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Rapture^

 
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The Tribulation.

The Time of Jacob's Trouble.

Daniel's 70th Week.

The Second Coming Return of Jesus Christ.

The Purpose of the Conclusion of The Book.

Israel MUST come to terms with Yeshua HaMashiach.

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Not the Church...


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Look up the greek word 'parousia'.

It is a coming AND continual presence.


It is NOT a coming and going and coming and going.
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You did not answer.

As usual...
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But I DID give you a clue which will lead to much greater understanding .. IF you follow the clue.
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Who does Jesus return to?
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BTW - That's not what 'parousia' means ... you did not take my advice.


It's not who the Lord Returns to, but what does the Lord Return for.
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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.

Which is why the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 witnesses

take over the job of bearing witness of Yeshua HaMashiach to Israel.
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"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

See! Your house is left to you desolate;

for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!'"



Matthew 23:37-39
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The Tribulation.

The Time of Jacob's Trouble.

Daniel's 70th Week.

The Second Coming Return of Jesus Christ.

The Purpose of the Conclusion of The Book.

Israel MUST come to terms with Yeshua HaMashiach.
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Not the Church...
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"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob"
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I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.



Hosea 5:15
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"And it shall come to pass in all the land,"
Says the LORD,
"That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:

I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, 'This is My people'"



Zechariah 13:8,9
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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.

Which is why the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 witnesses

take over the job of bearing witness of Yeshua HaMashiach to Israel.
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There is ALWAYS a purpose for the Body of Christ.

Even in Tribulation ...

But not in God's Wrath, which is immediately AFTER Tribulation.
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They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.


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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.

Which is why the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 witnesses

take over the job of bearing witness of Yeshua HaMashiach to Israel.
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There is ALWAYS a purpose for the Body of Christ.

Even in Tribulation ...

But not in God's Wrath, which is immediately AFTER Tribulation.
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Wrong.

You fail to understand.

You can't see past yourself.

You are blinded.
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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.
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According to a hyper-dispensationalist.

To be fair, I am dispensational also.

However, driven to extremes, hyper-dispensationalism is erroneous in it's extremities.
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I see the Rapture here plainly.


For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

1Thessalonians 5:9


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18


And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.


1Thessalonians 3:12,13

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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.
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According to a hyper-dispensationalist.

To be fair, I am dispensational also.

However, driven to extremes, hyper-dispensationalism is erroneous in it's extremities.
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Thus sayeth you.

You have your highest approval.
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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.

Which is why the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 witnesses

take over the job of bearing witness of Yeshua HaMashiach to Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85095557



There is ALWAYS a purpose for the Body of Christ.

Even in Tribulation ...

But not in God's Wrath, which is immediately AFTER Tribulation.
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Wrong.

You fail to understand.

You can't see past yourself.

You are blinded.
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I see.

I understand.

I am not blind.

I am not hyper-dispensationalist either.
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For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.



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Hmm... the fullness of the Gentiles... hmm...

and then the Jwes... hmmm

you have no explanation whatsoever... hmmm.. imagine that..
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I see.
I understand.
I am not blind.
I am not hyper-dispensationalist either.
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We'll see...
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There is no purpose for the Church in the Tribulation.
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According to a hyper-dispensationalist.

To be fair, I am dispensational also.

However, driven to extremes, hyper-dispensationalism is erroneous in it's extremities.
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Thus sayeth you.

You have your highest approval.
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You have proven it to me by your flawed hyper-dispensationalism.


There is ALWAYS a purpose for the Body of Christ.

There was a purpose for the Body of Christ in the early church, when the old testament program was still wrapping up before the destruction of the temple in 70AD.

Both programs were running simultaneously till the temple was destroyed and salvation was sent to the gentiles.


Explain that hyper-dispensationalist.

You see, anything taken to extremes falls off the edge.
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I will go

and return to my place,

till they acknowledge their offence,

and seek my face:

in their affliction they will seek me earnestly



(Hosea 5:15).
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NOT the Church...
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I see.
I understand.
I am not blind.
I am not hyper-dispensationalist either.
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We'll see...
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That we shall.

Better have your rubbers on, cause the tish gets deep in the tribulation.
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Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalms 27:5
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I will go

and return to my place,

till they acknowledge their offence,

and seek my face:

in their affliction they will seek me earnestly



(Hosea 5:15).
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NOT the Church...
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"so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation."

To them that wait for Him unto Salvation, that's the Church.


BTW - it's not a THIRD time. Just ONE Second Coming.
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For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
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In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

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"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51
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will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



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Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

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Persevere .. through Tribulation. Perseverance, a virtue.

Hour of Trial = God's Wrath.

Hour of Trial -

Will the inhabitants of earth glorify God or continue to curse Him?
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Some will be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming!



"But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,
and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man
."



Luke 21:34-36

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Jesus said to pray to be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming.

Guess what that means?

That means some will be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming and to go stand with Jesus!

Jesus didn't tell us to pray to be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming
unless some will be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming.

That's what He said.

Do you believe Him?

I do.

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pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man
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pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape ."

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Do you?

He knows.

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will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



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What is the full verse?

The first half is:

"But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken"

A believer is not beating people and getting drunk.
That's not what a believer does ...

So apparently you are using half a verse out of context to support a flawed position on the timing of the Rapture.

Shame. Shame on you.





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