The War Against the Rapture.

What does Jonestown, Guyana have to do with anything?

I have no clue how this is supposed to make some sense in your head

and you refuse to explain your madness.

And your version of the rapture is just your stupid opinion.

What is your smart opinion?

Why does it bother you

that they believe that Jesus will rescue them?

vs

Would Jesus rescue them?

Could Jesus rescue them?

It is not that Jesus can't or won't rescue them. It is that they (none of us) deserve to be rescued. We all fall short and we must all suffer.

Yes, we suck.

That why Jesus had to die for us.

Correct.

101.

Why did Jesus die?

Are you suffering?

Must you suffer?

Did your grandma suffer?

Was it enough?

What the hell are you talking about?

Does Jesus save any of us?

Does Jesus save us from hell??

Does Jesus save us from hell on earth???

He died to redeem us.

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What does that mean?

From what?

To what?

When?

Is it done

or do you have to do something else too?

Or should we just call it stupid?

He saves us from eternal damnation (hell) if we profess Him to be our Saviour.

Hell on earth is what we have made of this planet. He didn't create hell on earth- we did. And for doing that we must pay a price.

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Can Jesus rescue you away from Satan's incarnate hell on earth if he wants to do that?

Yes. If He wanted to rescue us, He can do that.

Now, we KNOW that we are not worthy

and that is exactly why we believe in HIS WORTHINESS, right?

So we hope and pray to be counted worthy by Him

which can only mean that we are one of His.

I think what you need to accept is this:

You interpret scripture one way and others interpret it another way.

You have your opinion, other people have a different opinion.

You do not want me to enforce my opinion on you (I dont' blame you! LOL!) But then you cannot enforce your opinion on me.

Know that I love you as a brother (or sister, not sure if you are a man or woman) and I pray the Lord blesses you abundantly.

How do you explain the countless millions that come through the time of tribulation? If they were raptured away why still countless here??

You rapture people are cultist. Its not foretold in the bible, its your fear and doubt about the tribulation that has you becoming mystical christians with itching ears for another Gospel than the one given.

He came once and he will come again!! No doubt!

On the Last Day! By His Own Words!!!
Why you so twisted with this rapture bullshit??
No one escapes what he has prepared us for our entire lives!

"Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Hey thats a great question, i wonder if the OP can answer that??

Sorry, I had an errand to run.

When we don't care for what the scripture says .. we want what we want.
When we don't care for orthodoxy or sound, solid doctrine .. we want what we want.
A price will be paid for rejecting sola scriptura.
You can sure of that.

When Born Again Christians who have been deceived by the pre-Trib Rapture theory find themselves deep in Great Tribulation -

"And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away."

Will they 'fall away'? Will they despair?
Will they drink the koolaid of Jonestown, Waco, Heaven's Gate and numerous others?

There is a right and there is a wrong, and it IS important.
Especially today when I hear 'rapture is imminent' (soon, very soon) from every quarter.

That is a recipe for endtime disaster being cooked up for the church, I fear.

Please read this from Corrie Ten Boom:

'There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

In China, the Christians were told, ” Don’t worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated- raptured.” Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later, I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,

“We have failed..
We should have made the people strong for persecution,
rather than telling them Jesus would come first.
Tell the people to be strong in times of persecution,
how to stand when the tribulation comes,
to stand and not faint.”

I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it. We are next.'

As you said, Noah was preserved, protected.
But prior to the flood, Enoch was taken, translated.

Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


Noah is a type of the 144,000, protected through tribulation.

Enoch is a type of the church, which is raptured before it starts.

These kind of types are all through the bible.

Here's another one-

"when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed." 2Thess 1:10

What day is that? The Rapture or the Second Coming?

It's only ONE day .. THAT Day.
Not 2 different Days ...