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I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
 Quoting: Seek^


Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
 Quoting: Achduke7

The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
 Quoting: Seek^



Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
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Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
 Quoting: Achduke7

The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
 Quoting: Seek^



Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7



No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
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The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
 Quoting: Seek^



Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7



No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
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My motives are the search for the truth. I do not believe the rapture doctrine told by dispensationalists is true. The Rapture doctrine will turn off many when they feel lied to by their leaders and pastors.

Can you honestly tell me that Matthew 24 does not apply to you even though Christ gathers his people?

Who are you anyway? You have 3 posts. Why not come out of hiding and register a name.

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The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
 Quoting: Seek^



Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7



No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.
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Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
 Quoting: Achduke7

The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
 Quoting: Seek^



Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.
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Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7



No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Then who are these people?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
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We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7



No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Then who are these people?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 Quoting: Achduke7


That verse is refers to believers that are tribulation saints, not unbelievers.

Zechariah 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Those individuals are believers that worship, they did not participate in the attack themselves even though they are from the nations that came against Jerusalem. They are tribulation saints and not gathered into the winepress.

Those that participate in the attack are destroyed by the LORD as given in the verse prior to it.

Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7



No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Do you have a learning disability?

This has been answered several times already ...


Just because you keep posting the same retarded question does not make it true.
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No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036


Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Then who are these people?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 Quoting: Achduke7


That verse is refers to believers that are tribulation saints
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It's ALWAYS tribulation saints to you deceivers.
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Do you have a learning disability?

This has been answered several times already ...


Just because you keep posting the same retarded question does not make it true.

It's ALWAYS tribulation saints to you deceivers.
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The answer is simple.

All unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

Zechariah 14:16 refers to believers because they are not gathered into the winepress.

My repeating it doesn't make it true, I repeat it because it is true.

You're the one that doesn't want to accept the truth I guess, or maybe it's you that's got a learning disability.
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For pre-tribbers let's keep this simple. Who are these people?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
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For pre-tribbers let's keep this simple. Who are these people?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
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You're grasping at straws now...

This debate is nothing new, post tribbers have never been able to explain how unbelievers escape the winepress and enter the millenium in natural bodies. It is believers who come out of tribulation that go into the millennium with natural bodies which can only happen with a pretrib rapture.
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For pre-tribbers let's keep this simple. Who are these people?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
 Quoting: Achduke7


You're grasping at straws now...

This debate is nothing new, post tribbers have never been able to explain how unbelievers escape the winepress and enter the millenium in natural bodies. It is believers who come out of tribulation that go into the millennium with natural bodies which can only happen with a pretrib rapture.
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Why would they be resurrected into their original bodies. In the resurrection we get new bodies. Your answer makes no sense.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

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Revelation 20 describes a millennial kingdom, a 1,000-year literal period during which Jesus will reign from His throne in Jerusalem. Who will occupy this millennial kingdom?

In some cases, it is clear who will be with Jesus in this millennial kingdom. First Thessalonians 4:17 notes that believers in Jesus Christ who join Him during the rapture will be with Him forever. Therefore, every Christian from the time of Jesus on earth to the rapture will be in the millennial kingdom.

Second, there will be those who are resurrected after Christ returns to earth. Revelation 20:4-6 describes these individuals. Verse 4 notes, "Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." This includes people who will come to faith in Jesus after the rapture and die during the tribulation period.

Third, Ezekiel 37:12-14 appears to note that believers in the Lord prior to Jesus' death, resurrection, and the start of the church on the Day of Pentecost will dwell in the Promised Land with the Lord.

Fourth, it appears that those people who become believers during the seven-year tribulation who do not die will enter the millennial kingdom alive (Matthew 25:31-46). These believers will live long lives, marry, and have children (Isaiah 65:20-25).

All of these people will live with the Lord during this time period. During this time Satan will be bound, offering a time of peace in the Promised Land. Though the curse of sin will not completely be removed until the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21—22), many of the effects of sin will be changed, as people live longer life spans, peace exists, and Satan is bound during this time.

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Second, there will be those who are resurrected after Christ returns to earth. Revelation 20:4-6 describes these individuals. Verse 4 notes, "Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." This includes people who will come to faith in Jesus after the rapture and die during the tribulation period.
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I know you do not like replying to me but it is called the first resurrection.

You are bending scripture to fit your pre-trib narrative.
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This debate is nothing new, post tribbers have never been able to explain how unbelievers escape the winepress and enter the millenium in natural bodies. It is believers who come out of tribulation that go into the millennium with natural bodies which can only happen with a pretrib rapture.
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Why would they be resurrected into their original bodies. In the resurrection we get new bodies. Your answer makes no sense.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
 Quoting: Achduke7


Nobody is being resurrected into their original bodies.

The living believers that come out of tribulation will remain in their original bodies.

The resurrection doesn't take place post tribulation because if it did, all believers would have glorified bodies at that point and nobody will be left to enter the millennium in natural bodies because all unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

But if the rapture takes place earlier, pretrib, then it becomes possible for living believers who later come out of tribulation to not receive glorified bodies right away and enter the millennium with their natural ones and populate it.

There's no other way to explain how people will enter the millennium in natural bodies.
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This debate is nothing new, post tribbers have never been able to explain how unbelievers escape the winepress and enter the millenium in natural bodies. It is believers who come out of tribulation that go into the millennium with natural bodies which can only happen with a pretrib rapture.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Why would they be resurrected into their original bodies. In the resurrection we get new bodies. Your answer makes no sense.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
 Quoting: Achduke7


Nobody is being resurrected into their original bodies.

The living believers that come out of tribulation will remain in their original bodies.

The resurrection doesn't take place post tribulation because if it did, all believers would have glorified bodies at that point and nobody will be left to enter the millennium in natural bodies because all unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

But if the rapture takes place earlier, pretrib, then it becomes possible for living believers who later come out of tribulation to not receive glorified bodies right away and enter the millennium with their natural ones and populate it.

There's no other way to explain how people will enter the millennium in natural bodies.
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Well that is where you are wrong. Those resurrected in Rev 20:4-6 are post tribulation. Unless people are taking the mark of the beast and being beheaded for Christ before the tribulation.
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Excerpted conclusion from

The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

by Paul K.


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"More proof that the Rapture is Pre-Trib is hidden in the timing of the Two Witnesses. The evidence for this becomes clear as we investigate the question of when the Two Witnesses' ministry begins-during the first half of the Tribulation, or during the second."



"When the first day of the 7-year Trib period (i.e., Daniel's 70th week, Daniel 9:27) begins, it is then that the Two Witnesses appear; their ministry begins on Day 1 of the Trib period, and ends on Day 1,260, when the Antichrist commits the Abomination of Desolation and goes out to murder them.

Now, when you see the impossibility of the time of the Two Witnesses' ministry being in the second half, thus requiring that it be in the first half, you can see the evidence for the Rapture showing clearly as Pre-Trib. Think about it for a moment. The Church of Jesus Christ is commanded to be Jesus' witnesses. (Acts 1:8) Why would God put into operation these two spectacular witnesses to bear witness of Jesus Christ, if the Church were still on Earth to do that job as it has for the past 2,000 years?"


"However, with the Pre-Trib Rapture happening, billions of people will suddenly have no one to tell them about Jesus. The Bride Church will all be gone. However, with the time of the Two Witnesses' ministry beginning on Day 1 of the Trib, people will be hearing about Jesus despite the disappearance of Christians in the Rapture. I believe it is the ministry of the Two Witnesses that brings to faith the 144,000 male J**s of Revelation 7:1-8. These J***sh men finally believe in Jesus, and realize that the time is short, and while the Two Witnesses minister to Israel, the 144,000 spread out over all the Gentile nations to share Jesus Christ. Someone has compared it to 144,000 Billy Grahams let loose on the world at once!

This, too, is an evidence that the Rapture is Pre-Trib. As said earlier, Jesus gave to His Church the job of being witnesses to Him. (Acts 1:8) Why would God now use two J***sh witnesses doing the miracles of Moses and Elijah, and 144,000 J***sh men to share the gospel, unless it were necessary because the Church is no longer on Earth to do the job?"



Explained in much greater detail at:
[link to www.ltradio.org]
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Excerpted conclusion from

The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

by Paul K.


When the first day of the 7-year Trib period
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Right off the bat the guy is in deep doodoo.

Where in the scripture is Daniel's 70th Week (7 years) called 'the Tribulation' period?

I'm gonna have to see it in print ...

Jesus called a period of time 'the Great Tribulation', but that is only for 3.5 years.
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Excerpted conclusion from

The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

by Paul K.


When the first day of the 7-year Trib period
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85119373



Right off the bat the guy is in deep doodoo.

Where in the scripture is Daniel's 70th Week (7 years) called 'the Tribulation' period?

I'm gonna have to see it in print ...

Jesus called a period of time 'the Great Tribulation', but that is only for 3.5 years.
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sounds like you need to study this book first

Daniel

time, times, half a time
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Excerpted conclusion from

The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

by Paul K.


When the first day of the 7-year Trib period
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70412288

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85119373



Right off the bat the guy is in deep doodoo.

Where in the scripture is Daniel's 70th Week (7 years) called 'the Tribulation' period?

I'm gonna have to see it in print ...

Jesus called a period of time 'the Great Tribulation', but that is only for 3.5 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


sounds like you need to study this book first

Daniel

time, times, half a time
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I referenced the Book of Daniel, so it's a pretty safe bet that I know what is in it.

time, times and half a time = 3.5 years

What about the 7 year tribulation?

I can't find a 7 year tribulation in the Word of God .. let alone the Book of Daniel.
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This debate is nothing new, post tribbers have never been able to explain how unbelievers escape the winepress and enter the millenium in natural bodies. It is believers who come out of tribulation that go into the millennium with natural bodies which can only happen with a pretrib rapture.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Why would they be resurrected into their original bodies. In the resurrection we get new bodies. Your answer makes no sense.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
 Quoting: Achduke7


Nobody is being resurrected into their original bodies.

The living believers that come out of tribulation will remain in their original bodies.

The resurrection doesn't take place post tribulation because if it did, all believers would have glorified bodies at that point and nobody will be left to enter the millennium in natural bodies because all unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

But if the rapture takes place earlier, pretrib, then it becomes possible for living believers who later come out of tribulation to not receive glorified bodies right away and enter the millennium with their natural ones and populate it.

There's no other way to explain how people will enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Well that is where you are wrong. Those resurrected in Rev 20:4-6 are post tribulation. Unless people are taking the mark of the beast and being beheaded for Christ before the tribulation.
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It's not incorrect just because you say so, lol.

I'm going to have to assume you're trolling and not really looking for the truth.

Like I said these debates are nothing new.

Post tribulation theroy falls on that very sword. It fails. It's not possible because it cannot account for people with original natural bodies getting into the millennium.

You can't in clear conscience just ignore that.
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Why would they be resurrected into their original bodies. In the resurrection we get new bodies. Your answer makes no sense.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
 Quoting: Achduke7


Nobody is being resurrected into their original bodies.

The living believers that come out of tribulation will remain in their original bodies.

The resurrection doesn't take place post tribulation because if it did, all believers would have glorified bodies at that point and nobody will be left to enter the millennium in natural bodies because all unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

But if the rapture takes place earlier, pretrib, then it becomes possible for living believers who later come out of tribulation to not receive glorified bodies right away and enter the millennium with their natural ones and populate it.

There's no other way to explain how people will enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Well that is where you are wrong. Those resurrected in Rev 20:4-6 are post tribulation. Unless people are taking the mark of the beast and being beheaded for Christ before the tribulation.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It's not incorrect just because you say so, lol.

I'm going to have to assume you're trolling and not really looking for the truth.

Like I said these debates are nothing new.

Post tribulation theroy falls on that very sword. It fails. It's not possible because it cannot account for people with original natural bodies getting into the millennium.

You can't in clear conscience just ignore that.
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As Revelation 20:4-6 show is that it is post-trib. These people have gone through the tribulation as the Mark proves.
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Nobody is being resurrected into their original bodies.

The living believers that come out of tribulation will remain in their original bodies.

The resurrection doesn't take place post tribulation because if it did, all believers would have glorified bodies at that point and nobody will be left to enter the millennium in natural bodies because all unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

But if the rapture takes place earlier, pretrib, then it becomes possible for living believers who later come out of tribulation to not receive glorified bodies right away and enter the millennium with their natural ones and populate it.

There's no other way to explain how people will enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Well that is where you are wrong. Those resurrected in Rev 20:4-6 are post tribulation. Unless people are taking the mark of the beast and being beheaded for Christ before the tribulation.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It's not incorrect just because you say so, lol.

I'm going to have to assume you're trolling and not really looking for the truth.

Like I said these debates are nothing new.

Post tribulation theroy falls on that very sword. It fails. It's not possible because it cannot account for people with original natural bodies getting into the millennium.

You can't in clear conscience just ignore that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85085494


As Revelation 20:4-6 show is that it is post-trib. These people have gone through the tribulation as the Mark proves.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Just because you don't understand how Rev. 20:4-6 fits with the pre-trib view doesn't mean nobody else does. It just means you need to study it more to properly understand it yourself. Lots of online sources that's for sure.

Would love to see you promoting the blessed hope instead of stumping the unlearned.

I'll pray for you, all the best.
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Well that is where you are wrong. Those resurrected in Rev 20:4-6 are post tribulation. Unless people are taking the mark of the beast and being beheaded for Christ before the tribulation.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It's not incorrect just because you say so, lol.

I'm going to have to assume you're trolling and not really looking for the truth.

Like I said these debates are nothing new.

Post tribulation theroy falls on that very sword. It fails. It's not possible because it cannot account for people with original natural bodies getting into the millennium.

You can't in clear conscience just ignore that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85085494


As Revelation 20:4-6 show is that it is post-trib. These people have gone through the tribulation as the Mark proves.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Just because you don't understand how Rev. 20:4-6 fits with the pre-trib view doesn't mean nobody else does. It just means you need to study it more to properly understand it yourself. Lots of online sources that's for sure.

Would love to see you promoting the blessed hope instead of stumping the unlearned.

I'll pray for you, all the best.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85085466


I think you are trolling. Other then praying you are adding nothing to the conversation. Does the Mark of the beast happen before the tribulation?

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And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.


1Thessalonians 3:12,13
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at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

with all His saints.
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...it is post-trib.
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At the Second Coming Return of Jesus Christ,

Jesus comes here to stay here.

So where do you think your Raptured get sent to?





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