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Message Subject Rapture^
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kitty This is a good video that should answer many of your questions

about the Rapture. This world is on the verge of many great changes which will plunge those who are still here into a living nightmare. You have still been blessed with a little time so don't waste it. And remember that there is no guarantee that you will get a chance to be saved as a Tribulation Saint. A nuclear bomb or some other means can end your life in an instant and leave you facing an eternity in hell.

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 Quoting: Judethz



She tells of the tribulations that saints suffered, suffer and will suffer ... but does not understand the distinction between tribulation and the Wrath of God.


If you think tribulation IS the Wrath of God, then you have to explain why God's Wrath has been on the saints for nearly 2,000 years now.

Tribulation is tribulation, not Wrath.


The fact is, the Tribulation and God's Wrath are 2 distinct and separate time periods. God's Wrath can be seen from the 7th Seal onwards.

Why you won't recognize this fact is puzzling, as the scripture is clear that the Great Day of His Wrath has come and who shall be able to stand?


The keys to revelation are the Wrath of God and the Woes.
Separate Tribulation and Wrath periods first.
Line up the Woes with similar events.

For example - The great earthquake in Rev 11:13 is the same earthquake as in Rev 6:12

That way you can have a timeline of Revelation events.

This might help you:

Revelation 1 - occurred in the 90s AD
Rev 2/3 - from the writing of the book of Revelation to eternity future
Rev 4/5 - Unknown future date
Rev 6-10 - beginning of 70th week to end of 70th week
Rev 11 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 12 - Eternity past to end of 70th week
Rev 13 - middle of 70th week to 30 days past 70th week
Rev 14-19 - within 30 days (Wrath of God
Rev 20 - 1,000 years after the 70th week

Hope this helps you some!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

I’ll explain why you’re wrong and misinterpreting scripture, again. God’s wrath remains on unbelievers, not those in Christ.


Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 3:36



Born-again believers have the Holy Spirit and are clothed in Christ’s righteousness and are with Christ right now next to the Father just as He is with us on earth. Jesus has already taken God’s wrath on the cross for all of his body of believers, those in Christ are not appointed to wrath as Jesus has taken this wrath for us and his body is not appointed to endure the 7-year Tribulation. This designated time period of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy also referred to as Jacob’s trouble is for the unrepentant and nonbelievers centering around God’s chosen as God’s wrath remains on them.

The church is mentioned 19 times in Chapters 1-3 of Revelation and starting in Chapter 4:1 (which is John of Patmos’ foreshadowing of the Rapture), the church isn’t mentioned again until after Chapter 19 where within these Chapters of 4-19, the 7-year Tribulation is explained in great detail. The reason for this is Christ’s body is not on earth but in Heaven with Jesus for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

I know you’re not interested in truth but I will continue to correct your misinterpretations of scripture and your spreading of lies regarding God’s scriptural rescue of His bride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85071270



When you interpret EVERY verse in light of a flawed Rapture position, then you place the cart before the horse.

That is not how biblical interpretation is done.

What you pre-tribbers are doing is called 'isogesis', and isogesis is NOT correct interpretation of the Word of God.

You approach the Word of God with an erroneous preconceived assumption and make every verse fit that paradigm .. no matter how much baloney you have to make up in support.


The fact is that pre-tribulationalists no longer use or accept either Revelation 3:10 or Revelation 4:1 as a proof text for their position .. you're too late to the party.
But you probably didn't know that ... egg on your face.

Why won't you listen to all sides in a debate and not just yours? If your position is correct than it can weather a challenge.

I've bookmarked a couple spots in Charles' talk for your listening pleasure. He's an entertaining speaker; do yourself a favor this Sunday and give him a listen:


Church gone from Rev 4:1 on:





No Man Knoweth the day or hour:





Wedding Metaphor / Bride of Christ:





Here's a deeper dive into why your use of the above proof text is obsolete:

prewrathrapture.com/radio/show070823.mp3


Come on Man.

Anyone who opens the Word for Salvation sake is interested in truth.

If you will allow the Word to speak through the Holy Spirit, Truth will be discerned.


"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." Proverbs 27:17
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

 
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