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Even if all Christians believe in pre-tribulation rapture, the rapture will still happen after the tribulation, because this is the truth.
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You are saying because some Christians don't believe in the pretrib rapture, even though they live their lives ready for Christ to return at any time, they will be left behind to suffer through the tribulation.

Are they not saved, either? Are they now condemned to the second death because of uncertainty?
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Dosey was raised Catholic, and his uncle is a Catholic priest in Cincinnati. Dorsey attended Bishop DuBourg High School. In his younger days, he worked occasionally as a fashion model. By age 14, he had become interested in dispatch routing

So he was raised in a family with a Catholic priest and worked as a fashion model when he was just a kid, before age 14

Well, he certainly seems to have been in a position to have his brain rewired by deviants, possibly from birth

This shit certainly is generational
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The harpazo happens at the time of his second coming during the resurrection.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Listen friend, I’m not going to bury this thread going back and forth with you with basic scripture, it’s obvious you’re unwilling to learn and you did this in my last thread. We’re not doing this again, I’m not going to touch your other false misinterpretations below the above. I answer your questions and you just gloss over and continue in argument and we’re not doing it again. A post-tribulation rapture is impossible and I’ve already proven this several times in this thread alone.

Good luck to you.
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So why making an effort to comment on this matter here anyway? Go to an Chelsi Bedell video, with self loving pseudo youtube rapture christians like yourself and keep telling yourself that you can all feel that the rapture will happen very soon. Like you clowns did it the past 3 years, with your false prophets and their false prophecies and high watch times. I can tell you pseudo rapture christians your future, based on your past. This year your false prophets will pull atleast one "high watch time", which won't fullfill like it never did in the past. And then next year your cycle of clownery begins over... with blood moons, full moons, eclipses, J-holidays and while you sit on your lazy asses waiting for something to happen instead going out and spreading the gospel, you will comfort each other with your known phrases "i can feel the rapture is about to happen". You are a bunch of clowns who are despised because you are the epitome of self centered.

But it's ok, have a good flight and don't get smacked by the door on your way out.
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The harpazo happens at the time of his second coming during the resurrection.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Listen friend, I’m not going to bury this thread going back and forth with you with basic scripture, it’s obvious you’re unwilling to learn and you did this in my last thread. We’re not doing this again, I’m not going to touch your other false misinterpretations below the above. I answer your questions and you just gloss over and continue in argument and we’re not doing it again. A post-tribulation rapture is impossible and I’ve already proven this several times in this thread alone.

Good luck to you.
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So why making an effort to comment on this matter here anyway? Go to an Chelsi Bedell video, with self loving pseudo youtube rapture christians like yourself and keep telling yourself that you can all feel that the rapture will happen very soon. Like you clowns did it the past 3 years, with your false prophets and their false prophecies and high watch times. I can tell you pseudo rapture christians your future, based on your past. This year your false prophets will pull atleast one "high watch time", which won't fullfill like it never did in the past. And then next year your cycle of clownery begins over... with blood moons, full moons, eclipses, J-holidays and while you sit on your lazy asses waiting for something to happen instead going out and spreading the gospel, you will comfort each other with your known phrases "i can feel the rapture is about to happen". You are a bunch of clowns who are despised because you are the epitome of self centered.

But it's ok, have a good flight and don't get smacked by the door on your way out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84880529

To save someone with a non-blinded mind. Look at my original post and scripture in this thread. Can you refute it? No. Because it’s the truth and we are not appointed to wrath.

Now, let’s look to your post above of vitriol and why? Why? That’s my question, why? Why do you hate a free ticket out of what’s about to happen. You choose one little video I post of a female giving her opinion to slander me? Why not face scripture that I’ve presented in this thread? The very little as very little is needed.

The simple fact of the matter is a post tribulation rapture is non-scriptural as I’ve proven, a pre-tribulation rapture is scriptural and will happen and could happen at any second.

The reason I comment on this matter is because souls for eternity are at stake and it’s the most important time in human history minus Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension. That’s why I comment on this matter.

Using personal attacks amazes me and proves the truth isn’t in you nor do you have an open mind to the truth. You could but you have to lose your pride.

I mean honestly, read your response above and self-reflect. The better question is in your state, why did you even comment? Any questions I will do my best to answer but throwing out personal attacks does nothing to me, the only one who you’re hurting is yourself in the end.
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You are saying because some Christians don't believe in the pretrib rapture, even though they live their lives ready for Christ to return at any time, they will be left behind to suffer through the tribulation.

Are they not saved, either? Are they now condemned to the second death because of uncertainty?
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Not at all. I’m saying those who vehemently deny the Rapture at every chance they get “could” (I use the word could) be in jeopardy to being left behind as this is prevalent many places especially online and seems for whatever reason to derive from a spirit of pride. It was a simple warning. This should be a joyous time, an encouraging time for all of us. Not a ripping each other apart time and that’s what I don’t understand, the scoffing and berating among believers.

With that said, I know many completely unaware of the Rapture will be taken if they are walking in the Spirit and have accepted Christ.

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What if you're wrong?
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Well then I get some pre-trib something but I would have to ignore all the verses I posted that say otherwise. You say people ignore your preaching but where is the gospel? Dispensational doctrine is opinion. Where are the verses to back up claims like the Holy Spirit leaves during the tribulation or the multitude are only j ish people when they are so many they cannot be counted and come from all nations. Even Paul does not think he gets his crown of salvation until Christ returns.

2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Listen, I’ll answer one more time but you assume so much and gloss over what you choose to gloss over and what doesn’t fit your preconceived notion you simply discard. The Holy Spirit is the restrainer and will be removed for a time and this will allow for evil to commence. There will be revivals and Christ who dispenses the Holy Spirit will do so during the Tribulation but immediately, when the bride of Christ is removed, the Holy Spirit which is the restrainer will be fully removed. Those who wake up and realize their error and pray and seek God will receive the Holy Spirit and will be led along with those who give their lives to Christ and die for God will also be saved during the Tribulation.


Not every single thing that’s going to happen is written in the Bible as to how it will play out day by day, one has to use the Holy Spirit or Counselor to help guide and come to the truth and deduce as well as cross-reference scripture to come to the proper conclusion. This is why taking, as you’ve done several times in this thread, random scripture and apply it random places doesn’t work and misleads and I’m not going to bury this thread attempting to explain it to you.

You can’t see that we’re not appointed to God’s wrath and that hardship or “tribulation” in a man’s life such as Paul is different than what God calls the worst time ever on earth for humanity and will be worse than the flood? Fine.

You can’t differentiate between the days of Noah while people are having fun, eating and drinking and giving in marriage (today) which is the Rapture when Christ comes for His bride (with which He specifically and immediately follows up after the Noah’s flood reference with “one man/woman being taken and another being left behind”) opposed to the earth being an unrecognizable landscape with the seals already opened and the vials of God’s wrath poured upon the earth and all of mankind left having the mark and being in the ranks of Satan ready to war with Jesus physically on earth (not a party for man at this time) in Christ’s Second Coming in judgment? Fine.

Good luck to you friend. Think what you want to think.

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OP! Sorry to break it to you, but it has already begun. Seems like you were left behind! See for yourself...


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OP! Sorry to break it to you, but it has already begun. Seems like you were left behind! See for yourself...


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there have been important people removed off the planet early.. has nothing to do with rapture.
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The harpazo happens at the time of his second coming during the resurrection.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Listen friend, I’m not going to bury this thread going back and forth with you with basic scripture, it’s obvious you’re unwilling to learn and you did this in my last thread. We’re not doing this again, I’m not going to touch your other false misinterpretations below the above. I answer your questions and you just gloss over and continue in argument and we’re not doing it again. A post-tribulation rapture is impossible and I’ve already proven this several times in this thread alone.

Good luck to you.
 Quoting: Seek^


So why making an effort to comment on this matter here anyway? Go to an Chelsi Bedell video, with self loving pseudo youtube rapture christians like yourself and keep telling yourself that you can all feel that the rapture will happen very soon. Like you clowns did it the past 3 years, with your false prophets and their false prophecies and high watch times. I can tell you pseudo rapture christians your future, based on your past. This year your false prophets will pull atleast one "high watch time", which won't fullfill like it never did in the past. And then next year your cycle of clownery begins over... with blood moons, full moons, eclipses, J-holidays and while you sit on your lazy asses waiting for something to happen instead going out and spreading the gospel, you will comfort each other with your known phrases "i can feel the rapture is about to happen". You are a bunch of clowns who are despised because you are the epitome of self centered.

But it's ok, have a good flight and don't get smacked by the door on your way out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84880529

To save someone with a non-blinded mind. Look at my original post and scripture in this thread. Can you refute it? No. Because it’s the truth and we are not appointed to wrath.

Now, let’s look to your post above of vitriol and why? Why? That’s my question, why? Why do you hate a free ticket out of what’s about to happen. You choose one little video I post of a female giving her opinion to slander me? Why not face scripture that I’ve presented in this thread? The very little as very little is needed.

The simple fact of the matter is a post tribulation rapture is non-scriptural as I’ve proven, a pre-tribulation rapture is scriptural and will happen and could happen at any second.

The reason I comment on this matter is because souls for eternity are at stake and it’s the most important time in human history minus Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension. That’s why I comment on this matter.

Using personal attacks amazes me and proves the truth isn’t in you nor do you have an open mind to the truth. You could but you have to lose your pride.

I mean honestly, read your response above and self-reflect. The better question is in your state, why did you even comment? Any questions I will do my best to answer but throwing out personal attacks does nothing to me, the only one who you’re hurting is yourself in the end.
 Quoting: Seek^


YOU are not appointed to wrath? John the Baptizer was beheaded. Jesus was killed cruelly and brutally on a torture stake. Stephen was stoned. James was thrown down upon the rock. Peter was hung upside down and tortured. On and on of those who suffered unto death for their beliefs and preaching but YOU are special and this is not your fate if the end were to come? As I saw in a post above the quote of those who will be beheaded for remaining steadfast and faithful to GOD.
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Listen friend, I’m not going to bury this thread going back and forth with you with basic scripture, it’s obvious you’re unwilling to learn and you did this in my last thread. We’re not doing this again, I’m not going to touch your other false misinterpretations below the above. I answer your questions and you just gloss over and continue in argument and we’re not doing it again. A post-tribulation rapture is impossible and I’ve already proven this several times in this thread alone.

Good luck to you.
 Quoting: Seek^


So why making an effort to comment on this matter here anyway? Go to an Chelsi Bedell video, with self loving pseudo youtube rapture christians like yourself and keep telling yourself that you can all feel that the rapture will happen very soon. Like you clowns did it the past 3 years, with your false prophets and their false prophecies and high watch times. I can tell you pseudo rapture christians your future, based on your past. This year your false prophets will pull atleast one "high watch time", which won't fullfill like it never did in the past. And then next year your cycle of clownery begins over... with blood moons, full moons, eclipses, J-holidays and while you sit on your lazy asses waiting for something to happen instead going out and spreading the gospel, you will comfort each other with your known phrases "i can feel the rapture is about to happen". You are a bunch of clowns who are despised because you are the epitome of self centered.

But it's ok, have a good flight and don't get smacked by the door on your way out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84880529

To save someone with a non-blinded mind. Look at my original post and scripture in this thread. Can you refute it? No. Because it’s the truth and we are not appointed to wrath.

Now, let’s look to your post above of vitriol and why? Why? That’s my question, why? Why do you hate a free ticket out of what’s about to happen. You choose one little video I post of a female giving her opinion to slander me? Why not face scripture that I’ve presented in this thread? The very little as very little is needed.

The simple fact of the matter is a post tribulation rapture is non-scriptural as I’ve proven, a pre-tribulation rapture is scriptural and will happen and could happen at any second.

The reason I comment on this matter is because souls for eternity are at stake and it’s the most important time in human history minus Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension. That’s why I comment on this matter.

Using personal attacks amazes me and proves the truth isn’t in you nor do you have an open mind to the truth. You could but you have to lose your pride.

I mean honestly, read your response above and self-reflect. The better question is in your state, why did you even comment? Any questions I will do my best to answer but throwing out personal attacks does nothing to me, the only one who you’re hurting is yourself in the end.
 Quoting: Seek^


YOU are not appointed to wrath? John the Baptizer was beheaded. Jesus was killed cruelly and brutally on a torture stake. Stephen was stoned. James was thrown down upon the rock. Peter was hung upside down and tortured. On and on of those who suffered unto death for their beliefs and preaching but YOU are special and this is not your fate if the end were to come? As I saw in a post above the quote of those who will be beheaded for remaining steadfast and faithful to GOD.
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None of the above were of the wrath of God, that’s the difference. You’re conflating the evilness of man inflicted upon another human being with the wrath of God. Someone today will die a terrible, unjust, tortuous death somewhere in the world. In fact, multiple people will. The difference though are these deaths are not the result of the wrath of God.

We are not appointed to wrath and Christ’s bride will not experience the Tribulation.
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So why making an effort to comment on this matter here anyway? Go to an Chelsi Bedell video, with self loving pseudo youtube rapture christians like yourself and keep telling yourself that you can all feel that the rapture will happen very soon. Like you clowns did it the past 3 years, with your false prophets and their false prophecies and high watch times. I can tell you pseudo rapture christians your future, based on your past. This year your false prophets will pull atleast one "high watch time", which won't fullfill like it never did in the past. And then next year your cycle of clownery begins over... with blood moons, full moons, eclipses, J-holidays and while you sit on your lazy asses waiting for something to happen instead going out and spreading the gospel, you will comfort each other with your known phrases "i can feel the rapture is about to happen". You are a bunch of clowns who are despised because you are the epitome of self centered.

But it's ok, have a good flight and don't get smacked by the door on your way out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84880529

To save someone with a non-blinded mind. Look at my original post and scripture in this thread. Can you refute it? No. Because it’s the truth and we are not appointed to wrath.

Now, let’s look to your post above of vitriol and why? Why? That’s my question, why? Why do you hate a free ticket out of what’s about to happen. You choose one little video I post of a female giving her opinion to slander me? Why not face scripture that I’ve presented in this thread? The very little as very little is needed.

The simple fact of the matter is a post tribulation rapture is non-scriptural as I’ve proven, a pre-tribulation rapture is scriptural and will happen and could happen at any second.

The reason I comment on this matter is because souls for eternity are at stake and it’s the most important time in human history minus Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension. That’s why I comment on this matter.

Using personal attacks amazes me and proves the truth isn’t in you nor do you have an open mind to the truth. You could but you have to lose your pride.

I mean honestly, read your response above and self-reflect. The better question is in your state, why did you even comment? Any questions I will do my best to answer but throwing out personal attacks does nothing to me, the only one who you’re hurting is yourself in the end.
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YOU are not appointed to wrath? John the Baptizer was beheaded. Jesus was killed cruelly and brutally on a torture stake. Stephen was stoned. James was thrown down upon the rock. Peter was hung upside down and tortured. On and on of those who suffered unto death for their beliefs and preaching but YOU are special and this is not your fate if the end were to come? As I saw in a post above the quote of those who will be beheaded for remaining steadfast and faithful to GOD.
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We are not appointed to wrath and Christ’s bride will not experience the Tribulation.
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Correct on the wrath but where is your proof that Christ's bride will not experience tribulation
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Correct on the wrath but where is your proof that Christ's bride will not experience tribulation
 Quoting: Achduke7

From the time Christ’s bride is removed, there will be exactly 3 1/2 years per scripture to the day. The bride must be removed for the Tribulation to begin. Exactly 3 1/2 years after the bride is removed will be when Satan is cast out of Heaven and the abomination of desolation will be set up. The clock begins ticking once the bride is removed.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11




We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. The daily sacrifice being taken away signifies the church in the Rapture before the Anti-Christ is revealed and the abomination of desolation is set up.


These scriptures below attest to the body of Christ being a sacrifice.


I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1
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Correct on the wrath but where is your proof that Christ's bride will not experience tribulation
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From the time Christ’s bride is removed, there will be exactly 3 1/2 years per scripture to the day. The bride must be removed for the Tribulation to begin. Exactly 3 1/2 years after the bride is removed will be when Satan is cast out of Heaven and the abomination of desolation will be set up. The clock begins ticking once the bride is removed.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11




We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. The daily sacrifice being taken away signifies the church in the Rapture before the Anti-Christ is revealed and the abomination of desolation is set up.


These scriptures below attest to the body of Christ being a sacrifice.


I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1
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These are some great verses but where does it say the church does not experience the Great Tribulation or that they are removed before the tribulation?
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You do not use verse, you use opinion. Those are not facts. I preach for everyone to be ready before Christ comes back. Is it better to be prepared and not need it or not be prepared and need it? We need all the faith in God and Christ to over come that which lies ahead.

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watergirls That's another lie. You have been quoted many times on various Rapture threads over the years with the verses that describe the Rapture. But your hardened heart treats them as if they don't exist. Then you have the nerve to complain when someone does not quote a verse.

One day you are going to have to answer for it, if you die in your sins.
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Correct on the wrath but where is your proof that Christ's bride will not experience tribulation
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From the time Christ’s bride is removed, there will be exactly 3 1/2 years per scripture to the day. The bride must be removed for the Tribulation to begin. Exactly 3 1/2 years after the bride is removed will be when Satan is cast out of Heaven and the abomination of desolation will be set up. The clock begins ticking once the bride is removed.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11




We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. The daily sacrifice being taken away signifies the church in the Rapture before the Anti-Christ is revealed and the abomination of desolation is set up.


These scriptures below attest to the body of Christ being a sacrifice.


I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1
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These are some great verses but where does it say the church does not experience the Great Tribulation or that they are removed before the tribulation?
 Quoting: Achduke7

Pretty self-explanatory, I can’t read it for you. Thank you for without a doubt proving you’re not interested in truth. I just gave you numbered days that line up perfectly.

Let me try and help you one last time here in walking you through basic scripture. I refuse to believe you’re this obtuse.

Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel. 3 1/2 years to the day later, Satan, the accuser, is kicked out for good from Heaven where He assumes bodily autonomy of the puppet Anti-Christ and the abomination of desolation is set up and the Great Tribulation begins (midway through the 7-year Tribulation). Bride is gone when this takes place 3 1/2 years prior because it isn’t until the bride of Christ (daily sacrifice) is removed that the timeline for the 7-year Tribulation begins. It all hinges upon the removal of Christ’s bride as to when the Tribulation begins which could happen at any second hence this thread and why I’m warning people.
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Correct on the wrath but where is your proof that Christ's bride will not experience tribulation
 Quoting: Achduke7

From the time Christ’s bride is removed, there will be exactly 3 1/2 years per scripture to the day. The bride must be removed for the Tribulation to begin. Exactly 3 1/2 years after the bride is removed will be when Satan is cast out of Heaven and the abomination of desolation will be set up. The clock begins ticking once the bride is removed.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11




We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. The daily sacrifice being taken away signifies the church in the Rapture before the Anti-Christ is revealed and the abomination of desolation is set up.


These scriptures below attest to the body of Christ being a sacrifice.


I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1
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These are some great verses but where does it say the church does not experience the Great Tribulation or that they are removed before the tribulation?
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Pretty self-explanatory, I can’t read it for you. Thank you for without a doubt proving you’re not interested in truth. I just gave you numbered days that line up perfectly.

Let me try and help you one last time here in walking you through basic scripture. I refuse to believe you’re this obtuse.

Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel. 3 1/2 years to the day later, Satan, the accuser, is kicked out for good from Heaven where He assumes bodily autonomy of the puppet Anti-Christ and the abomination of desolation is set up and the Great Tribulation begins (midway through the 7-year Tribulation). Bride is gone when this takes place 3 1/2 years prior because it isn’t until the bride of Christ (daily sacrifice) is removed that the timeline for the 7-year Tribulation begins. It all hinges upon the removal of Christ’s bride as to when the Tribulation begins which could happen at any second hence this thread and why I’m warning people.
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Sorry, I was not following your logic earlier.

So you are equating the daily sacrifices removed to the bride being removed because the bride is to be presented as a living sacrifice? Am I reading this correctly?

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

I submit the bride is not actually the whole church but actually the 144k but that is for a different thread.

Thank you,

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From the time Christ’s bride is removed, there will be exactly 3 1/2 years per scripture to the day. The bride must be removed for the Tribulation to begin. Exactly 3 1/2 years after the bride is removed will be when Satan is cast out of Heaven and the abomination of desolation will be set up. The clock begins ticking once the bride is removed.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11




We as the church are supposed to live our lives daily as a sacrifice. We are supposed to die daily, deny our flesh and pick up our cross daily. The daily sacrifice being taken away signifies the church in the Rapture before the Anti-Christ is revealed and the abomination of desolation is set up.


These scriptures below attest to the body of Christ being a sacrifice.


I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1
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These are some great verses but where does it say the church does not experience the Great Tribulation or that they are removed before the tribulation?
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Pretty self-explanatory, I can’t read it for you. Thank you for without a doubt proving you’re not interested in truth. I just gave you numbered days that line up perfectly.

Let me try and help you one last time here in walking you through basic scripture. I refuse to believe you’re this obtuse.

Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel. 3 1/2 years to the day later, Satan, the accuser, is kicked out for good from Heaven where He assumes bodily autonomy of the puppet Anti-Christ and the abomination of desolation is set up and the Great Tribulation begins (midway through the 7-year Tribulation). Bride is gone when this takes place 3 1/2 years prior because it isn’t until the bride of Christ (daily sacrifice) is removed that the timeline for the 7-year Tribulation begins. It all hinges upon the removal of Christ’s bride as to when the Tribulation begins which could happen at any second hence this thread and why I’m warning people.
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Sorry, I was not following your logic earlier.

So you are equating the daily sacrifices removed to the bride being removed because the bride is to be presented as a living sacrifice? Am I reading this correctly?

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

I submit the bride is not actually the whole church but actually the 144k but that is for a different thread.

Thank you,
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No wonder you’re confused.
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I have been studying eschatology pretty seriously for two decades. I've come to the conclusion that if a person doesn't understand prophecy, the age of grace, the pre trib rapture, etc, then that person is almost always indoctrinated with Catholic ideas.....either from the RCC itself, or, from one of the many denominations that held onto made up Catholic ideas and teaching.

The RCC is the Woman that rides the Beast, 100%.

Anyway. My personal opinion is that the life of this planet will be 7000 years total. 4000 from creation to Jesus's birth, death and resurrection. There will be 2000 years from His ascension into heaven until His second coming. Most scholars believe he was crucified and resurrected in 33AD. I believe His return at the end of the Tribulation will be around 2033. Take seven years off for the Trib, that is around 2026 for the Rapture. It COULD be earlier, given that there may be a gap year or two between the rapture and beginning of the Trib. But IMO, we have a few years left.

After the Trib, the 1000 year Millennium starts.
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I have been studying eschatology pretty seriously for two decades. I've come to the conclusion that if a person doesn't understand prophecy, the age of grace, the pre trib rapture, etc, then that person is almost always indoctrinated with Catholic ideas.....either from the RCC itself, or, from one of the many denominations that held onto made up Catholic ideas and teaching.

The RCC is the Woman that rides the Beast, 100%.

Anyway. My personal opinion is that the life of this planet will be 7000 years total. 4000 from creation to Jesus's birth, death and resurrection. There will be 2000 years from His ascension into heaven until His second coming. Most scholars believe he was crucified and resurrected in 33AD. I believe His return at the end of the Tribulation will be around 2033. Take seven years off for the Trib, that is around 2026 for the Rapture. It COULD be earlier, given that there may be a gap year or two between the rapture and beginning of the Trib. But IMO, we have a few years left.

After the Trib, the 1000 year Millennium starts.
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Now, of course, no one knows the day or the hour

but we are expected to know the season..

Everyone has been speculating, of course, all my lifetime now

all certain that they were the special ones that really knew more than everyone else

and all were always all wrong, of course.

Many have always done the same. Many here.

And through all these years and discussions and studies,

it seems likely to me that The LORD probably is on a 2,000 year schedule or so... if not precisely...

and if He left around 32 ad

then we could expect Him to return around 2032 ad...

Now, if we allow for the 7-year Tribulation before that,

we would be looking at 2025 sometime as the beginning of the Tribulation.

That gives us 2023 and 2024 to get there

and that seems like a very realistic schedule about now...

in my opinion...

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Daniel’s 70 Weeks
The Precision of Prophecy



Gabriel told Daniel that the interval between the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem until the presentation of the Messiah as King would be 173,880 days.

The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C.

Jesus presented Himself as King. It occurred on April 6, 32 A.D.

March 14, 445 B.C. and April 6, 32 A.D.

173,880 days exactly, to the very day!



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I quote this most astonishing example again

only to attest to the high likelihood for Jesus' death and resurrection beginning the Church Age in 32 ad.

Whether accurate or not and whether without any other basis or not,
I seem to more and more be coming to the conclusion that a roughly but closely to 2,000 year time frame is required here, as God seems to be consistent 2,000 years Creation Adam to Noah, 2,000 years Noah to Christ, 2,000 years Christ 'til...

so that would put us around 2032 for the Return of Christ.

If so, then the 7 year Tribulation Time of Jacob's Trouble Daniel's 70th Week would probably begin sometime in 2025.

I believe the Rapture to most likely be before the Tribulation begins, likely a very short time before, but maybe a little longer, but not years before, so probably several years yet if this is at all ballpark close.

On the other hand, I'm good with getting out of here pronto if it be His Will. I remember 88 Reasons...

So... no clue on day or hour.. but my best guess is we may have a few short years remaining, but I most certainly could be wrong.

Consider those years His Patient Blessing for all those that will soon come to Believe in Him...

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These are some great verses but where does it say the church does not experience the Great Tribulation or that they are removed before the tribulation?
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Pretty self-explanatory, I can’t read it for you. Thank you for without a doubt proving you’re not interested in truth. I just gave you numbered days that line up perfectly.

Let me try and help you one last time here in walking you through basic scripture. I refuse to believe you’re this obtuse.

Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel. 3 1/2 years to the day later, Satan, the accuser, is kicked out for good from Heaven where He assumes bodily autonomy of the puppet Anti-Christ and the abomination of desolation is set up and the Great Tribulation begins (midway through the 7-year Tribulation). Bride is gone when this takes place 3 1/2 years prior because it isn’t until the bride of Christ (daily sacrifice) is removed that the timeline for the 7-year Tribulation begins. It all hinges upon the removal of Christ’s bride as to when the Tribulation begins which could happen at any second hence this thread and why I’m warning people.
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Sorry, I was not following your logic earlier.

So you are equating the daily sacrifices removed to the bride being removed because the bride is to be presented as a living sacrifice? Am I reading this correctly?

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

I submit the bride is not actually the whole church but actually the 144k but that is for a different thread.

Thank you,
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No wonder you’re confused.
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Why would that be confusion? The 144k are special among God snd Christ. They follow Christ where ever He goes and they are the only group seen returning with Christ.

Why do you believe the general Church is the bride?

The NT mentions 3 groups other than the bridegroom. These consist of the bride, friends of the bridegroom and the wedding guests.
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The 144k ...they are the only group seen returning with Christ.

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Christ comes to them at His return with all His saints.





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