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And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’ But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Matthew 22: 1-14
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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: Judethz



She tells of the tribulations that saints suffered, suffer and will suffer ... but does not understand the distinction between tribulation and the Wrath of God.


If you think tribulation IS the Wrath of God, then you have to explain why God's Wrath has been on the saints for nearly 2,000 years now.

Tribulation is tribulation, not Wrath.


The fact is, the Tribulation and God's Wrath are 2 distinct and separate time periods. God's Wrath can be seen from the 7th Seal onwards.

Why you won't recognize this fact is puzzling, as the scripture is clear that the Great Day of His Wrath has come and who shall be able to stand?


The keys to revelation are the Wrath of God and the Woes.
Separate Tribulation and Wrath periods first.
Line up the Woes with similar events.

For example - The great earthquake in Rev 11:13 is the same earthquake as in Rev 6:12

That way you can have a timeline of Revelation events.

This might help you:

Revelation 1 - occurred in the 90s AD
Rev 2/3 - from the writing of the book of Revelation to eternity future
Rev 4/5 - Unknown future date
Rev 6-10 - beginning of 70th week to end of 70th week
Rev 11 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 12 - Eternity past to end of 70th week
Rev 13 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 14-19 - within 30 days (Wrath of God
Rev 20 - 1,000 years after the 70th week

Hope this helps you some!
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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: Judethz



She tells of the tribulations that saints suffered, suffer and will suffer ... but does not understand the distinction between tribulation and the Wrath of God.


If you think tribulation IS the Wrath of God, then you have to explain why God's Wrath has been on the saints for nearly 2,000 years now.

Tribulation is tribulation, not Wrath.


The fact is, the Tribulation and God's Wrath are 2 distinct and separate time periods. God's Wrath can be seen from the 7th Seal onwards.

Why you won't recognize this fact is puzzling, as the scripture is clear that the Great Day of His Wrath has come and who shall be able to stand?


The keys to revelation are the Wrath of God and the Woes.
Separate Tribulation and Wrath periods first.
Line up the Woes with similar events.

For example - The great earthquake in Rev 11:13 is the same earthquake as in Rev 6:12

That way you can have a timeline of Revelation events.

This might help you:

Revelation 1 - occurred in the 90s AD
Rev 2/3 - from the writing of the book of Revelation to eternity future
Rev 4/5 - Unknown future date
Rev 6-10 - beginning of 70th week to end of 70th week
Rev 11 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 12 - Eternity past to end of 70th week
Rev 13 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 14-19 - within 30 days (Wrath of God
Rev 20 - 1,000 years after the 70th week

Hope this helps you some!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

I’ll explain why you’re wrong and misinterpreting scripture, again. God’s wrath remains on unbelievers, not those in Christ.


Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 3:36



Born-again believers have the Holy Spirit and are clothed in Christ’s righteousness and are with Christ right now next to the Father just as He is with us on earth. Jesus has already taken God’s wrath on the cross for all of his body of believers, those in Christ are not appointed to wrath as Jesus has taken this wrath for us and his body is not appointed to endure the 7-year Tribulation. This designated time period of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy also referred to as Jacob’s trouble is for the unrepentant and nonbelievers centering around God’s chosen as God’s wrath remains on them.

The church is mentioned 19 times in Chapters 1-3 of Revelation and starting in Chapter 4:1 (which is John of Patmos’ foreshadowing of the Rapture), the church isn’t mentioned again until after Chapter 19 where within these Chapters of 4-19, the 7-year Tribulation is explained in great detail. The reason for this is Christ’s body is not on earth but in Heaven with Jesus for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

I know you’re not interested in truth but I will continue to correct your misinterpretations of scripture and your spreading of lies regarding God’s scriptural rescue of His bride.
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Forgiveness is huge. Ask God to forgive you for any bitterness you may hold for anyone even if it dates back many, many years.

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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: Judethz



She tells of the tribulations that saints suffered, suffer and will suffer ... but does not understand the distinction between tribulation and the Wrath of God.


If you think tribulation IS the Wrath of God, then you have to explain why God's Wrath has been on the saints for nearly 2,000 years now.

Tribulation is tribulation, not Wrath.


The fact is, the Tribulation and God's Wrath are 2 distinct and separate time periods. God's Wrath can be seen from the 7th Seal onwards.

Why you won't recognize this fact is puzzling, as the scripture is clear that the Great Day of His Wrath has come and who shall be able to stand?


The keys to revelation are the Wrath of God and the Woes.
Separate Tribulation and Wrath periods first.
Line up the Woes with similar events.

For example - The great earthquake in Rev 11:13 is the same earthquake as in Rev 6:12

That way you can have a timeline of Revelation events.

This might help you:

Revelation 1 - occurred in the 90s AD
Rev 2/3 - from the writing of the book of Revelation to eternity future
Rev 4/5 - Unknown future date
Rev 6-10 - beginning of 70th week to end of 70th week
Rev 11 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 12 - Eternity past to end of 70th week
Rev 13 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 14-19 - within 30 days (Wrath of God
Rev 20 - 1,000 years after the 70th week

Hope this helps you some!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

I’ll explain why you’re wrong and misinterpreting scripture, again. God’s wrath remains on unbelievers, not those in Christ.


Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 3:36



Born-again believers have the Holy Spirit and are clothed in Christ’s righteousness and are with Christ right now next to the Father just as He is with us on earth. Jesus has already taken God’s wrath on the cross for all of his body of believers, those in Christ are not appointed to wrath as Jesus has taken this wrath for us and his body is not appointed to endure the 7-year Tribulation. This designated time period of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy also referred to as Jacob’s trouble is for the unrepentant and nonbelievers centering around God’s chosen as God’s wrath remains on them.

The church is mentioned 19 times in Chapters 1-3 of Revelation and starting in Chapter 4:1 (which is John of Patmos’ foreshadowing of the Rapture), the church isn’t mentioned again until after Chapter 19 where within these Chapters of 4-19, the 7-year Tribulation is explained in great detail. The reason for this is Christ’s body is not on earth but in Heaven with Jesus for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

I know you’re not interested in truth but I will continue to correct your misinterpretations of scripture and your spreading of lies regarding God’s scriptural rescue of His bride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270


I am interested in the truth. Please show where the tribulation starts and this 7 year tribulation you are talking about. Daniel 9 shows a 70th week and then Christ is cut off in the middle of the week leaving 3.5 years. Where is the full 7 that is left?

As for the tribulation anything before the sun and moon going dark is the tribulation after the sun and moon go dark is God's wrath as stated in Matthew 24:29. The sun and moon going dark is a clear indication throughout the OT and NT of where God's wrath starts.
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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

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She tells of the tribulations that saints suffered, suffer and will suffer ... but does not understand the distinction between tribulation and the Wrath of God.


If you think tribulation IS the Wrath of God, then you have to explain why God's Wrath has been on the saints for nearly 2,000 years now.

Tribulation is tribulation, not Wrath.


The fact is, the Tribulation and God's Wrath are 2 distinct and separate time periods. God's Wrath can be seen from the 7th Seal onwards.

Why you won't recognize this fact is puzzling, as the scripture is clear that the Great Day of His Wrath has come and who shall be able to stand?


The keys to revelation are the Wrath of God and the Woes.
Separate Tribulation and Wrath periods first.
Line up the Woes with similar events.

For example - The great earthquake in Rev 11:13 is the same earthquake as in Rev 6:12

That way you can have a timeline of Revelation events.

This might help you:

Revelation 1 - occurred in the 90s AD
Rev 2/3 - from the writing of the book of Revelation to eternity future
Rev 4/5 - Unknown future date
Rev 6-10 - beginning of 70th week to end of 70th week
Rev 11 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 12 - Eternity past to end of 70th week
Rev 13 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 14-19 - within 30 days (Wrath of God
Rev 20 - 1,000 years after the 70th week

Hope this helps you some!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

I’ll explain why you’re wrong and misinterpreting scripture, again. God’s wrath remains on unbelievers, not those in Christ.


Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 3:36



Born-again believers have the Holy Spirit and are clothed in Christ’s righteousness and are with Christ right now next to the Father just as He is with us on earth. Jesus has already taken God’s wrath on the cross for all of his body of believers, those in Christ are not appointed to wrath as Jesus has taken this wrath for us and his body is not appointed to endure the 7-year Tribulation. This designated time period of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy also referred to as Jacob’s trouble is for the unrepentant and nonbelievers centering around God’s chosen as God’s wrath remains on them.

The church is mentioned 19 times in Chapters 1-3 of Revelation and starting in Chapter 4:1 (which is John of Patmos’ foreshadowing of the Rapture), the church isn’t mentioned again until after Chapter 19 where within these Chapters of 4-19, the 7-year Tribulation is explained in great detail. The reason for this is Christ’s body is not on earth but in Heaven with Jesus for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

I know you’re not interested in truth but I will continue to correct your misinterpretations of scripture and your spreading of lies regarding God’s scriptural rescue of His bride.
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When you interpret EVERY verse in light of a flawed Rapture position, then you place the cart before the horse.

That is not how biblical interpretation is done.

What you pre-tribbers are doing is called 'isogesis', and isogesis is NOT correct interpretation of the Word of God.

You approach the Word of God with an erroneous preconceived assumption and make every verse fit that paradigm .. no matter how much baloney you have to make up in support.


The fact is that pre-tribulationalists no longer use or accept either Revelation 3:10 or Revelation 4:1 as a proof text for their position .. you're too late to the party.
But you probably didn't know that ... egg on your face.

Why won't you listen to all sides in a debate and not just yours? If your position is correct than it can weather a challenge.

I've bookmarked a couple spots in Charles' talk for your listening pleasure. He's an entertaining speaker; do yourself a favor this Sunday and give him a listen:


Church gone from Rev 4:1 on:





No Man Knoweth the day or hour:





Wedding Metaphor / Bride of Christ:





Here's a deeper dive into why your use of the above proof text is obsolete:

prewrathrapture.com/radio/show070823.mp3


Come on Man.

Anyone who opens the Word for Salvation sake is interested in truth.

If you will allow the Word to speak through the Holy Spirit, Truth will be discerned.


"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." Proverbs 27:17
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Born-again believers have the Holy Spirit and are clothed in Christ’s righteousness and are with Christ right now next to the Father just as He is with us on earth. Jesus has already taken God’s wrath on the cross for all of his body of believers, those in Christ are not appointed to wrath as Jesus has taken this wrath for us and his body is not appointed to endure the 7-year Tribulation. This designated time period of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy also referred to as Jacob’s trouble is for the unrepentant and nonbelievers centering around God’s chosen as God’s wrath remains on them.
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Can you show us when someone is born again?
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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

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 Quoting: Judethz



She tells of the tribulations that saints suffered, suffer and will suffer ... but does not understand the distinction between tribulation and the Wrath of God.


If you think tribulation IS the Wrath of God, then you have to explain why God's Wrath has been on the saints for nearly 2,000 years now.

Tribulation is tribulation, not Wrath.


The fact is, the Tribulation and God's Wrath are 2 distinct and separate time periods. God's Wrath can be seen from the 7th Seal onwards.

Why you won't recognize this fact is puzzling, as the scripture is clear that the Great Day of His Wrath has come and who shall be able to stand?


The keys to revelation are the Wrath of God and the Woes.
Separate Tribulation and Wrath periods first.
Line up the Woes with similar events.

For example - The great earthquake in Rev 11:13 is the same earthquake as in Rev 6:12

That way you can have a timeline of Revelation events.

This might help you:

Revelation 1 - occurred in the 90s AD
Rev 2/3 - from the writing of the book of Revelation to eternity future
Rev 4/5 - Unknown future date
Rev 6-10 - beginning of 70th week to end of 70th week
Rev 11 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 12 - Eternity past to end of 70th week
Rev 13 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 14-19 - within 30 days (Wrath of God
Rev 20 - 1,000 years after the 70th week

Hope this helps you some!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

I’ll explain why you’re wrong and misinterpreting scripture, again. God’s wrath remains on unbelievers, not those in Christ.


Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 3:36



Born-again believers have the Holy Spirit and are clothed in Christ’s righteousness and are with Christ right now next to the Father just as He is with us on earth. Jesus has already taken God’s wrath on the cross for all of his body of believers, those in Christ are not appointed to wrath as Jesus has taken this wrath for us and his body is not appointed to endure the 7-year Tribulation. This designated time period of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy also referred to as Jacob’s trouble is for the unrepentant and nonbelievers centering around God’s chosen as God’s wrath remains on them.

The church is mentioned 19 times in Chapters 1-3 of Revelation and starting in Chapter 4:1 (which is John of Patmos’ foreshadowing of the Rapture), the church isn’t mentioned again until after Chapter 19 where within these Chapters of 4-19, the 7-year Tribulation is explained in great detail. The reason for this is Christ’s body is not on earth but in Heaven with Jesus for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

I know you’re not interested in truth but I will continue to correct your misinterpretations of scripture and your spreading of lies regarding God’s scriptural rescue of His bride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270



When you interpret EVERY verse in light of a flawed Rapture position, then you place the cart before the horse.

That is not how biblical interpretation is done.

What you pre-tribbers are doing is called 'isogesis', and isogesis is NOT correct interpretation of the Word of God.

You approach the Word of God with an erroneous preconceived assumption and make every verse fit that paradigm .. no matter how much baloney you have to make up in support.


The fact is that pre-tribulationalists no longer use or accept either Revelation 3:10 or Revelation 4:1 as a proof text for their position .. you're too late to the party.
But you probably didn't know that ... egg on your face.

Why won't you listen to all sides in a debate and not just yours? If your position is correct than it can weather a challenge.

I've bookmarked a couple spots in Charles' talk for your listening pleasure. He's an entertaining speaker; do yourself a favor this Sunday and give him a listen:


Church gone from Rev 4:1 on:





No Man Knoweth the day or hour:





Wedding Metaphor / Bride of Christ:





Here's a deeper dive into why your use of the above proof text is obsolete:

prewrathrapture.com/radio/show070823.mp3


Come on Man.

Anyone who opens the Word for Salvation sake is interested in truth.

If you will allow the Word to speak through the Holy Spirit, Truth will be discerned.


"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." Proverbs 27:17
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Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.


Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
 Quoting: Achduke7


blinkerrose But we who have been Raptured will not be amongst the sinners who are there to Face God's wrath.
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Hi AC432,

Here is some more info on Revelation, Wrath and the resurrection/harpazo event.

The key to Revelation is the woes and God's wrath. They are time stamps on how to organize Revelation. Revelation jumps around a bit and tells the same things from different viewpoints and symbology. Also the word "Alas" is also the same word origin as woe. You can also follow the earthquake. The Earthquake of Rev 6:12 is the same quake as Rev 11:13. There seems to always be a Earthquake around the time of resurrection as it happened during Christ and also when the 2 Witnesses are resurrected.

Revelation 6:12 corresponds with Matthew 24:29.

The wrath of God which is after the 2nd woe is shown in Rev 6 and in Rev 11.



Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 Quoting: Achduke7



I believe we have lost our Pre-Trib Rapture friends.

Come back and discuss ... MUCH to learn here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


We don't need to discuss nothing. We actually beleive
what the Bible says. Pre Trib is truth.
The bride is gone before the Tribulation.
It's pretty simple.
 Quoting: Mdc61170


Where does it say the Bride is gone? If you believe the Bible you should be able to point the verses that say this.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Thought you were smart enough to know church and bride being the same. 2Corinthians 11:2
Read Ephesians 5. You rapture deniers are like " the jab is safe" dummies. Where
in the Bible are their verses telling,and
warning the church to be strong against the
AC,and don't take the mark as a Christian.
Also, how do you effectively present the gospel to
someone? You tell them sorry, but you're going to have go through the tribulation,and their
is no blessed hope. You also spit in the face
of all the great evangelists of the past and call them liars. Moody, Spurgeon, Billy Sunday,Roloff ,to name a few. Get off your
own indignation,and simply believe the
Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
Two roofs over my head
Crichton clan-God.Send.Grace

Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15)
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I am interested in the truth. Please show where the tribulation starts and this 7 year tribulation you are talking about. Daniel 9 shows a 70th week and then Christ is cut off in the middle of the week leaving 3.5 years. Where is the full 7 that is left?

As for the tribulation anything before the sun and moon going dark is the tribulation after the sun and moon go dark is God's wrath as stated in Matthew 24:29. The sun and moon going dark is a clear indication throughout the OT and NT of where God's wrath starts.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Christ being cut off symbolizes Satan falling from Heaven and no longer ever having entrance to Heaven where he takes bodily autonomy of the Anti-Christ and in his wrath, goes after the last remnant of God’s people and will force all to receive his mark and worship him which will be mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation.

Daniel 12:11 gives us the exact number of days which are 1290 when the bride is removed (daily sacrifice) and the abomination of desolation will be set up in the temple (the mark of the beast) which is mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation.

At that time, Satan is finally cast out of Heaven for good where he will force his mark on all inhabitants of earth and demand worship as all other gods of every religion including the one and only God through Jesus Christ will no longer be able to be followed or worshipped and the penalty for refusing to bow down and worship the Anti-Christ which is Satan himself will be death.

“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:11


We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. We know the body of Christ is the daily sacrifice because it’s confirmed in scripture-



Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Luke 9:23



We as the body of Christ who are the daily sacrifice must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation can begin. The removal of Christ’s bride is the event that starts the last week of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy where the restrainer is removed so as the Anti-Christ will be revealed on the world-stage (not yet inhabited by Satan as this takes place mid-way through the 7-year Tribulation) and peace and safety will be falsely proclaimed across the world after the bride is removed and the world is formed into the One world order beast system.

The so-called “elites” know the pre-tribulation Rapture is biblical as scripture proves it and they are eagerly awaiting for Christ’s bride to be gone. Things will seem nice for a time during the first half of the 7-year Tribulation until mid-way through it when Satan is cast out of Heaven and literal hell will unfold.


The Rapture happens in the blink of an eye and marks the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. Conversely, people will see the Coming of Christ on the clouds in His second coming and all the armies of the world will be prepared to war against Him. This is yet another stark difference between the removal of Christ’s bride for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which is a joyous time and the Second Coming of Christ in judgment which will be terror for those on earth. Paul says he shouldn’t even have to write to us as we’ll know in our spirit in these last days the season we’ll be in and that season is now, right this very second. The Rapture can happen at any moment.



But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

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I am interested in the truth. Please show where the tribulation starts and this 7 year tribulation you are talking about. Daniel 9 shows a 70th week and then Christ is cut off in the middle of the week leaving 3.5 years. Where is the full 7 that is left?

As for the tribulation anything before the sun and moon going dark is the tribulation after the sun and moon go dark is God's wrath as stated in Matthew 24:29. The sun and moon going dark is a clear indication throughout the OT and NT of where God's wrath starts.
 Quoting: Achduke7


We as the body of Christ who are the daily sacrifice must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation can begin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270



Where does the bible clearly state that the Body of Christ/the Church is the daily sacrifice in the temple?

Where does the bible clearly state that the 'Tribulation' is a 7 year period?

You see, it is assumptions like this that get you off on the wrong path.

When you are hiking and you take the wrong path, you are lost.
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I believe we have lost our Pre-Trib Rapture friends.

Come back and discuss ... MUCH to learn here.
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We don't need to discuss nothing. We actually beleive
what the Bible says. Pre Trib is truth.
The bride is gone before the Tribulation.
It's pretty simple.
 Quoting: Mdc61170


Where does it say the Bride is gone? If you believe the Bible you should be able to point the verses that say this.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Thought you were smart enough to know church and bride being the same. 2Corinthians 11:2
Read Ephesians 5. You rapture deniers are like " the jab is safe" dummies. Where
in the Bible are their verses telling,and
warning the church to be strong against the
AC,and don't take the mark as a Christian.
Also, how do you effectively present the gospel to
someone? You tell them sorry, but you're going to have go through the tribulation,and their
is no blessed hope. You also spit in the face
of all the great evangelists of the past and call them liars. Moody, Spurgeon, Billy Sunday,Roloff ,to name a few. Get off your
own indignation,and simply believe the
Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
 Quoting: Mdc61170


First of all this was a letter to the Corinthians.

Second Paul wanted them to be espoused but he was also fearful they would not be. Keep reading into 11:3

So Paul wanted the Corinthians to be the bride but was afraid they may become corrupt. Where in the bible does it say the whole church is the Bride of Christ?

Paul mentioned multiple members. Christ mentioned the Bridegroom which was himself. The friends of the Bridegroom which he alluded to was the 12 disciples with him. Also he mentions the wedding guests which are supposed to be in proper clothing. (New Temple Bodies?) and he also mentioned the bride. It would seem that not all the church is the bride but a part of those that are saved.

Lastly Ephesians 5 does not say the whole church is the bride either. It just says the church is subject to Christ similarity how the Wives are subject to their husbands.

The only place the marriage of the bride is specified is in Revelation and in Revelation the bride is New Jerusalem. Now it can be speculated that since we are living temples in the spiritual house that we could be part of New Jerusalem that is all speculation. What did Christ say about presuming?

Luke 14:8-11 8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; 9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. 10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. 11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.




2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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I am interested in the truth. Please show where the tribulation starts and this 7 year tribulation you are talking about. Daniel 9 shows a 70th week and then Christ is cut off in the middle of the week leaving 3.5 years. Where is the full 7 that is left?

As for the tribulation anything before the sun and moon going dark is the tribulation after the sun and moon go dark is God's wrath as stated in Matthew 24:29. The sun and moon going dark is a clear indication throughout the OT and NT of where God's wrath starts.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Christ being cut off symbolizes Satan falling from Heaven and no longer ever having entrance to Heaven where he takes bodily autonomy of the Anti-Christ and in his wrath, goes after the last remnant of God’s people and will force all to receive his mark and worship him which will be mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation.
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No where does it say that cut off is satan. This is presumption.

Daniel 12:11 gives us the exact number of days which are 1290 when the bride is removed (daily sacrifice) and the abomination of desolation will be set up in the temple (the mark of the beast) which is mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270

It does not say the daily sacrifice being taken away is the church. This is presumption.

The sacrifice was taken away when the physical temple was destroyed after Christ was crucified.
At that time, Satan is finally cast out of Heaven for good where he will force his mark on all inhabitants of earth and demand worship as all other gods of every religion including the one and only God through Jesus Christ will no longer be able to be followed or worshipped and the penalty for refusing to bow down and worship the Anti-Christ which is Satan himself will be death.

“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:11


We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. We know the body of Christ is the daily sacrifice because it’s confirmed in scripture-



Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Luke 9:23



We as the body of Christ who are the daily sacrifice must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation can begin. The removal of Christ’s bride is the event that starts the last week of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy where the restrainer is removed so as the Anti-Christ will be revealed on the world-stage (not yet inhabited by Satan as this takes place mid-way through the 7-year Tribulation) and peace and safety will be falsely proclaimed across the world after the bride is removed and the world is formed into the One world order beast system.

The so-called “elites” know the pre-tribulation Rapture is biblical as scripture proves it and they are eagerly awaiting for Christ’s bride to be gone. Things will seem nice for a time during the first half of the 7-year Tribulation until mid-way through it when Satan is cast out of Heaven and literal hell will unfold.


The Rapture happens in the blink of an eye and marks the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. Conversely, people will see the Coming of Christ on the clouds in His second coming and all the armies of the world will be prepared to war against Him. This is yet another stark difference between the removal of Christ’s bride for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which is a joyous time and the Second Coming of Christ in judgment which will be terror for those on earth. Paul says he shouldn’t even have to write to us as we’ll know in our spirit in these last days the season we’ll be in and that season is now, right this very second. The Rapture can happen at any moment.



But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

1 Thessalonians 5: 1-11
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Once again this is all presumption in hopes it fits your pre-trib rapture theory. The bible does not say what you are presuming.

Where does it say the Church is the Daily Sacrifice taken away? This is bending of the scripture.

Where is the 7 years? 1290 days is just over 3.5 years. Even 1353 days is 7 years.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that make desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
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I am interested in the truth. Please show where the tribulation starts and this 7 year tribulation you are talking about. Daniel 9 shows a 70th week and then Christ is cut off in the middle of the week leaving 3.5 years. Where is the full 7 that is left?

As for the tribulation anything before the sun and moon going dark is the tribulation after the sun and moon go dark is God's wrath as stated in Matthew 24:29. The sun and moon going dark is a clear indication throughout the OT and NT of where God's wrath starts.
 Quoting: Achduke7


We as the body of Christ who are the daily sacrifice must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation can begin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270



Where does the bible clearly state that the Body of Christ/the Church is the daily sacrifice in the temple?

Where does the bible clearly state that the 'Tribulation' is a 7 year period?

You see, it is assumptions like this that get you off on the wrong path.

When you are hiking and you take the wrong path, you are lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

No, you’re the one that needs to see my boastful and ignorant friend as you have AC5432 seared to your forehead every time you post here. As I’ve said, you’re not interested in truth regarding this subject. Written out scripture spoon-fed to you like a child doesn’t suffice. And where does it say the tribulation is 7 years in length? Are you serious? This is common knowledge scholar regarding Daniel 9. The only time you will cede the fact the Rapture is pre-tribulation is when you physically watch with your own eyes the disappearance of millions worldwide and even then I’m not sure you’ll believe it.

I mean honestly, go back to page 5 and read all of your posts in this thread. You’re one of the very few who continually belittle others, attack them personally, call them cult members and whatever else. Ask yourself, are you bearing fruit slandering God’s promise to rescue His bride? Are you bringing people to God or sowing confusion gleefully? Are you bearing fruit attacking others and mocking them because you’re blind to basic scripture? Perhaps your blindness is because of your obstinate pride and perhaps humbling yourself is in order, maybe then you will see? Believer it or not, I’m trying help you here.

You will only continue attacking though here and elsewhere because you fear what you don’t understand and continue doubling down in your ignorance. Your pride won’t allow you to simply sit back and learn.



The “seventy weeks” prophecy is one of the most significant and detailed Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. It is found in Daniel 9. The chapter begins with Daniel praying for Israel, acknowledging the nation’s sins against God and asking for God’s mercy. As Daniel prayed, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and gave him a vision of Israel’s future.

The Divisions of the 70 Weeks
In verse 24, Gabriel says, “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city.” Almost all commentators agree that the seventy “sevens” should be understood as seventy “weeks” of years, in other words, a period of 490 years. These verses provide a sort of “clock” that gives an idea of when the Messiah would come and some of the events that would accompany His appearance.

The prophecy goes on to divide the 490 years into three smaller units: one of 49 years, one of 434 years, and one 7 years. The final “week” of 7 years is further divided in half.

The Final Week of the 70 Weeks
Of the 70 “sevens,” 69 have been fulfilled in history. This leaves one more “seven” yet to be fulfilled. Most scholars believe that we are now living in a huge gap between the 69th week and the 70th week. The prophetic clock has been paused, as it were. The final “seven” of Daniel is what we usually call the tribulation period.

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I am interested in the truth. Please show where the tribulation starts and this 7 year tribulation you are talking about. Daniel 9 shows a 70th week and then Christ is cut off in the middle of the week leaving 3.5 years. Where is the full 7 that is left?

As for the tribulation anything before the sun and moon going dark is the tribulation after the sun and moon go dark is God's wrath as stated in Matthew 24:29. The sun and moon going dark is a clear indication throughout the OT and NT of where God's wrath starts.
 Quoting: Achduke7


We as the body of Christ who are the daily sacrifice must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation can begin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270



Where does the bible clearly state that the Body of Christ/the Church is the daily sacrifice in the temple?

Where does the bible clearly state that the 'Tribulation' is a 7 year period?

You see, it is assumptions like this that get you off on the wrong path.

When you are hiking and you take the wrong path, you are lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

No, you’re the one that needs to see my boastful and ignorant friend as you have AC5432 seared to your forehead every time you post here. As I’ve said, you’re not interested in truth regarding this subject. Written out scripture spoon-fed to you like a child doesn’t suffice. And where does it say the tribulation is 7 years in length? Are you serious? This is common knowledge scholar regarding Daniel 9. The only time you will cede the fact the Rapture is pre-tribulation is when you physically watch with your own eyes the disappearance of millions worldwide and even then I’m not sure you’ll believe it.

I mean honestly, go back to page 5 and read all of your posts in this thread. You’re one of the very few who continually belittle others, attack them personally, call them cult members and whatever else. Ask yourself, are you bearing fruit slandering God’s promise to rescue His bride? Are you bringing people to God or sowing confusion gleefully? Are you bearing fruit attacking others and mocking them because you’re blind to basic scripture? Perhaps your blindness is because of your obstinate pride and perhaps humbling yourself is in order, maybe then you will see? Believer it or not, I’m trying help you here.

You will only continue attacking though here and elsewhere because you fear what you don’t understand and continue doubling down in your ignorance. Your pride won’t allow you to simply sit back and learn.



The “seventy weeks” prophecy is one of the most significant and detailed Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. It is found in Daniel 9. The chapter begins with Daniel praying for Israel, acknowledging the nation’s sins against God and asking for God’s mercy. As Daniel prayed, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and gave him a vision of Israel’s future.

The Divisions of the 70 Weeks
In verse 24, Gabriel says, “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city.” Almost all commentators agree that the seventy “sevens” should be understood as seventy “weeks” of years, in other words, a period of 490 years. These verses provide a sort of “clock” that gives an idea of when the Messiah would come and some of the events that would accompany His appearance.

The prophecy goes on to divide the 490 years into three smaller units: one of 49 years, one of 434 years, and one 7 years. The final “week” of 7 years is further divided in half.

The Final Week of the 70 Weeks
Of the 70 “sevens,” 69 have been fulfilled in history. This leaves one more “seven” yet to be fulfilled. Most scholars believe that we are now living in a huge gap between the 69th week and the 70th week. The prophetic clock has been paused, as it were. The final “seven” of Daniel is what we usually call the tribulation period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270



You keep reviewing the same things that I know already, having been a pre-tribulationalist myself.

No, I'm not going to recite your flawed endtimes view back to you .. for it is WRONG.

You still cannot produce the scriptures that undergird your false assumptions; even when they are no longer used by eminent pretribbers, you double down on error.

This type of mentality in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary IS cultic. That's what worries me, seeing as how a majority of protestants believe this deception.

The time has come, due to the extreme uptick in 'rapture' questions, to squash this pre-trib rumor in it's tracks.



You can't find ANY of the scriptures that state your position clearly, so you
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Once again this is all presumption in hopes it fits your pre-trib rapture theory. The bible does not say what you are presuming.

Where does it say the Church is the Daily Sacrifice taken away? This is bending of the scripture.

Where is the 7 years? 1290 days is just over 3.5 years. Even 1353 days is 7 years.
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This is not presumption, this your inability to read scripture and cross reference scripture and like your AC5432 buddy on page 6 who you were high-fiving and agreeing with, you’re unable to understand basic scripture spoon-fed and laid out for you with clear explanation because you’re blind from your ingrained, preconceived notion of the rapture that doesn’t align scripturally.

This is why I regret responding because no matter how much scripture and explanation and cross-referencing verifying scripture is presented, your mind will not change as you’re unable to learn so to further discussion is pointless with you or the AC5432 character. You both are unable to learn and no matter how much I or anyone else tries to show you two, you’ll continue misinterpreting scripture and arguing with said misinterpreted scripture.

You argue and argue with misunderstanding just basic scripture. In this thread, you’ve argued for example against a pre-tribulation rapture by claiming the 144k are the bride of Christ. How is the bride of Christ raptured (who you claim are the 144k) when these people are all slain for their testimony during the Tribulation? How are slain people raptured? What would be the point? There is none because it isn’t scriptural nor logical.

I submit the bride is not actually the whole church but actually the 144k but that is for a different thread.

Thank you,
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I’ve explained so as an 8-year old may understand above using scripture, take it or leave it friend. Good luck.
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Once again this is all presumption in hopes it fits your pre-trib rapture theory. The bible does not say what you are presuming.

Where does it say the Church is the Daily Sacrifice taken away? This is bending of the scripture.

Where is the 7 years? 1290 days is just over 3.5 years. Even 1353 days is 7 years.
 Quoting: Achduke7

This is not presumption, this your inability to read scripture and cross reference scripture and like your AC5432 buddy on page 6 who you were high-fiving and agreeing with, you’re unable to understand basic scripture spoon-fed and laid out for you with clear explanation because you’re blind from your ingrained, preconceived notion of the rapture that doesn’t align scripturally.
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It is presumption. You fail to see everywhere the resurrection in the New Testament and refer to as the Rapture.

The Resurrection is in Matthew 24, 1 Thess 4:14-18 and Revelation 11:11-12 to name a few locations. They are all Christ gathering his people up to him in the clouds.
The Harpazo is the gathering but before we are gathered to him we are resurrected and given new bodies as Paul points out. Would you go to Christ in your old flesh body? No! We have new spirit bodies.


There are only two resurrections left. The 1st is the Resurrection of the Just. Revelation calls it the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 and it happens in the twink of an eye or instantly. This pulls in all believers in Christ. This is the resurrection you do not want to miss and Revelation spells it out. These are tribulation saints who have not taken the mark of the Beast.

This is why I regret responding because no matter how much scripture and explanation and cross-referencing verifying scripture is presented, your mind will not change as you’re unable to learn so to further discussion is pointless with you or the AC5432 character. You both are unable to learn and no matter how much I or anyone else tries to show you two, you’ll continue misinterpreting scripture and arguing with said misinterpreted scripture.

You argue and argue with misunderstanding just basic scripture. In this thread, you’ve argued for example against a pre-tribulation rapture by claiming the 144k are the bride of Christ. How is the bride of Christ raptured (who you claim are the 144k) when these people are all slain for their testimony during the Tribulation? How are slain people raptured? What would be the point? There is none because it isn’t scriptural nor logical.

I submit the bride is not actually the whole church but actually the 144k but that is for a different thread.

Thank you,
 Quoting: Achduke7



I’ve explained so as an 8-year old may understand above using scripture, take it or leave it friend. Good luck.
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I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.

If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
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I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.

If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
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The 144k are not the bride of Christ rescued because they die per scripture therefore they are not rescued, that was my point. They also live during Great Tribulation which they will see with their own eyes and they will be hunted and although protected for a time, will all be killed. These are not the bride of Christ who will be Raptured who will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb as all of these 144k are appointed death. If the 144k all die, who will be on earth alive and remaining that will be caught up in the Rapture? Do you not see why what you’re suggesting makes zero sense?


My question regarding a Rapture of the 144k if they were in fact the bride of Christ was to illustrate the pointlessness of a Rapture if they all die and to prove your theory wrong. I’m well aware that the dead rise first in the Rapture and that was also a point I was trying to prove. The dead resurrected in the Rapture and those who die during the 7-year Tribulation are two very different things. The dead raptured with Christ will experience the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Those who are left behind and forced to endure the 7-year Tribulation and are killed for their testimony have to wait under the altar until all are slain in the 7-year Tribulation where they all will be given white robes and will later reign with Christ during his millennial reign.



The 144k being the raptured bride of Christ isn’t scriptural as they are slain therefore a rescue is impossible and the fact upon death in the Tribulation, they are told to “wait a little longer” and also where they reside under the altar in death until all are slain. If just the 144k were the bride of Christ as you posit and they all die, there would be no one alive of the bride when Christ comes to rescue His bride therefore there would be no rescue. My first post in this thread also proves a post-tribulation theory is impossible scripturally.

Again, good luck.
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I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.

If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
 Quoting: Achduke7

The 144k being the raptured bride of Christ isn’t scriptural as they are slain therefore a rescue is impossible and the fact upon death in the Tribulation, they are told to “wait a little longer” and also where they reside under the altar in death until all are slain. If just the 144k were the bride of Christ as you posit and they all die, there would be no one alive of the bride when Christ comes to rescue His bride therefore there would be no rescue. My first post in this thread also proves a post-tribulation theory is impossible scripturally.

Again, good luck.
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Where is this rescue of the bride in the Bible and why is it needed if they are all resurrected and then caught up in the clouds with the rest of the believers dead and then alive?

Also I believe the wait a little longer are those in the fifth seal. The Resurrection and then wrath are after the 6th seal.

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6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
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I’ve explained so as an 8-year old may understand above using scripture, take it or leave it friend. Good luck.
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Again, good luck.
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I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.

If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
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The 144k being the raptured bride of Christ isn’t scriptural as they are slain therefore a rescue is impossible and the fact upon death in the Tribulation, they are told to “wait a little longer” and also where they reside under the altar in death until all are slain. If just the 144k were the bride of Christ as you posit and they all die, there would be no one alive of the bride when Christ comes to rescue His bride therefore there would be no rescue. My first post in this thread also proves a post-tribulation theory is impossible scripturally.

Again, good luck.
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Where is this rescue of the bride in the Bible and why is it needed if they are all resurrected and then caught up in the clouds with the rest of the believers dead and then alive?

Also I believe the wait a little longer are those in the fifth seal. The Resurrection and then wrath are after the 6th seal.
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The rescue of the bride is-

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17




Why is the rescue needed? So the bride does not go through Tribulation, is guaranteed salvation and distributed heavenly rewards and also to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The bride rescued are those in Christ physically alive at the time of the Rapture who are caught up before the Tribulation takes place, scripture certifies this fact regardless of your want of it to not be true.

Those who are asleep or who’ve died in Christ are already with Jesus in Heaven awaiting the Rapture to come with Him in the Rapture to reunite with their bodies so that they can put on incorruptible, heavenly bodies and all can take part of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. This is precisely why Paul tells us to encourage one another with these words.

The people rescued are those who are alive on earth that are taken, not the 144k who are appointed to die. This is why we are told to pray that we are counted worthy to escape (Luke 21:36) the worst time ever on earth in the history of humanity which is the 7-year Tribulation. Those alive and raptured will be kept from the hour of temptation (the 7-year Tribulation).

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:10
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Since they cannot and will not see it,

they will again declare you wrong,

because they can't be.


Perhaps they judge themselves unworthy?


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Sakkot is a practice for the second Exodus.



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God will have His people gathered together for that event when Yeshua returns at the last trump.

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Since they cannot and will not see it,

they will again declare you wrong,

because they can't be.


Perhaps they judge themselves unworthy?


hmm
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I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
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I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.

If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
 Quoting: Achduke7

The 144k being the raptured bride of Christ isn’t scriptural as they are slain therefore a rescue is impossible and the fact upon death in the Tribulation, they are told to “wait a little longer” and also where they reside under the altar in death until all are slain. If just the 144k were the bride of Christ as you posit and they all die, there would be no one alive of the bride when Christ comes to rescue His bride therefore there would be no rescue. My first post in this thread also proves a post-tribulation theory is impossible scripturally.

Again, good luck.
 Quoting: Seek^


Where is this rescue of the bride in the Bible and why is it needed if they are all resurrected and then caught up in the clouds with the rest of the believers dead and then alive?

Also I believe the wait a little longer are those in the fifth seal. The Resurrection and then wrath are after the 6th seal.
 Quoting: Achduke7

The rescue of the bride is-

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17




Why is the rescue needed? So the bride does not go through Tribulation, is guaranteed salvation and distributed heavenly rewards and also to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The bride rescued are those in Christ physically alive at the time of the Rapture who are caught up before the Tribulation takes place, scripture certifies this fact regardless of your want of it to not be true.

Those who are asleep or who’ve died in Christ are already with Jesus in Heaven awaiting the Rapture to come with Him in the Rapture to reunite with their bodies so that they can put on incorruptible, heavenly bodies and all can take part of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. This is precisely why Paul tells us to encourage one another with these words.

The people rescued are those who are alive on earth that are taken, not the 144k who are appointed to die. This is why we are told to pray that we are counted worthy to escape (Luke 21:36) the worst time ever on earth in the history of humanity which is the 7-year Tribulation. Those alive and raptured will be kept from the hour of temptation (the 7-year Tribulation).

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:10
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1 Thess 4:17 is the resurrection as told by 1 Thess 4:14. This is the 1st resurrection and as I mentioned before in Rev 20:4-6 it is the same resurrection as the tribulation saints.

Read 1 Thess 4:14 and you will see the context is completely the resurrection.

You say the bride does not go through tribulation but this is not in the Bible. We are not destined for God's Wrath but the Wrath of God is for the children of disobedience. Do you believe God's witness and the 144K are disobedient? Do you believe the seed of the Women of Rev 12 are disobedient? No, Then they are not destined for Wrath but that does not mean they don't see Tribulation. The Church/Bride/144/2 Witness and the seed of the Woman of Rev 12 all see Tribulation. The woman of Rev 12 is protected by God in the wilderness but that does not mean a rapture. Israel during exodus was also protected in the wilderness.



Rev 3:10 also say even this church must overcome. It does not say they are raptured. God can protect his own and always has protected his people.

Also read the text before Luke before 21:36. Escape means escaping Wrath and standing before the Son of Man. Look up and when you see the Sun and Moon go dark. This is the wrath start and you redemption is near.



Rev 3:12 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

1 Thess 4:14-18 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose <--- Resurrection again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will <--- Resurrection God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Luke 11:25-28 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Revelation 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

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Since they cannot and will not see it,

they will again declare you wrong,

because they can't be.


Perhaps they judge themselves unworthy?


hmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85115688

I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
 Quoting: Seek^


Why are you afraid of others going into tribulation. Tribulation is our time to shine. We need to be prepared and have root. We need faith in God and his Son. That is what you need to teach.




Matt 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

2 Cor 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2 Cor 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

2 Thess 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

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