand and are choosing to ignore to sow confusion. You've contradicted yourself an innumerable amount of times in this thread while throwing out personal attacks in your nonsense.

Get out of this thread. It's pitiful to read.
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Revelation tells you when God's Wrath starts.


Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Now this corresponds to Matthew 24.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Now applying logic we see that anything before the wrath which happens when the sun and moon go dark is tribulation. After the sun and moon go dark is God's Wrath.

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But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18
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The classic Rapture text.

Nice find!

You're learning ....
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That text refers to the resurrection.

How do we know it is the resurrection? By looking at the context defined in 1th 4:14 which is talking about the resurrection of Christ and in the future our resurrection also.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
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But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18
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The classic Rapture text.

Nice find!

You're learning ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


That text refers to the resurrection.

How do we know it is the resurrection? By looking at the context defined in 1th 4:14 which is talking about the resurrection of Christ and in the future our resurrection also.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
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The fact of the matter is people like yourself in this thread and others have made this a religious doctrine in itself when scripture is very clear on God's promise to remove His bride. People or I should say the devil has worked overtime and has made this such a complicated issue with semantic arguments by confusing simple words like tribulation for example. People use this word describing the 7-year Tribulation, others get specific and claim tribulation only denotes the first 3 1/2 years of the 7-year tribulation, both are correct. Paul himself said He shouldn't even have to write to us regarding this promise as we will all know the season we're in (1 Thessolonians 5:5) and the scripture is very clear on who will be removed and what will take place after the bride of Christ is removed.

People have misconstrued God's word and torn down God's promise to His people at the end of the age by lies such as, for example, claiming the Rapture is an idea thought up in the 1800s by Darby and McDonald which is laughable (as the term has been echoed and prophesied for thousands of years and is in the Old Testament) and yet another attempt to foil God's promise and dash people's hope making them complacent.

It's sickening to witness this thread in some instances being a perfect example.


There are two Resurrections-

The Wedding Supper of the Lamb in Heaven takes place after the Rapture during the 7-year Tribulation and the Wedding is for Jesus and His followers who are alive on earth (at the time of the Rapture) who are taken up along with those who have died in Christ in the past (who will come with Jesus in the clouds) to be reunited with their bodies to put on the incorruptible and don new heavenly bodies (1 Thessaloninans 4:16-17). These will be the people who attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven with Christ and this takes place during the 7-year Tribulation.

Those who are left behind and have to endure the 7-year Tribulation and lose their lives but are saved because of faith will have to wait until they too are resurrected but will not experience the Marriage Supper with Christ (Revelation 6:9). These martyrs of the 7-year Tribulation are told to wait a little longer until their brothers and sisters are also killed for their testimony so they too can be resurrected in Christ's second coming (Revelation 6:11, 20:4).




"The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There will be the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

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First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “seven” (seven years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy sevens (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth seven, the tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time.

The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing of His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together.

Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.

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