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The church is everywhere in Revelation. You are the one that is defining the church by your own opinion. Anyone where you see Saint that is a member of the church. They died for Christ. These are all members of the body of Christ including the 144K, Saints, 2 witnesses, multitude, etc.

Chapters 1-4 are a warning to the 7 churches in Asia. Only Philadelphia gets something of a pass but not entirely. Even Philadelphia must overcome.

Lastly the church is mentioned again in Revelation 22:16. The whole book of Revelation is to testify to the churches. Did you know that Stephen in Acts calls Israel the Church in Acts 7. Yes even Israel in the time of Exodus was called the Church. Your separation of the church falls flat.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

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Revelation disagrees with you as does Daniel and Corinthians. Show scripture to support your theory. I’ll wait.

No, he doesn’t. If you watched that video above or any of his videos or read any of his books, you’d know this. But you didn’t watch that video and you’ve never watched any of his content and you’re calling him a hack knowing absolutely nothing about him. It’s exactly what you’re trying to do to myself in this thread.

You’re not interested in learning or the truth. You’re interested in insults, personal attacks, glossing of facts, misconstruing/misinterpreting scripture.

The truth is not in you, at all as you will know them by their fruits. Stop polluting this thread.

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No, the church is never mentioned again after Chapter 4. As the poster a page or two back alluded, it’s mentioned 19 times before chapter 4 and never again after. The 144,000 mentioned is not the bride of Christ and is sealed and appointed by God to go through the Tribulation. The bride must be removed before the 7-year Tribulation begins as scripture proves unequivocally to the day.

The scripture above in Rev 22:16 isn’t about the Tribulation, what is the first verse of that chapter?

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


The verse is in reference to the New Jerusalem, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Great Tribulation.

Why do you continually insist on grabbing random scripture without doing any study about it? Do you just randomly Google words like church and revelation and Bible and see what pops up? I’m done explaining to you random scripture that you pull out of thin air that has no relevance whatsoever. Believe whatever you want.

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I am slowly walking down along this road to my destiny. If a good friend comes in his fancy car and offers me a ride I will gladly accept. If not, I just keep walking.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:16 is talking to the church about the whole book of Revelation.

There is nothing random. You said the church is not mentioned again and 22:16 shows it is.

The 144,000 are from the 12 tribes.

Believers in Jesus as Messiah.

I don't need to watch the crazy confused hermit to know that; the Bible tells us who they are.

I’ve explained ad nauseam and I can’t help but think you’re just not reading anything I respond with and/or simply just want to argue. You don’t grasp the concept of the word context or relevance within scripture. You pull random words like “church” out of a scripture passage like Rev 22:16 which has no relevance to the topic at hand (bride of Christ, Rapture, the Tribulation). Good luck to you and please don’t respond in this thread anymore unless you bring something constructive. Thanks.

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I read your messages but you are using opinion with no verses to support your position.

I do understand context but you ignore the fact that Jesus was talking to the church about all of revelation which means chapter 1 until the end.

Simple.

Compare the Sixth Seal order of events in Rev 6-7 to what Jesus described in Matthew 24.

If you can't see the similarity, you are already brainwashed.

Yes that is true.

There are no offers or discussions in a split-second..

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Amos 5:18

He is wrong about what those "sleeping" means. He said their body is dead but their spirit is alive in heaven or with GOD or however he phrases it. The term was used by both Yeshuah/Jesus and the Apostles before they resurrected someone back to life. Now, they are not taking someone who is in heaven and bringing them back. They are actually dead body and soul.
This shows us as Ecc. confirms that the dead are not aware of anything at all. So, not alive then made alive by the Holy Spirit which is a thing, not a man. It is the active force of GOD that is exercised by both Yeshuah, the Apostles and even Prophets of old like Elijah.

If they are 'dead', then explain this:

"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

Either you are in your fleshly body OR you are present with the Lord. There is no 'death' for the Believer.

BTW - Ecc is a book about the vanity of fleshly life. Your flesh, when it dies, knows nothing. The knowledge goes with your soul to be with Christ.

Then you believed the LIE of Satan and not the truth of GOD.
God told them that now that sin had been introduced into the world that they positively would DIE. Therefore they would need a savior at some point to remove this curse of Adam and Eve.

Satan on the other hand had told them you won't die.

Now, who did you believe? You believed Satan over GOD.

I believe the Scriptures.
You do not.

Therefore it is you who have denied God and believed the lie of satan.

What do you call a body without a soul; a body where the soul has exited to Heaven?

That body is dead. In fact you and I are 'the walking dead' right now.

I have seen a body where the soul has exited.
It has no life, yet it can be kept breathing, pumping blood etc.

The sting of death is removed because the Lord takes you home before your physical body actually dies.
You are no longer in that body as it passes away.

Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.
Amos 5:18

Crazy hermit


Threatening people with a butter knife

that ^^^ folks is a wicked and evil LIE straight from satan himself. yes, christ died on the cross.....he didn't survive it and go to kashmir.

yues the bible is holy as it is the word of GOD and GOD himself is holy. there are no errors and no rot in those who believe in the bible. It is proof of everything.

again.... rapture is only possible one by one as what is IN your bible is about the fusion with your Inner Father Fragment and that is never a group event.

Baloney stop it already.

again, the rapture/resurrection event has NOTHING to do with any fusion with some phony fragment. Those who have accepted Jesus as their saiour have achieved salvation. those who are saved and belong to GOD's only begotten son Jesus are the ones raptured.....or resurrected in the case of those who died in christ.

this group is taken to attend the marriage supper of the lamb.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”


we will forever be with the lord....how wonderful that will be. and to think that you and your cult members gave that up for some phony fragment and multiple "sons" that dont exist.....LOL.