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The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.

Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.

We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.

We post plain scripture but it does not fit the pre-trib bias so they reject the scripture. On the other hand pre-tribbers mostly do not post scripture or if they do it is not the correct context.

In order for pre-trib to work they have to reject what Christ said or they now say there are two raptures because they believe Matt 24 does not apply to them.

Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and Rev 11 all point to the resurrection/harpazo.

Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.

No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.

Nonsense.

A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is impossible because if all saints received glorified bodies and no unbeliever makes it pass the wrath of the winepress of God, then that would leave nobody left in natural bodies to enter and repopulate the millennium.

No, others like you take scripture out of context and sew confusion into the subject matter. I have to question the motives of anyone that does this, perhaps you should too.

Then who are these people?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

For pre-tribbers let's keep this simple. Who are these people?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

This debate is nothing new, post tribbers have never been able to explain how unbelievers escape the winepress and enter the millenium in natural bodies. It is believers who come out of tribulation that go into the millennium with natural bodies which can only happen with a pretrib rapture.

Why would they be resurrected into their original bodies. In the resurrection we get new bodies. Your answer makes no sense.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

Excerpted conclusion from

The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses

by Paul K.

When the first day of the 7-year Trib period

Right off the bat the guy is in deep doodoo.

Where in the scripture is Daniel's 70th Week (7 years) called 'the Tribulation' period?

I'm gonna have to see it in print ...

Jesus called a period of time 'the Great Tribulation', but that is only for 3.5 years.

Nobody is being resurrected into their original bodies.

The living believers that come out of tribulation will remain in their original bodies.

The resurrection doesn't take place post tribulation because if it did, all believers would have glorified bodies at that point and nobody will be left to enter the millennium in natural bodies because all unbelievers are gathered into the winepress.

But if the rapture takes place earlier, pretrib, then it becomes possible for living believers who later come out of tribulation to not receive glorified bodies right away and enter the millennium with their natural ones and populate it.

There's no other way to explain how people will enter the millennium in natural bodies.

Well that is where you are wrong. Those resurrected in Rev 20:4-6 are post tribulation. Unless people are taking the mark of the beast and being beheaded for Christ before the tribulation.

It's not incorrect just because you say so, lol.

I'm going to have to assume you're trolling and not really looking for the truth.

Like I said these debates are nothing new.

Post tribulation theroy falls on that very sword. It fails. It's not possible because it cannot account for people with original natural bodies getting into the millennium.

You can't in clear conscience just ignore that.

As Revelation 20:4-6 show is that it is post-trib. These people have gone through the tribulation as the Mark proves.