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There's our difference Brother. Right there above. Do you see it?

[it’s impossible for there not to be a pre-tribulation Wrath rapture.]

Believe me when I say that I have VERY CAREFULLY and PRAYERFULLY considered this question of Rapture timing.

Try to make your mind see it from God's perspective.
Tribulation is manmade, Wrath is God made ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
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I was not speaking of the wrath of GOD, or his Son. I was speaking of the wrath of Satan and his minions on Earth.
Obviously the people I mentioned were not killed by GOD. But, by the people exercising power in the principalities of the World then. The Tribulation falls on all those on the Earth in those days. But, Satan will have his followers single out most heinously their enemies first. As those who are willing to resist Satan. They don't care about those they already have under their control. You are meant according to scriptures to count yourself as lucky to have a chance to prove your faith and be killed by the enemies of GOD. He can raise them up again so that nothing that man or Satan can do will have lasting harm.

It even points out those who were beheaded in the Tribulation for their faith. If he is plannig some pre-trib as you say, why are these faithful servants slain for their faith in being followers of Christ and of Yahweh our GOD?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80573488


These people are slain during the Great Tribulation because they missed the Rapture but thankfully repented and found Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Nowhere in the Word of God does it state this.

This is fabrication of men. (sometimes to sell books and DVDs)

Rather, the Word of God states that they do not repent:

"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

It’s a fabrication that people are beheaded in the Great Tribulation? Of course people are going to repent during the Great Tribulation, find God, be true to Him and be slain. And yes, there will be others that do not and will receive their punishment.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4

Not clear on your point.
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In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in chapters 1-4 the Church is mentioned 19 times but not again after ch. 4. What happened to the church ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83685067


Here they are in Rev 6:9
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held"

and here in Rev 7:3
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

and Rev 7:9
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

and Rev 7:17
"For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes"


Obviously I can go on ... so I won't belabor the point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

All of what you just quoted in scripture above is the 144,000 during the Tribulation. The bride is gone during the 7-year Tribulation.
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The Bride cannot be gone during the Tribulation, else whose heads are being cut off????
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I was not speaking of the wrath of GOD, or his Son. I was speaking of the wrath of Satan and his minions on Earth.
Obviously the people I mentioned were not killed by GOD. But, by the people exercising power in the principalities of the World then. The Tribulation falls on all those on the Earth in those days. But, Satan will have his followers single out most heinously their enemies first. As those who are willing to resist Satan. They don't care about those they already have under their control. You are meant according to scriptures to count yourself as lucky to have a chance to prove your faith and be killed by the enemies of GOD. He can raise them up again so that nothing that man or Satan can do will have lasting harm.

It even points out those who were beheaded in the Tribulation for their faith. If he is plannig some pre-trib as you say, why are these faithful servants slain for their faith in being followers of Christ and of Yahweh our GOD?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80573488


These people are slain during the Great Tribulation because they missed the Rapture but thankfully repented and found Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Nowhere in the Word of God does it state this.

This is fabrication of men. (sometimes to sell books and DVDs)

Rather, the Word of God states that they do not repent:

"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Of course people are going to repent during the Great Tribulation, find God, be true to Him and be slain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104


That directly contradicts what God has said, and I quoted, in His Word.

Do you make a practice of refuting what God has said?

"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."
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There's our difference Brother. Right there above. Do you see it?

[it’s impossible for there not to be a pre-tribulation Wrath rapture.]

Believe me when I say that I have VERY CAREFULLY and PRAYERFULLY considered this question of Rapture timing.

Try to make your mind see it from God's perspective.
Tribulation is manmade, Wrath is God made ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
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There's our difference Brother. Right there above. Do you see it?

[it’s impossible for there not to be a pre-tribulation Wrath rapture.]

Believe me when I say that I have VERY CAREFULLY and PRAYERFULLY considered this question of Rapture timing.

Try to make your mind see it from God's perspective.
Tribulation is manmade, Wrath is God made ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7



Props to you and another poster who correctly identify the difference between Tribulation and Wrath.

These odd, from out-of-left field interpretations is why there is such confusion.
as I said .. the stuff of what cults are born.
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There's our difference Brother. Right there above. Do you see it?

[it’s impossible for there not to be a pre-tribulation Wrath rapture.]

Believe me when I say that I have VERY CAREFULLY and PRAYERFULLY considered this question of Rapture timing.

Try to make your mind see it from God's perspective.
Tribulation is manmade, Wrath is God made ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Your problem is erroneous interpretation friend, it’s not only backed up by the number of days as to the abomination of desolation being set up which is the mid-way point of the 7-year Tribulation (3 1/2 years in to the Tribulation) but it defines multiple times in scripture what the daily sacrifice is, the body of Christ! It’s not debatable as scripture clearly states it unequivocally. To deny the definition of the daily sacrifice which is Christ’s body is to deny the definition God gives above for what He defines as the daily sacrifice which is offering “our bodies” as a “daily sacrifice” which is our “true and proper worship”.


Stay strong friend. I hate you’re blind to it and hope you find the truth, the number of days listed makes it beyond clear as to a pre-tribulation rapture. The daily sacrifice is the bride as scripture proves and must be removed and when the bride is removed, 1290 days will pass until the abomination of desolation is set up (which is the midway point of the Tribulation or Great Tribulation begins).

And as already mentioned, this is why the body of Christ is never mentioned after Chapter 4 in Revelation, the bride isn’t on earth but in heaven during the entirety of the 7-year Tribulation. That fact alone proves a pre-tribulation rapture, the references of the daily sacrifice (Christ’s bride) and the number of days are simply verification of what we already know and what scripture clearly states when cross-referencing.

Scripture disagrees with a mid-tribulation rapture on various accounts, it’s simply not biblical. You’re right on course though and close. Be joyful for a pre-tribulation rapture and ready yourself, it can happen at any second.

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And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7



Props to you and another poster who correctly identify the difference between Tribulation and Wrath.

These odd, from out-of-left field interpretations is why there is such confusion.
as I said .. the stuff of what cults are born.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

I’ve never once debated wrath verse tribulation. Not once. You’re confusing purposefully this fact to cause confusion.

You have zero rebuttal as to why the church is never mentioned in Revelation after Chapter 4 when the Tribulation (the entire 7-year Tribulation meaning both the first 3 1/2 years of false peace and the Great Tribulation) is explained in detail. It’s because they aren’t on earth.

You have no rebuttal other than “erroneous” to God’s definition of “daily sacrifice” scripturally which is defined as “our bodies” given as a “daily sacrifice” (meaning dying to the flesh and picking up one’s cross) as this is our “true and proper worship” to Him.

You have no rebuttal to how the number of days line up perfectly cross-referencing said scripture above proving that the bride must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation begins as we know Satan being cast out of Heaven and the abomination of desolation being set up is mid-way through the 7-year Tribulation and is the start of the Great Tribulation.


The only rebuttal is personally attacking me for simply deciphering obvious and basic scripture and explaining it so as a 6-year-old can understand.

You people amaze me and not only that “brother”, you accuse me of being in a cult? Absolutely pathetic. Your own words prove you have zero truth residing in you. Good luck to you.

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There's our difference Brother. Right there above. Do you see it?

[it’s impossible for there not to be a pre-tribulation Wrath rapture.]

Believe me when I say that I have VERY CAREFULLY and PRAYERFULLY considered this question of Rapture timing.

Try to make your mind see it from God's perspective.
Tribulation is manmade, Wrath is God made ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7

No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
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In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in chapters 1-4 the Church is mentioned 19 times but not again after ch. 4. What happened to the church ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83685067


Here they are in Rev 6:9
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held"

and here in Rev 7:3
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

and Rev 7:9
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

and Rev 7:17
"For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes"


Obviously I can go on ... so I won't belabor the point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

All of what you just quoted in scripture above is the 144,000 during the Tribulation. The bride is gone during the 7-year Tribulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



The Bride cannot be gone during the Tribulation, else whose heads are being cut off????
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Ask Archduke, guy thinks the 144,000 are the bride. You two may have something in common.
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In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in chapters 1-4 the Church is mentioned 19 times but not again after ch. 4. What happened to the church ??
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Weird how this question isn’t touched.
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And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7

No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
 Quoting: Seek^


I do not believe in midtrib because the tribulation is only 3.5 years and not 7 years from the start of the beast until he is defeated.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.



Here is a study I put together on Rev and the timelines.

Thread: Study of Woe, Revelation, Resurrection, Harpazo and Wrath of God

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LOL

That guy looks like a crazy hermit.

No click for you.
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And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:11

The daily sacrifice referred to above is Christ’s church. The two scriptures below attest to this-

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Corinthians 15:31

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
Romans 12:1


Bride is removed which is the daily sacrifice spoken of in Daniel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84869104



Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7

No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
 Quoting: Seek^



You are so caught up in pre, mid, and post positions that you cannot see the forest through all the trees.

I am not an adherent to any of those positions, so your labels are ineffective.

Your interpretations are of a private nature, as no one else believes the daily sacrifice in the Endtimes Temple is Church people.
That's just nuts. The antichrist kills with decapitation, not sacrificed at the Temple.

The Apostle Peter deals with this private interpretation issue:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

So you are wrong, and you will see your error.

BTW - The Rapture occurs some time AFTER the midpoint and immediately preceding the Day of the Lord/Wrath of Almighty God.
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LOL

That guy looks like a crazy hermit.

No click for you.
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Ok, I gave him a listen.

He incorrectly states the position of Pre-Wrath and incorrectly identifies the Trumpet of God.


Crazy hermit with some cognitive issues .. possibly a touch of dementia also. Get better teachers ...
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You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
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No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
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You are so caught up in pre, mid, and post positions that you cannot see the forest through all the trees.

I am not an adherent to any of those positions, so your labels are ineffective.

Your interpretations are of a private nature, as no one else believes the daily sacrifice in the Endtimes Temple is Church people.
That's just nuts. The antichrist kills with decapitation, not sacrificed at the Temple.

The Apostle Peter deals with this private interpretation issue:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

So you are wrong, and you will see your error.

BTW - The Rapture occurs some time AFTER the midpoint and immediately preceding the Day of the Lord/Wrath of Almighty God.
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Why are so wedded to the satanic rapture doctrines and the misaplied word rapture? Harpazo is correct. The word rapture and its usage to justify the satanic rapture doctrines is worse than wrong. It's deception.

And now to bigger things. What was the name of the girl who had the dreams/visions that started tge satanic rapture doctrines up? And what exactly did she claim? Thank You YAHshua to expose it all Amen
 Quoting: FHL(C)


The correct word IS Harpazo (a catching away), however we do not have the word 'harpazo' in the English language.

English is such a restrictive, non-colorful language .. as compared to say German.

The best that translators could do was describe the experience from the believer's perspective, rather than from the Creator's perspective.

The Harpazo (or 'rapture', in english) is not a satanic event, but rather a promise from the Creator to draw you unto Himself.
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You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7

No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
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You are so caught up in pre, mid, and post positions that you cannot see the forest through all the trees.

I am not an adherent to any of those positions, so your labels are ineffective.

Your interpretations are of a private nature, as no one else believes the daily sacrifice in the Endtimes Temple is Church people.
That's just nuts. The antichrist kills with decapitation, not sacrificed at the Temple.

The Apostle Peter deals with this private interpretation issue:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

So you are wrong, and you will see your error.

BTW - The Rapture occurs some time AFTER the midpoint and immediately preceding the Day of the Lord/Wrath of Almighty God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

And now to bigger things. What was the name of the girl who had the dreams/visions that started tge satanic rapture doctrines up? And what exactly did she claim? Thank You YAHshua to expose it all Amen
 Quoting: FHL(C)


Now there are many websites that have taken the vision of Margaret MacDonald and dissected it to say that it is a total Pre-Tribulational vision. But when you actually take the time to find the entire vision and read through it you will get the surprise of your life. It’s not the biblical Pre-Trib at all that Pre-Tribbers believe in, in fact it’s a Partial Pre-Trib rapture and a Post-Trib rapture.

John Nelson Darby and Benjamin Wills Newton, whom the Brethren sent on their behalf to investigate, came to the conclusion that these visions were demonic.
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No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
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You are so caught up in pre, mid, and post positions that you cannot see the forest through all the trees.

I am not an adherent to any of those positions, so your labels are ineffective.

Your interpretations are of a private nature, as no one else believes the daily sacrifice in the Endtimes Temple is Church people.
That's just nuts. The antichrist kills with decapitation, not sacrificed at the Temple.

The Apostle Peter deals with this private interpretation issue:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

So you are wrong, and you will see your error.

BTW - The Rapture occurs some time AFTER the midpoint and immediately preceding the Day of the Lord/Wrath of Almighty God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


Why are so wedded to the satanic rapture doctrines and the misaplied word rapture? Harpazo is correct. The word rapture and its usage to justify the satanic rapture doctrines is worse than wrong. It's deception.

And now to bigger things. What was the name of the girl who had the dreams/visions that started tge satanic rapture doctrines up? And what exactly did she claim? Thank You YAHshua to expose it all Amen
 Quoting: FHL(C)


The correct word IS Harpazo (a catching away), however we do not have the word 'harpazo' in the English language.

English is such a restrictive, non-colorful language .. as compared to say German.

The best that translators could do was describe the experience from the believer's perspective, rather than from the Creator's perspective.

The Harpazo (or 'rapture', in english) is not a satanic event, but rather a promise from the Creator to draw you unto Himself.
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Rapture comes from the Latin. I do not like the word rapture because it is associated to a whole a theological position instead of an idea of just being caught up.

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Ahhhh, I see.

Your problem is an erroneous interpretation .. confusing the daily sacrifice in the rebuilt Endtimes Temple with the Church.

This is the stuff that cults are built on.

The Bride is DEFINITELY not the daily sacrifice ... only in a twisted interpretation of scripture, as Peter describes:
"which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7

No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
 Quoting: Seek^



You are so caught up in pre, mid, and post positions that you cannot see the forest through all the trees.

I am not an adherent to any of those positions, so your labels are ineffective.

Your interpretations are of a private nature, as no one else believes the daily sacrifice in the Endtimes Temple is Church people.
That's just nuts. The antichrist kills with decapitation, not sacrificed at the Temple.

The Apostle Peter deals with this private interpretation issue:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

So you are wrong, and you will see your error.

BTW - The Rapture occurs some time AFTER the midpoint and immediately preceding the Day of the Lord/Wrath of Almighty God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Scripture destroys your opinion “brother”. What’s nuts is you can’t see the truth but perhaps God or your own pride has you blinded for a reason. Good luck.
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In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in chapters 1-4 the Church is mentioned 19 times but not again after ch. 4. What happened to the church ??
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Weird how this question isn’t touched.
 Quoting: Seek^


Answered above.

Why do you continue to discount it?

Cultic. Give up your cult.
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So sad. It wasn’t answered, at all. He quoted scripture pertaining to the 144,000 who are sealed and are here for the Great Tribulation which has nothing to do with the Rapture. Every single scripture he listed is referencing the 144,000 and this is common knowledge. The church isn’t mentioned after Ch. 4 of Revelation because they aren’t on earth. The 144,000 he falsely assumes is the church are meant to be here for the Great Tribulation so strike 2. Actually, more like strike 10.

I explained that in detail of course above yet you still respond with cultic? Get out of the thread as you’re not here for the truth, you’re not even reading anything here only throwing out ridiculous insults.

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LOL

That guy looks like a crazy hermit.

No click for you.
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And he’s one of the brightest out there regarding scripture and Revelation. Don’t judge a book by its cover. World champion axe thrower, has won thousands and thousands to Christ, and is one of the best artists you’ll ever see.
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You are wasting your time. The OP is convinced that the daily sacrificed that is removed is the church despite that other verses in the bible say different.
 Quoting: Achduke7

No, it’s you wasting time in this thread as you’ve proven you’re completely unable to accept truth and read basic scripture and I’m done explaining it to you.

And the beauty of this exchange above is you don’t even agree with the guy you’re replying to as far as the timeline of the Rapture!!!! You think it’s post-tribulation and the AC with the personal attacks believes it’s mid-tribulation.

The irony is your both wrong and both of you can’t even offer a single scripture to back your false interpretations of scripture, only personal attacks and insults. Unreal.
 Quoting: Seek^



You are so caught up in pre, mid, and post positions that you cannot see the forest through all the trees.

I am not an adherent to any of those positions, so your labels are ineffective.

Your interpretations are of a private nature, as no one else believes the daily sacrifice in the Endtimes Temple is Church people.
That's just nuts. The antichrist kills with decapitation, not sacrificed at the Temple.

The Apostle Peter deals with this private interpretation issue:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

So you are wrong, and you will see your error.

BTW - The Rapture occurs some time AFTER the midpoint and immediately preceding the Day of the Lord/Wrath of Almighty God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Scripture destroys your opinion “brother”. What’s nuts is you can’t see the truth but perhaps God or your own pride has you blinded for a reason. Good luck.
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I was an adherent of the Pre-Trib Rapture until I actually studied Scripture and quit reading their opinion pieces.

Once you assess the entire panoply of endtimes prophecy and cross reference the events between authors, you'll see that the Rapture/Harpazo is at the sixth seal .. immediately prior to the Day of the Lord/God's Wrath.

Most all of the Pre-Trib apologists use stories and conjecture to support their position ... like this one:
'The sixth seal shows ONLY those who accept Christ AFTER the Rapture'
Nowhere does the Word of God say this. Pure speculation.

The Scriptures say that those left will NOT repent.
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There is no rapture.
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But there IS a Harpazo?

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In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in chapters 1-4 the Church is mentioned 19 times but not again after ch. 4. What happened to the church ??
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Weird how this question isn’t touched.
 Quoting: Seek^


Answered above.

Why do you continue to discount it?

Cultic. Give up your cult.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

So sad. It wasn’t answered, at all. He quoted scripture pertaining to the 144,000 who are sealed and are here for the Great Tribulation which has nothing to do with the Rapture. Every single scripture he listed is referencing the 144,000 and this is common knowledge. The church isn’t mentioned after Ch. 4 of Revelation because they aren’t on earth. The 144,000 he falsely assumes is the church are meant to be here for the Great Tribulation so strike 2. Actually, more like strike 10.

I explained that in detail of course above yet you still respond with cultic? Get out of the thread as you’re not here for the truth, you’re not even reading anything here only throwing out ridiculous insults.
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The Church, the Body of Christ, is on earth until the Sixth Seal .. when the Harpazo/Rapture occurs.

Immediately prior to the Day of the Lord/God's Wrath.
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LOL

That guy looks like a crazy hermit.

No click for you.
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And he’s one of the brightest out there regarding scripture and Revelation.
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Wow.
What is sad is that you think he is 'bright'.

He misconstrues the Pre-Wrath position and incorrectly identifies the Trump of God at the Rapture/Harpazo.

Look, I garden too.
Folks might think I'm a bit odd because I like fresh vegetables minus pesticides and chemicals ...

HOWEVER. I know the Bible and this guy is a hack, at best.
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Twice as nice it posted twice!

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