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The War Against the Rapture.

 
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Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying:

Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity.

Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it.

So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.

When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, 'These are the people of the LORD, and yet they have gone out of His land.'

But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name's sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.

And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD," says the Lord GOD, "when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.

For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.


Ezekiel 36:16-24
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"Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good;
and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight,
for your iniquities and your abominations.
Not for your sake do I do this," says the Lord GOD, "let it be known to you.
Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!"




Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
"Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
"and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.
"I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out,"



"Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?
"Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.
"You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land,
so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes."
'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Are you he of whom I have spoken in former days by My servants the prophets of Israel,
who prophesied for years in those days that I would bring you against them?
"And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," says the Lord GOD, "that My fury will show in My face.
"For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: 'Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel,
'so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth,
and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence."



"And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed;
I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
"Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations.
Then they shall know that I am the LORD.
"



"And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the LORD.
"So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore.
Then the nations shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
"Surely it is coming, and it shall be done," says the Lord GOD. "This is the day of which I have spoken."



"I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them.
"So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day forward.
"The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me,
therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword.
"According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I have dealt with them, and hidden My face from them."
"Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel;
and I will be jealous for My holy name
'after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me,
when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid.
'When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations,
'then they shall know that I am the LORD their God
, who sent them into captivity among the nations,
but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them captive any longer.
'And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,' says the Lord GOD."



Ezekiel 38,39
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Why does Jesus Christ return to them there?

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For the rapture to occur before the tribulation is to assert that believers (who comprise the church) are separate and distinct from Israel or Zion.
However, in Romans 11:25-31, we learn that Israel is the crown — or completion — of the church, and that the church is grafted into a New Nation that the Lord will put together when He comes back while also saving the Israeli nation that presently exists: which will become believers in the Messiah all at once, and who together say when He comes:

“This is our God, for whom we have waited, that He might save us.” And “Let us rejoice and be glad in His salvation.” … The One who will wipe tears away from all faces.” Isa. 25:8-9
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Romans 11 got me banned.

Read Romans 11.


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Another problem with a Pre-Tribulation rapture view is found in Daniel chapters 7, 8, and 12
Here we are told that the forces of evil will “shatter” or break the “power of the holy people.”

But if the holy people are not on the earth during this time (due to Rapture), then in what sense could their power be broken?

In fact, Dan. 12:1 and 7 tell us that the Lord returns just after this takes place.
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The Tribulation,

Daniel's 70th Week,

The Time of Jacob's Trouble.

Israel.


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Not an answer.
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Pre-Tribulation proponents use the example of Noah to assert that Christians won’t go through the Tribulation, since God protected Noah from the Flood.
However, they often fail to point out that Noah and his family actually went through the Flood, yet were “saved” from it because they obeyed God and built an ark of safety. Genesis 6-9 and I Pet. 3:20.

Lot and his immediate family were also rescued from Sodom by angels who took them into the wilderness, as opposed to off of the planet: Gen. 18:20-19:30.
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Seriously, can you or can you not type the Name Jesus Christ?

Just show me.
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Seriously, can you or can you not type the Name Jesus Christ?

Just show me.
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His proper name is the Lord Jesus Christ.



Do yourself a favor. Block out some time, watch this video, and then get your Bible open and compare scripture with scripture.
Far too many think they have one foot out the door already and are not preparing themselves by growing their faith.


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What do you think I need to know?

If I am wrong, then I continue here with you.

So what?


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If you are wrong,

why should Jesus count you worthy?
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If you are wrong,

and you remain alive,

and you recognize that the Rapture happened

and it did not include you,

what would you do?



hmm

Can you answer?

Can you challenge yourself too?
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If you are wrong,

why should Jesus count you worthy?
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Wrong about what?
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If you are wrong,

and you remain alive,

and you recognize that the Rapture happened

and it did not include you,

what would you do?
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This is the exact question asked by the Thessalonians.


"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed"


If the apostasy has not happened and/or the antichrist has not yet been revealed, then the Rapture/Gathering/Day of the Lord has NOT YET OCCURRED. This is according to the Apostle Paul.

Notice something very subtle but very interesting -
Paul equates the terms 'Gathering together' (Rapture) and 'Day of the Lord.'
The Rapture (gathering together) and the Day of the Lord are one and the same.
The Rapture happens on the same day that the Lord begins pouring out His Wrath.
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If you are wrong,

and you remain alive,

and you recognize that the Rapture happened

and it did not include you,

what would you do?
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This is the exact question asked by the Thessalonians.


"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed"


If the apostasy has not happened and/or the antichrist has not yet been revealed, then the Rapture/Gathering/Day of the Lord has NOT YET OCCURRED. This is according to the Apostle Paul.

Notice something very subtle but very interesting -
Paul equates the terms 'Gathering together' (Rapture) and 'Day of the Lord.'
The Rapture (gathering together) and the Day of the Lord are one and the same.
The Rapture happens on the same day that the Lord begins pouring out His Wrath.
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Also ...

I ain't lettin no one deceive me in ANY way, shape or form.

That includes the false view of the pre-trib rapture.
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We have no problem dealing with the alternative if we are wrong.

You psycho Rapture-haters NEVER even allow yourself the possibility of thinking that you might be wrong.

The cognitive dissonance is simply literally intolerable.

That alone should tell you the intellectual weakness and bankruptcy of your hopelessness.
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If you are wrong,

why should Jesus count you worthy?
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Wrong about what?
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If you are wrong about Jesus being the Messiah of Israel and taking our sins upon the cross, dying and resurrecting again the 3rd day ... then you are lost and you are still in your sins.
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We have no problem dealing with the alternative if we are wrong.
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You won't have the faith to deal with it.

You will be like the seed that fell on rocky, poor soil.

You will quickly wither under the antichrists assault.
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We have no problem dealing with the alternative if we are wrong.
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You won't have the faith to deal with it.

You will be like the seed that fell on rocky, poor soil.

You will quickly wither under the antichrists assault.
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You will turn in your brothers and sisters in Christ for a morsel of food in the tribulation.
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Regarding this deception of a pre-trib rapture:

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions"


The KJV reads:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears"
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You psycho Pre-Trib Rapture-haters
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There

Fixed it for you.

It's only the people who do not believe in a PRE-TRIB Rapture that you call psycho.

There ARE other views of the Rapture, you know.
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Please rapture.


The world would be a much better place with far fewer delusional bibletards.
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Please rapture.


The world would be a much better place with far fewer delusional bibletards.
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Listen to the music and shut the hell up.
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Jesus's power, glory and authority is throughout the generations, therefore Jesus has theoretically never left.Ephesians 3:21

Yes, we will meet him in the clouds, but not on earth. even though he may be present... Matthew 24:26

the first resurrection I believe is when the dead in Christ rise first. 1 Thessalonians 4:16

this involves people whom are "reborn" and don't remember, but are actually the past saints, disciples, apostles, & martyrs.
Revelation 21:4

After 1000 years we get new bodies, and death ends. Revelation 20:14

The Throne which exists in Revelation 20:11 is the same throne in Revelation 21:3 .
there is an overlapping of the two chapters.

The 1000 years is not spent in heaven.
it is spent on earth as the New Jerusalem (est1875) comes down from heaven onto earth. Revelation 21:2

the New Jerusalem is the capital of the 1000 year kingdom. Revelation 21:3





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