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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
 Quoting: Seek^


"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Unbelievers not of God’s chosen who enter into the 7-year Tribulation and later through faith in Christ become saved and die are included as Tribulation Saints as well and had they believed before the Tribulation began, they would have been spared and been Harpazo’d.
 Quoting: Seek^



Explain how they can be saved with no one here preaching them the Gospel, nor a Holy Spirit to seal them unto the Day of Redemption?

Without the Holy Spirit, they ARE NOT saved.

There is no '7 year tribulation' in scripture.

Daniel's 70th Week lasts 7 years, the first half (3.5 years) of which was fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry.

The last half (3.5 years) is called the 'Great Tribulation' by Jesus. It is initiated by the 'Abomination of Desolation' spoken of by Daniel and Jesus.

At the end of the 'Great Tribulation' period (3.5 years, not 7) there is cosmic disturbance, a Great earthquake then Jesus arrives and raptures His own.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7



The 7-year Tribulation is the last week of Daniel’s 70th prophecy. The first 3.5 years of the 7-year Tribulation is when the restrainer is removed and the man of lawlessness is revealed upon the world stage immediately after the pre-Tribulation Rapture
 Quoting: Seek^


There is no '7 year tribulation' in scripture.

Daniel's 70th Week lasts 7 years, the first half (3.5 years) of which was fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry.

The last half (3.5 years) is called the 'Great Tribulation' by Jesus. It is initiated by the 'Abomination of Desolation' spoken of by Daniel and Jesus.

At the end of the 'Great Tribulation' period (3.5 years, not 7) there is cosmic disturbance, a Great earthquake then Jesus arrives and raptures His own.



In addition, your series of events does not match what Paul told the Thessalonians.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"


First comes the Falling Away

Next comes the revealing of the man of sin

Then comes our ingathering to Christ (rapture/resurrection)
[Notice, ONE Resurrection]



PPS - If the restrainer (Holy Spirit according to pre-Trib rapture people) is removed, then there is no longer a chance for salvation. You missed it. No 'tribulation saints' that are innumerable in number.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Unbelievers not of God’s chosen who enter into the 7-year Tribulation and later through faith in Christ become saved and die are included as Tribulation Saints as well and had they believed before the Tribulation began, they would have been spared and been Harpazo’d.
 Quoting: Seek^



Explain how they can be saved with no one here preaching them the Gospel, nor a Holy Spirit to seal them unto the Day of Redemption?

Without the Holy Spirit, they ARE NOT saved.

There is no '7 year tribulation' in scripture.

Daniel's 70th Week lasts 7 years, the first half (3.5 years) of which was fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry.

The last half (3.5 years) is called the 'Great Tribulation' by Jesus. It is initiated by the 'Abomination of Desolation' spoken of by Daniel and Jesus.

At the end of the 'Great Tribulation' period (3.5 years, not 7) there is cosmic disturbance, a Great earthquake then Jesus arrives and raptures His own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318




Guess you never heard about the 144k and the 3 witnesses or the angles that are still here proclaiming Christ. You’re embarrassing yourself.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
 Quoting: Seek^


"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


So who will welcome the antichrist as their messiah falsely- Christians?!

READ YOUR BIBLE.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
 Quoting: Seek^


"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


So who will welcome the antichrist as their messiah falsely- Christians?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75431352



Pre-Tribulation Rapture people, that's who.

They will be fooled into believing the counterfeit jesus.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
 Quoting: Seek^


"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318

False. There’s a major difference and that major difference is belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ makes all equal where J__ and Gentile are one in the same as through faith we are one body. You’re cherry-picking and misinterpreting scripture.

“For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him.


Who is the Lord of Lords referred to above? Jesus Christ. What one must do? Call upon Him.




What is the next verse immediately after the verse you quoted above?

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:13

What does the J__ do right now today? Not call upon Jesus. What is the point of the Tribulation? So the J__ repent. Who is the Tribulation centered around? Israel.

The second two verses you misinterpret above as well and the same principle holds true for all three you quoted. Faith in Christ alone makes us equal and all one body regardless if J__ or Gentile.

Faith in Christ makes us all equal regardless of background, God’s wrath remains on all who reject Christ. Israel is not the bride of Christ because they reject Him. Because of their rejection of His son, they must go through the Tribulation so that they may repent and save their souls through faith in Jesus Christ.


Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 3:36
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Unbelievers not of God’s chosen who enter into the 7-year Tribulation and later through faith in Christ become saved and die are included as Tribulation Saints as well and had they believed before the Tribulation began, they would have been spared and been Harpazo’d.
 Quoting: Seek^



Explain how they can be saved with no one here preaching them the Gospel, nor a Holy Spirit to seal them unto the Day of Redemption?

Without the Holy Spirit, they ARE NOT saved.

There is no '7 year tribulation' in scripture.

Daniel's 70th Week lasts 7 years, the first half (3.5 years) of which was fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry.

The last half (3.5 years) is called the 'Great Tribulation' by Jesus. It is initiated by the 'Abomination of Desolation' spoken of by Daniel and Jesus.

At the end of the 'Great Tribulation' period (3.5 years, not 7) there is cosmic disturbance, a Great earthquake then Jesus arrives and raptures His own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318




Guess you never heard about the 144k and the 3 witnesses or the angles that are still here proclaiming Christ. You’re embarrassing yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83314930



Get real.

The number would not be 'innumerable' at the 6th Seal if it did not include Saints from all the ages.

The embarrassment is all yours with your 'tribulation saint' nonsense.

Now that you've speculated incorrectly how they got the Gospel, how are they saved?

With no Holy Spirit around, how are they saved?

Are YOU saved without the Holy Spirit?

Egg on YOUR face.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
 Quoting: Seek^


"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318

False. There’s a major difference and that major difference is belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ makes all equal where J__ and Gentile are one in the same as through faith we are one body. You’re cherry-picking and misinterpreting scripture.
 Quoting: Seek^



There are believers in Jesus Christ who are messianic j__s.

There is no difference between gentile believers and messianic j__s.

It's the same Spirit, as Paul says.

The problem is that the hyper-dispensationalism that you believe puts a wall of separation between the two.

You say, God cannot work with Grace Age Believers (gentiles and messianic j__s) and The State of Israel at the same time.
Hogwash.

God can do whatever He wants to do.
Then He reveals it to His servants to believe.

NOTHING is impossible for God.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Your confusion is not realizing that those who are left behind and are forced to go through the 7-year Tribulation are not the church as Christ’s body/church is taken pre-tribulation in the Rapture and their removal starts the 7-year Tribulation itself.

Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel who by definition excludes them from His body of believers as they already deny Jesus as their Savior. The entire point of the Tribulation is for God’s chosen throughout the Bible to finally turn to Jesus and is why the Tribulation is centered around these people and why Christ’s bride is never mentioned in Chapters 4-20 of Revelation when these events of the Tribulation are described.

The denial of God’s son who is the only one who can save their soul as God’s wrath remains on them for their unbelief (John 3:36) for these people is the entire point of the Tribulation. Unbelievers not of God’s chosen who enter into the 7-year Tribulation and later through faith in Christ become saved and die are included as Tribulation Saints as well and had they believed before the Tribulation began, they would have been spared and been Harpazo’d.

The 7-year Tribulation is the last week of Daniel’s 70th prophecy. The first 3.5 years of the 7-year Tribulation is when the restrainer is removed and the man of lawlessness is revealed upon the world stage immediately after the pre-Tribulation Rapture where he ushers in a false peace (1 Thes 5:13) and those left “shall not escape” and are forced to endure the 7-year Tribulation as I’ve explained multiple times throughout this thread.

The 3.5 years you’re referencing above is the last 3.5 years of the 7-year Tribulation that I’ve already explained multiple times in this thread where Satan is cast out of Heaven permanently and assumes bodily control of his Anti-Christ puppet and forces the mark and all to worship him and those who oppose are hunted and killed.
 Quoting: Seek^


Where does it say any of the saints deny Christ in Revelation or Daniel?

Where does it say in Daniel the tribulation is 7 years?

The 144K are from Israel and certainly do not deny Christ.

The offspring of the woman of Rev 12 do not deny Christ yet they are persecuted.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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Your confusion is separating Israel and the saints from the church. Also where is a 7 year tribulation defined in Revelation? I only see 3.5 years or forty two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
 Quoting: Seek^


"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318

False. There’s a major difference and that major difference is belief in the Lord Jesus Christ.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 Quoting: Seek^



Are you really saying that people can be saved without the Holy Spirit AND without belief in the Gospel?

Just by saying 'Jesus Christ' they will be saved ... no Holy Spirit, no Gospel.

Really?
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I’d be more concerned about this then a timing on a rapture.


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Your confusion stems from claiming the church are those of Israel
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"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


So who will welcome the antichrist as their messiah falsely- Christians?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75431352



Pre-Tribulation Rapture people, that's who.

They will be fooled into believing the counterfeit jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


And who will build the Jweish temple he defiled, more Tribulation non-jwes?!

READ THE BIBLE!
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And you believe that the people that know antichrist comes before Jesus returns will believe the antichrist is Jesus?!


You are dumb.
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"For there is no difference between the J__ and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

"And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference"


There is no difference. Read your bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


So who will welcome the antichrist as their messiah falsely- Christians?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75431352



Pre-Tribulation Rapture people, that's who.

They will be fooled into believing the counterfeit jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


And who will build the Jweish temple he defiled, more Tribulation non-jwes?!

READ THE BIBLE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75431352


Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;



Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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I’d be more concerned about this then a timing on a rapture.


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Unfortunately Kate, that is because you are a law person.
Christians call them legalists or j_daizers.

"But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are cir___cised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.”

I'll try to go easy on you, because you are a new 'seeker'.
I don't call you a christian, because by your own admission you are not christian.

It is common for a newbie to be 'gung-ho' for the commandments and for God. You are not mature enough for meat, so you substitute the energy of your flesh obeying words written on cold stone for the lifegiving spirit of God within you.

You have yet to discover that the Law is a curse.

"For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"


By your admission, you are not christian. Therefore you do not believe the Gospel - The death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

You are left with obedience to the Law for your righteouness; you have stumbled over the stumbling stone and the rock of offense.

"What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.
Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
As it is written:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
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God doesnt come before tribulation, he said over and over im coming on the last day and every eye will see me, and every tongue confess that i am Lord, and every knee will bow.

He comes as a Lion to receive those that are His. And sets the New Jerusalem down upon the earth in front of everyone.

Those left behind are the fallen removed and imprisoned for a thousand years.

If it were going to be different than that or on some other day i would have told you so. See that you be not deceived into anything that God has not proclaimed Himself.

On The Last Day sounds pretty specific to me.
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Unbelievers not of God’s chosen who enter into the 7-year Tribulation and later through faith in Christ become saved and die are included as Tribulation Saints as well and had they believed before the Tribulation began, they would have been spared and been Harpazo’d.
 Quoting: Seek^



Explain how they can be saved with no one here preaching them the Gospel, nor a Holy Spirit to seal them unto the Day of Redemption?

Without the Holy Spirit, they ARE NOT saved.

There is no '7 year tribulation' in scripture.

Daniel's 70th Week lasts 7 years, the first half (3.5 years) of which was fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry.

The last half (3.5 years) is called the 'Great Tribulation' by Jesus. It is initiated by the 'Abomination of Desolation' spoken of by Daniel and Jesus.

At the end of the 'Great Tribulation' period (3.5 years, not 7) there is cosmic disturbance, a Great earthquake then Jesus arrives and raptures His own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318




Guess you never heard about the 144k and the 3 witnesses or the angles that are still here proclaiming Christ. You’re embarrassing yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83314930



Get real.

The number would not be 'innumerable' at the 6th Seal if it did not include Saints from all the ages.

The embarrassment is all yours with your 'tribulation saint' nonsense.

Now that you've speculated incorrectly how they got the Gospel, how are they saved?

With no Holy Spirit around, how are they saved?

Are YOU saved without the Holy Spirit?

Egg on YOUR face.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318


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God doesnt come before tribulation, he said over and over im coming on the last day and every eye will see me, and every tongue confess that i am Lord, and every knee will bow.

He comes as a Lion to receive those that are His. And sets the New Jerusalem down upon the earth in front of everyone.

Those left behind are the fallen removed and imprisoned for a thousand years.

If it were going to be different than that or on some other day i would have told you so. See that you be not deceived into anything that God has not proclaimed Himself.

On The Last Day sounds pretty specific to me.
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Interesting passage in Zechariah the 14th Chapter, verses 16-19:

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."


Certainly sounds like unredeemed survivors of Armageddon to me ... on the earth during the millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.
[This is for all those who suppose that only redeemed believers are on earth during Christ's Millennial Reign]
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Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalms 27:5
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I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity


you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;


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^^ WHEN IS THIS??
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We will be hidden through trouble (tribulation), but saved from His Wrath.
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^^ WHEN IS THIS??
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We will be hidden through trouble (tribulation), but saved from His Wrath.
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In your opinion and interpretation of Scripture

or thus sayeth you?
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^^ WHEN IS THIS??
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We will be hidden through trouble (tribulation), but saved from His Wrath.
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God doesnt need a rapture to do that, he's been doing it for me already my entire life.chuckle
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And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.



1Thessalonians 3:12,13

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When is this?

The Second Coming Return of Jesus Christ, right?


With who?!

How many?!


:hm:
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Jesus returns

WITH ALL HIS SAINTS.


Right?
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Read this.



I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity


you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84382615
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We will be hidden through trouble (tribulation), but saved from His Wrath.
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So you believe the Rapture is Mid-Tribulation, Pre-Wrath,

3 1/2 years into the 7 years,

is this right?
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We will be hidden through trouble (tribulation), but saved from His Wrath.
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In your opinion and interpretation of Scripture

or thus sayeth you?
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Thus says the Word of God.





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