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The fact of the matter is people like yourself in this thread and others have made this a religious doctrine in itself when scripture is very clear on God's promise to remove His bride. People or I should say the devil has worked overtime and has made this such a complicated issue with semantic arguments by confusing simple words like tribulation for example. People use this word describing the 7-year Tribulation, others get specific and claim tribulation only denotes the first 3 1/2 years of the 7-year tribulation, both are correct. Paul himself said He shouldn't even have to write to us regarding this promise as we will all know the season we're in (1 Thessolonians 5:5) and the scripture is very clear on who will be removed and what will take place after the bride of Christ is removed.

People have misconstrued God's word and torn down God's promise to His people at the end of the age by lies such as, for example, claiming the Rapture is an idea thought up in the 1800s by Darby and McDonald which is laughable (as the term has been echoed and prophesied for thousands of years and is in the Old Testament) and yet another attempt to foil God's promise and dash people's hope making them complacent.

It's sickening to witness this thread in some instances being a perfect example.


There are two Resurrections-

The Wedding Supper of the Lamb in Heaven takes place after the Rapture during the 7-year Tribulation and the Wedding is for Jesus and His followers who are alive on earth (at the time of the Rapture) who are taken up along with those who have died in Christ in the past (who will come with Jesus in the clouds) to be reunited with their bodies to put on the incorruptible and don new heavenly bodies (1 Thessaloninans 4:16-17). These will be the people who attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven with Christ and this takes place during the 7-year Tribulation.

Those who are left behind and have to endure the 7-year Tribulation and lose their lives but are saved because of faith will have to wait until they too are resurrected but will not experience the Marriage Supper with Christ (Revelation 6:9). These martyrs of the 7-year Tribulation are told to wait a little longer until their brothers and sisters are also killed for their testimony so they too can be resurrected in Christ's second coming (Revelation 6:11, 20:4).




"The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There will be the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

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 Quoting: Seek^


The resurrection is not a religious doctrine. This is clearly defined in the bible. Christ and others mentioned it dozens of times. What they did not mention is the rapture. You know why? Because it is not the rapture. It was called the harpazo which is part of the resurrection. I understand that rapture is a Latin word that flowed to English but the original Greek was harpazo and rapture no longer means catch away to the clouds but has now become a full fledged doctrine and even includes movies just to define that one word. In all actuality the whole rapture doctrine is the resurrection that Christ talked about.

There are only two more resurrections. The first resurrection is when the just are going which includes those that are in the tribulation. How do we know this?

Read Revelation 20:4-6. This is the 1st resurrection and tribulation saints are part of this resurrection. How do we know they are tribulation saints? Because they did not take the mark or worship the beast which happens during the tribulation.

And the 1st resurrection does not happen in phases. It happens in the twink of an eye or instantly for everyone.

1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 Quoting: Achduke7



Great synopsis.

Could not have said it better.

Spot on. Agree and Thank You!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


Hi AC432,

Here is some more info on Revelation, Wrath and the resurrection/harpazo event.

The key to Revelation is the woes and God's wrath. They are time stamps on how to organize Revelation. Revelation jumps around a bit and tells the same things from different viewpoints and symbology. Also the word "Alas" is also the same word origin as woe. You can also follow the earthquake. The Earthquake of Rev 6:12 is the same quake as Rev 11:13. There seems to always be a Earthquake around the time of resurrection as it happened during Christ and also when the 2 Witnesses are resurrected.

Revelation 6:12 corresponds with Matthew 24:29.

The wrath of God which is after the 2nd woe is shown in Rev 6 and in Rev 11.



Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 Quoting: Achduke7



I believe we have lost our Pre-Trib Rapture friends.

Come back and discuss ... MUCH to learn here.
 
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