I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.
If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
Quoting: Achduke7 The 144k being the raptured bride of Christ isn’t scriptural as they are slain therefore a rescue is impossible and the fact upon death in the Tribulation, they are told to “wait a little longer” and also where they reside under the altar in death until all are slain. If just the 144k were the bride of Christ as you posit and they all die, there would be no one alive of the bride when Christ comes to rescue His bride therefore there would be no rescue. My first post in this thread also proves a post-tribulation theory is impossible scripturally.
Again, good luck.
Where is this rescue of the bride in the Bible and why is it needed if they are all resurrected and then caught up in the clouds with the rest of the believers dead and then alive?
Also I believe the wait a little longer are those in the fifth seal. The Resurrection and then wrath are after the 6th seal.
The rescue of the bride is-
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Why is the rescue needed? So the bride does not go through Tribulation, is guaranteed salvation and distributed heavenly rewards and also to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The bride rescued are those in Christ physically alive at the time of the Rapture who are caught up before the Tribulation takes place, scripture certifies this fact regardless of your want of it to not be true.
Those who are asleep or who’ve died in Christ are already with Jesus in Heaven awaiting the Rapture to come with Him in the Rapture to reunite with their bodies so that they can put on incorruptible, heavenly bodies and all can take part of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. This is precisely why Paul tells us to encourage one another with these words.
The people rescued are those who are alive on earth that are taken, not the 144k who are appointed to die. This is why we are told to pray that we are counted worthy to escape (Luke 21:36) the worst time ever on earth in the history of humanity which is the 7-year Tribulation. Those alive and raptured will be kept from the hour of temptation (the 7-year Tribulation).
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:10
1 Thess 4:17 is the resurrection as told by 1 Thess 4:14. This is the 1st resurrection and as I mentioned before in Rev 20:4-6 it is the same resurrection as the tribulation saints.
Read 1 Thess 4:14 and you will see the context is completely the resurrection.
You say the bride does not go through tribulation but this is not in the Bible. We are not destined for God's Wrath but the Wrath of God is for the children of disobedience. Do you believe God's witness and the 144K are disobedient? Do you believe the seed of the Women of Rev 12 are disobedient? No, Then they are not destined for Wrath but that does not mean they don't see Tribulation. The Church/Bride/144/2 Witness and the seed of the Woman of Rev 12 all see Tribulation. The woman of Rev 12 is protected by God in the wilderness but that does not mean a rapture. Israel during exodus was also protected in the wilderness.
Rev 3:10 also say even this church must overcome. It does not say they are raptured. God can protect his own and always has protected his people.
Also read the text before Luke before 21:36. Escape means escaping Wrath and standing before the Son of Man. Look up and when you see the Sun and Moon go dark. This is the wrath start and you redemption is near.
Rev 3:12 12 Him
that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
1 Thess 4:14-18 14For if we believe that
Jesus died and rose <--- Resurrection again, even so them
also which sleep in Jesus will
<--- Resurrection God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Romans 1:18 For the
wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all u
ngodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the
wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.Luke 11:25-28 25 And there
shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then l
ook up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.Revelation 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were
beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is h
e that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are
they which came out of great tribulation, and have
washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
