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The War Against the Rapture. | |
| Lester User ID: 39918057  United States01/14/2023 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." "Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." "And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience" "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" "Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer" "Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God." "Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation." "For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know." "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty" "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation" " ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Looks suspiciously like Christians in tribulation to me. Tribulation may take many forms. While God Does Preserve HIS People from the evil, tribulation might convey negative aspects of living in this world. The "great tribulation" is the 7yr period witnessed of by Daniel and Christ when the man-of sin comes to the world stage at the mid-point of 3.5yrs. Jesus Says in Matt 24:21-24 that were the days not shortened (then), that ALL Flesh would be destroyed; but for The Very Elect's sake those days will be shortened. Who are The Very Elect? Those who Chose-Elected to Take Action, Trust God, surrender Unto HIM, and were Born-Again. The tribulation of daily life in no way is of the scope of destruction which occurs in the great tribulation. The pre & mid-trib rapturists fear that God cannot Protect them during the great tribulation; so they invent a fable. Did God Preserve Noah, Daniel, Shadrach et al, Those who crossed the sea out of Egypt, and so many more??? Can HE not do so for you, IF You Were HIS Born-Again? What's The Pass-Over about? More preservation... Is the possession of The Born-Again Heart Of Father's Flesh not better than a lambs blood on the lintel of your house??? Laodiceans deny The Gospel when they Claim Christ but are unwilling to Come Unto The Father. You Claim Jesus but Spurn the very purpose for which HE Gave HIS Life! In Matt 22:1-14 none of the The King's originally selected guests came to the Wedding Feast. The King sent servants again inviting them. Jesus says The King's servants were treated spitefully and were killed. Other guests were found. The King Says the originally invited guests were unworthy... Who do you think Jesus is Witnessing of when mentioning the originally invited guests? Christ Gave HIS Life so you could Answer Father's Call and Stand In HIS Presence. Laodiceans are just not willing to Take Action and Prove the Love they say they have for God. |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498  United Kingdom01/14/2023 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Less than five percent of Christians believe in the rapture as described in this thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85108558 Many Evangelicals have long suspected that the largest percentage of Christians overall would support a pre-Tribulation view, an idea that was corroborated by the data, as the largest share of pastors—36 percent—reported believing in that Rapture paradigm. The second largest proportion was the 25 percent who agreed that “the concept of the Rapture is not to be taken literally.” Furthermore, 18 percent selected a post-Tribulation paradigm, with smaller proportions for mid-Tribulation (4 percent), pre-wrath (4 percent), preterist ideals (1 percent), and none of the options presented (8 percent). From the book, The Armageddon Code: One Journalist's Quest for End-Times Answers by Billy Hallowell, page 171 (2016). A poll was commissioned through LifeWay Research, asking one thousand senior pastors, ministers, and priests—all Protestants who self-identified as either Evangelical, mainline, or “neither”—across America to tell us what they believe.  People making up "popularity" percentages out of thin air is nonsense. The truth is what the truth is.Any Pastor who says that... “the concept of the Rapture is not to be taken literally"...is a liar. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/14/2023 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Less than five percent of Christians believe in the rapture as described in this thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85108558 Many Evangelicals have long suspected that the largest percentage of Christians overall would support a pre-Tribulation view, an idea that was corroborated by the data, as the largest share of pastors—36 percent—reported believing in that Rapture paradigm. The second largest proportion was the 25 percent who agreed that “the concept of the Rapture is not to be taken literally.” Furthermore, 18 percent selected a post-Tribulation paradigm, with smaller proportions for mid-Tribulation (4 percent), pre-wrath (4 percent), preterist ideals (1 percent), and none of the options presented (8 percent). From the book, The Armageddon Code: One Journalist's Quest for End-Times Answers by Billy Hallowell, page 171 (2016). A poll was commissioned through LifeWay Research, asking one thousand senior pastors, ministers, and priests—all Protestants who self-identified as either Evangelical, mainline, or “neither”—across America to tell us what they believe. People making up "popularity" percentages out of thin air is nonsense. The truth is what the truth is. Any Pastor who says that... “the concept of the Rapture is not to be taken literally"...is a liar. Why would you say that? They are 'made up' figures? Can you read or do you just always say 'they made it up'? |
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User ID: 80415401 United States01/14/2023 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." "Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." "And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience" "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" "Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer" "Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God." "Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation." "For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know." "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty" "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation" " ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Looks suspiciously like Christians in tribulation to me. Tribulation may take many forms. While God Does Preserve HIS People from the evil, tribulation might convey negative aspects of living in this world. The "great tribulation" is the 7yr period witnessed of by Daniel and Christ when the man-of sin comes to the world stage at the mid-point of 3.5yrs. Jesus Says in Matt 24:21-24 that were the days not shortened (then), that ALL Flesh would be destroyed; but for The Very Elect's sake those days will be shortened. Who are The Very Elect? Those who Chose-Elected to Take Action, Trust God, surrender Unto HIM, and were Born-Again. The tribulation of daily life in no way is of the scope of destruction which occurs in the great tribulation. The pre & mid-trib rapturists fear that God cannot Protect them during the great tribulation; so they invent a fable. Did God Preserve Noah, Daniel, Shadrach et al, Those who crossed the sea out of Egypt, and so many more??? Can HE not do so for you, IF You Were HIS Born-Again? What's The Pass-Over about? More preservation... Is the possession of The Born-Again Heart Of Father's Flesh not better than a lambs blood on the lintel of your house??? Laodiceans deny The Gospel when they Claim Christ but are unwilling to Come Unto The Father. You Claim Jesus but Spurn the very purpose for which HE Gave HIS Life! In Matt 22:1-14 none of the The King's originally selected guests came to the Wedding Feast. The King sent servants again inviting them. Jesus says The King's servants were treated spitefully and were killed. Other guests were found. The King Says the originally invited guests were unworthy... Who do you think Jesus is Witnessing of when mentioning the originally invited guests? Christ Gave HIS Life so you could Answer Father's Call and Stand In HIS Presence. Laodiceans are just not willing to Take Action and Prove the Love they say they have for God. More rubbish here. Two roofs over my head Crichton clan-God.Send.Grace Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/14/2023 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Less than five percent of Christians believe in the rapture as described in this thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85108558 Many Evangelicals have long suspected that the largest percentage of Christians overall would support a pre-Tribulation view, an idea that was corroborated by the data, as the largest share of pastors—36 percent—reported believing in that Rapture paradigm. The second largest proportion was the 25 percent who agreed that “the concept of the Rapture is not to be taken literally.” Furthermore, 18 percent selected a post-Tribulation paradigm, with smaller proportions for mid-Tribulation (4 percent), pre-wrath (4 percent), preterist ideals (1 percent), and none of the options presented (8 percent). From the book, The Armageddon Code: One Journalist's Quest for End-Times Answers by Billy Hallowell, page 171 (2016). A poll was commissioned through LifeWay Research, asking one thousand senior pastors, ministers, and priests—all Protestants who self-identified as either Evangelical, mainline, or “neither”—across America to tell us what they believe. People making up "popularity" percentages out of thin air is nonsense. The truth is what the truth is. Any Pastor who says that... “the concept of the Rapture is not to be taken literally"...is a liar. Why would you say that? They are 'made up' figures? Can you read or do you just always say 'they made it up'? The fact is that over a third of Protestants believe this pre-tribulational view of the rapture. Take that in ... over a third of Protestants believe in a flawed endtimes view. Christianity is ripe for complete deception and full blown apostasy. "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you." |
| Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom01/14/2023 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would you say that? They are 'made up' figures? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Can you read or do you just always say 'they made it up'?  You sound like you need some common sense drummed into your head. It's an established fact that pollsters always get the results that the person paying them wants to hear. How do you think they stay in business? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/14/2023 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would you say that? They are 'made up' figures? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Can you read or do you just always say 'they made it up'? You sound like you need some common sense drummed into your head. It's an established fact that pollsters always get the results that the person paying them wants to hear. How do you think they stay in business? If you applied the same level of scrutiny to the Pre-Trib Rapture that you do pollsters, you could easily see that you Pre-Tribbers do exactly what pollsters do. |
| Judethz
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/14/2023 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, that's really some religion you have there. The whole bowl of crap is so convoluted and contradictory you can't even tell which one of you goes to be with your god and which gets punished. Is it any wonder I have thrown your godthing away, so hard He bounced twice on His Divine ass, and returned to the Gods and Goddesses of my Aryan Ancestors? Hail Odin, and all the Norse, Celtic and Saxon Gods! Quoting: Rodulf 80898669 It's not supposed to be a religion, as a matter of fact God hates religion. Religion does absolutely NOTHING for you. Most of the problems occur when people take a preconceived notion (like a Pre-Trib Rapture) and force scripture to support their fantasy. [Isogesis VS Exogesis] In their hypocrisy, they then accuse others of doing exactly what they are doing. [as is apparent with the Pre-Trib UK poster above us] They then use force of numbers to bully others into accepting their flawed position and preaching a lie. Have fun with your paganism .. without Christ you will join hordes of pagans in hell (valhalla). Ciao! |
| Rodulf User ID: 80898669 United States01/14/2023 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, that's really some religion you have there. The whole bowl of crap is so convoluted and contradictory you can't even tell which one of you goes to be with your god and which gets punished. Is it any wonder I have thrown your godthing away, so hard He bounced twice on His Divine ass, and returned to the Gods and Goddesses of my Aryan Ancestors? Hail Odin, and all the Norse, Celtic and Saxon Gods! Quoting: Rodulf 80898669 It's not supposed to be a religion, as a matter of fact God hates religion. Religion does absolutely NOTHING for you. Most of the problems occur when people take a preconceived notion (like a Pre-Trib Rapture) and force scripture to support their fantasy. [Isogesis VS Exogesis] In their hypocrisy, they then accuse others of doing exactly what they are doing. [as is apparent with the Pre-Trib UK poster above us] They then use force of numbers to bully others into accepting their flawed position and preaching a lie. Have fun with your paganism .. without Christ you will join hordes of pagans in hell (valhalla). Ciao! I had rather be in hell with those heroes than in your heaven of whackjob, believe anything they are told, shit-for-brains christards..... |
| Rodulf User ID: 80898669 United States01/14/2023 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :lazyskate: For those of you who would like to know more about the Apocrypha and how we were gifted with the King James Authorized Version of the Bible here is a very good Chick illustrated tract. Quoting: Judethz It is important to remember that Jesus Christ and His Apostles never once quoted or recognized the Apocrypha as being Scripture. THE ATTACK... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] :0031_05::3106: :3107::3108x: :3109::3110: Holy shit...you are ACTUALLY arguing your point with a CHICK COMIC???!!!??? Hahahahahahahahha!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/14/2023 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, that's really some religion you have there. The whole bowl of crap is so convoluted and contradictory you can't even tell which one of you goes to be with your god and which gets punished. Is it any wonder I have thrown your godthing away, so hard He bounced twice on His Divine ass, and returned to the Gods and Goddesses of my Aryan Ancestors? Hail Odin, and all the Norse, Celtic and Saxon Gods! Quoting: Rodulf 80898669 It's not supposed to be a religion, as a matter of fact God hates religion. Religion does absolutely NOTHING for you. Most of the problems occur when people take a preconceived notion (like a Pre-Trib Rapture) and force scripture to support their fantasy. [Isogesis VS Exogesis] In their hypocrisy, they then accuse others of doing exactly what they are doing. [as is apparent with the Pre-Trib UK poster above us] They then use force of numbers to bully others into accepting their flawed position and preaching a lie. Have fun with your paganism .. without Christ you will join hordes of pagans in hell (valhalla). Ciao! I had rather be in hell with those heroes than in your heaven of whackjob, believe anything they are told, shit-for-brains christards..... Good for you! Not smart, but it's what you want. You'll get it! |
| Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom01/15/2023 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...you are ACTUALLY arguing your point with a CHICK COMIC???!!!??? Hahahahahahahahha!!!!! Quoting: Rodulf 80898669  When you've got over your hysterical laughter and recovered your senses (if you still have any), perhaps you might like to go back and see if you can make at least a semi-coherent argument-----------------------------------------------------------.   For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject. WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] |
| Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom01/16/2023 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  The Lord did not make the Creation so that wicked people could take over and turn the world into hell. The time for talking is almost over and very soon many of you will suffer awful tribulation such as the world has never seen, nor will ever do so again, and then be cast into hell at the end of it.You've been warned-many times. Yet even now you can still turn to the Lord and be taken up in the Rapture and escape what is about to fall upon the heads of the unbelievers. Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You have still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made yourself right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 194733 United States01/16/2023 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the LORD's Word very carefully. Only HIS Word matters- not OP's or anyone else's. The WORD "rapture" never appears in His Pure Word. Understanding that, UNDERSTAND this: Rev. 22:18-19 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book The choice to defy His Word of Truth and Instruction is yours to make. Choose wisely. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/16/2023 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the LORD's Word very carefully. Only HIS Word matters- not OP's or anyone else's. The WORD "rapture" never appears in His Pure Word. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 194733 Understanding that, UNDERSTAND this: Rev. 22:18-19 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book The choice to defy His Word of Truth and Instruction is yours to make. Choose wisely. They will 'believe' in an unproven, unscriptural and fabricated doctrine no matter what. Even when the bodies of their loved ones lay around them from drinking the purple koolaid .. they will still believe the lie. It's a strong delusion they are under ... will they wake up before it is too late. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84025467 United States01/16/2023 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the LORD's Word very carefully. Only HIS Word matters- not OP's or anyone else's. The WORD "rapture" never appears in His Pure Word. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 194733 Understanding that, UNDERSTAND this: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND RAPTURO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HARPAZO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO YOU SAY I AM WRONG... . |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85119373 United States01/16/2023 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will 'believe' in an unproven, unscriptural and fabricated doctrine no matter what. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Even when the bodies of their loved ones lay around them from drinking the purple koolaid .. they will still believe the lie. It's a strong delusion they are under ... will they wake up before it is too late. This is your self-righteous, indefensible, nonsensical opinion. We disagree. To you, that can only mean that you are correct. You can't deal with the possibility that you might be wrong. |
| Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom01/16/2023 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will 'believe' in an unproven, unscriptural and fabricated doctrine no matter what. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Even when the bodies of their loved ones lay around them from drinking the purple koolaid .. they will still believe the lie. It's a strong delusion they are under ... will they wake up before it is too late.  That's just your stupid opinion. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/16/2023 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will 'believe' in an unproven, unscriptural and fabricated doctrine no matter what. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Even when the bodies of their loved ones lay around them from drinking the purple koolaid .. they will still believe the lie. It's a strong delusion they are under ... will they wake up before it is too late. This is your self-righteous, indefensible, nonsensical opinion. We disagree. To you, that can only mean that you are correct. You can't deal with the possibility that you might be wrong. I have seen this happen several times before, as I am aged. The pain and regret written on people's faces when they realize that their loved ones could have been saved out of gross error, had they only listened. This is why a correct hermeneutic is vital. When you disregard clear scripture teaching verse-by-verse, you set yourself up for deadly poisonous deception. I was wrong before .. that's why I re-evaluated the pre-trib doctrine and found it to be a lie. Therefore I have dealt with the possibility that I was wrong. No one is 'self' righteous; only those who have believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ are righteous. You should know that. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States01/16/2023 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will 'believe' in an unproven, unscriptural and fabricated doctrine no matter what. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Even when the bodies of their loved ones lay around them from drinking the purple koolaid .. they will still believe the lie. It's a strong delusion they are under ... will they wake up before it is too late. That's just your stupid opinion. Thank you for your astute observation, picture gurl. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85119373 United States01/16/2023 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The pain and regret written on people's faces when they realize that their loved ones could have been saved out of gross error, had they only listened. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 What are you talking about? Don't play coy with me "The pain and regret written on people's faces when they realize that their loved ones could have been saved out of gross error, had they only listened." What the hell are you talking about? |
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