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Libs are Liars...Woof!  User ID: 81593934  United States01/17/2023 11:27 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gee a war against the IMPOSSIBLE.. who would have thought.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84981648 Again.. Jesus is not going to ride his white horse across the sky and pick up 2 billion stupid Christians... he didi NOT start your religion.. he did not create a religion where STUPID is special and to be special you must be stupid and and believe God or Jesus will roast your meat suit in eternal fire to you fuck up and don't join the religion he did not start. Jesus came to awaken humans to know The Father is within each one that is moral and of normal mind. to believe in this shit God that will fry you if you don't join the religion Jesus did not start... is beyond stupid people.. grow the fuck up already. He taught the Father indwells HUMANS... His Father is YOUR FATHER TOO... He came to help uplift INTELLIGENCE on this world. I am not being harsh here.. I am just trying to get you ones to reason beyond the church garbage you are fed. There is no hell anywhere in the creation and we are not God's only planet and all that stuff that is stuffed down your throats. if you want off the planet in your suit of meat.. you will board ship.. only way it will work If Jesus could take all of 2 billion people on his white horse... 2 billion of you would face gravity and make some awful big splats on the ground when you hit it. Meat does not go to heaven.. your Spirit does... and upon your resurrection .. you are given a new form to wear that does not require TOILETS.... how about that one.... glory be.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85124172 United States01/17/2023 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidenced by her copy and pace responses to any question that requires spiritual discernment and any in depth biblical knowledge, disallowing any real intellectual content of her own, just pasting diatribe from the cult she blindly follows. Literally a human parrot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85124102 Its why most responses to direct questions to Judeth are answered by AC's with foreign country flags. Its like those ruling us now with their duel citizenships. Trators ready to hope down on either side of the fence so long as they escape condemnation for their tyranny and propaganda spreading. Any church signing a 5013C is the same thing, they give their own authority over to the government for financial favor. And the churches you will also soon discover are a big hub to this global child trafficking for adrenochrome and organ harvesting. They are as thick as thieves while they preach from God's pulpit. This entire satanic cabal is being brought to its knees and with their own tongues you shall hear their confessions before they are all put to death. God Wins! Can you imagine a day in time where people (as the apostle Paul urges us which is actually God speaking through Paul by way of the Holy Spirit, God urges us to comfort one another and look forward to the promise of His bride being rescued in the last days) not only tear down God’s promise through gross misinterpretation but call those who are looking for His coming cult members and scornfully attack, mock, harass, and personally ridicule these individuals who are trying to uplift others and prepare them for what’s coming. Funny it’s never the other way around. Absolutely sickening the divide and you will know them by their fruits. This promise of God is definitely a litmus test and an obvious one at that to those who can discern and see through the insecure facade that so many attempt to portray regarding God’s promised rescue of His bride.  Well thought out and well stated, like you said this isnt a debate. The truth God gave us in His word is to dispel the deception and the lie, and even to detect whether an angel of light is good or bad. The entire "rapture theory" can be dispelled and dispensed with quite easily. God came already, well recorded in History. His second coming is marked by some explicitly described circumstances that no one can escape recognition of. He comes back with His angels in the clouds on the last day, of which no man has been given a specific date. We just know its on the last day when the inhabitants of earth are taken to the threshing floor. His sudden and long anticipated appearance will be marked by the dead in Christ rising first, and those alive gathered up simultaneously, then the dead shall rise, after all of God's Saints are gathered together unto Himself. All of those who are alive and have walked through the time of tribulation with the double outpouring of His Holy Spirit, are gathered unto Him at the very same moment as clearly outlined scripturally for all to easily understand. The only ones not gathered unto Him after that are those who have died in their sin for rejecting the Truth. This whole rapture and left behind assertions is nothing more than utter rubbish! God is austere and swift with justice, all done in the twinkling of an eye. God foretold it that way so there would be no confusion. Only the delusional would even speak of anything different. The strongly delusional. He stiffens the neck of the wicked in the last days. God will pour His Holy Spirit out in the last days on the entirety of mankind! To those whom He Loves it will be the most edifying time of your lives spiritually and physically. But to those practicing evil it will have quite an adverse effect on. Hope for the things of the bible spoken of by Him. People who know of Him and of His word, but still live in fear and doubt have not made the transition to life yet. Though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death though are with me. How do you walk with Him through the valley of death , not around it, if youve already been taken away? The path that leads any man or women to God is a difficult one and few there be that find it. Its difficult to travel and requires a strong Faith and much endurance and sacrifice. Choose wisely, there aint no easy way out, and God made that abundantly clear to all. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85085494  Canada01/17/2023 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well thought out and well stated, like you said this isnt a debate. The truth God gave us in His word is to dispel the deception and the lie, and even to detect whether an angel of light is good or bad. The entire "rapture theory" can be dispelled and dispensed with quite easily. God came already, well recorded in History. His second coming is marked by some explicitly described circumstances that no one can escape recognition of. He comes back with His angels in the clouds on the last day, of which no man has been given a specific date. We just know its on the last day when the inhabitants of earth are taken to the threshing floor. His sudden and long anticipated appearance will be marked by the dead in Christ rising first, and those alive gathered up simultaneously, then the dead shall rise, after all of God's Saints are gathered together unto Himself. All of those who are alive and have walked through the time of tribulation with the double outpouring of His Holy Spirit, are gathered unto Him at the very same moment as clearly outlined scripturally for all to easily understand. The only ones not gathered unto Him after that are those who have died in their sin for rejecting the Truth. This whole rapture and left behind assertions is nothing more than utter rubbish! God is austere and swift with justice, all done in the twinkling of an eye. God foretold it that way so there would be no confusion. Only the delusional would even speak of anything different. The strongly delusional. He stiffens the neck of the wicked in the last days. God will pour His Holy Spirit out in the last days on the entirety of mankind! To those whom He Loves it will be the most edifying time of your lives spiritually and physically. But to those practicing evil it will have quite an adverse effect on. Hope for the things of the bible spoken of by Him. People who know of Him and of His word, but still live in fear and doubt have not made the transition to life yet. Though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death though are with me. How do you walk with Him through the valley of death , not around it, if youve already been taken away? The path that leads any man or women to God is a difficult one and few there be that find it. Its difficult to travel and requires a strong Faith and much endurance and sacrifice. Choose wisely, there aint no easy way out, and God made that abundantly clear to all. The promise of rescuing the his bride is true, it's coming sooner rather than later. But as I posted above you, at the 2nd coming is not possible. Regarding the threshing floor you mentioned, after the 2nd coming the tares/unbelievers are gathered into the winepress. If you have a post tribulation resurrection/rapture, there will be no wheat left to gather since all believers will have glorified bodies at that point. No wheat, means nobody left with original natural bodies to enter the millennium. Therefore the post tribulation resurrection/rapture view is FALSE because we know people with original natural bodies enter the millennium and populate it. That's a problem it cannot solve, and therefore it is irrefutably FALSE. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The earliest attested Christian document outside of the New Testament writings is called The Didache, written sometime between A.D. 50–120. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318 What is highly significant about the earliest commentary on Jesus’ teaching is that it explicitly places the coming of Christ to resurrect the dead after the Antichrist’s great tribulation, not before. Thus, it recognizes that the apostle Paul’s teaching on the resurrection in 1 Thessalonians 4 is the same teaching that Jesus taught in Matthew 24. The Didache states: “For as lawlessness increases, they will hate and persecute and betray one another. And then the deceiver of the world [Antichrist] will appear as a son of God and “will perform signs and wonders,” and the earth will be delivered into his hands, and he will commit abominations the likes of which have never happened before [great tribulation]. Then all humankind will come to the fiery test, and “many will fall away” and perish; but “those who endure” in their faith “will be saved”. [delivered from the day of the Lord] And “then there will appear the signs” of the truth: first the sign of an opening in heaven, then the sign of the sound of a trumpet, and third, the resurrection of the dead; rather, as it has been said, “The Lord will come, and all his saints with him.” Then the world “will see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven” [shekinah glory] (The Apostolic Fathers, Second Edition, Ed. Michael W. Holmes, 16:4–8). As is clearly shown the resurrection of the righteous follows after the Antichrist’s great tribulation. The label “prewrath” is new, but its fundamental beliefs are ancient. Pretribulationism must wait 1,800 years to produce a document that teaches their theology! Clearly eh? The Rapture/Resurrection is clearly after the Great Tribulation correct? Clearly? As in the days of Noah clearly? Will people be eating and drinking, giving in marriage and partying after the Great Tribulation and where “ugly, festering sores” will break out on all who have the mark of the beast which will be the majority of those living on earth at this time, where the sea is turned to blood and all living things die in the seas and oceans, where the rivers and fresh water springs on earth all turn to blood, where the sun scorches people on earth with Fire, where people gnaw their tongues in agony, and earthquakes splitting continents where “no earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake”… None of this lines up does it with Jesus saying His return would be like the days of Noah where people are marrying and giving in marriage, eating and drinking and partying and such does it? None of it lines up because the pre-Tribulation rapture is scriptural and the above is nonsense regarding a post-Tribulation rapture as a post-tribulation rapture is physically impossible scripturally. Wake up scoffers and dividers of God’s word, wake up before it’s too late. So tired of the idiocy. You are 'so tired' of the earliest christians and what they believed from the Apostles teaching ... You truly represent the endtimes Laodicean false church. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33157731 United States01/18/2023 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidenced by her copy and pace responses to any question that requires spiritual discernment and any in depth biblical knowledge, disallowing any real intellectual content of her own, just pasting diatribe from the cult she blindly follows. Literally a human parrot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85124102 Its why most responses to direct questions to Judeth are answered by AC's with foreign country flags. Its like those ruling us now with their duel citizenships. Trators ready to hope down on either side of the fence so long as they escape condemnation for their tyranny and propaganda spreading. Any church signing a 5013C is the same thing, they give their own authority over to the government for financial favor. And the churches you will also soon discover are a big hub to this global child trafficking for adrenochrome and organ harvesting. They are as thick as thieves while they preach from God's pulpit. This entire satanic cabal is being brought to its knees and with their own tongues you shall hear their confessions before they are all put to death. God Wins! Can you imagine a day in time where people (as the apostle Paul urges us which is actually God speaking through Paul by way of the Holy Spirit, God urges us to comfort one another and look forward to the promise of His bride being rescued in the last days) not only tear down God’s promise through gross misinterpretation but call those who are looking for His coming cult members and scornfully attack, mock, harass, and personally ridicule these individuals who are trying to uplift others and prepare them for what’s coming. Funny it’s never the other way around. Absolutely sickening the divide and you will know them by their fruits. This promise of God is definitely a litmus test and an obvious one at that to those who can discern and see through the insecure facade that so many attempt to portray regarding God’s promised rescue of His bride.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 01:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well thought out and well stated, like you said this isnt a debate. The truth God gave us in His word is to dispel the deception and the lie, and even to detect whether an angel of light is good or bad. The entire "rapture theory" can be dispelled and dispensed with quite easily. God came already, well recorded in History. His second coming is marked by some explicitly described circumstances that no one can escape recognition of. He comes back with His angels in the clouds on the last day, of which no man has been given a specific date. We just know its on the last day when the inhabitants of earth are taken to the threshing floor. His sudden and long anticipated appearance will be marked by the dead in Christ rising first, and those alive gathered up simultaneously, then the dead shall rise, after all of God's Saints are gathered together unto Himself. All of those who are alive and have walked through the time of tribulation with the double outpouring of His Holy Spirit, are gathered unto Him at the very same moment as clearly outlined scripturally for all to easily understand. The only ones not gathered unto Him after that are those who have died in their sin for rejecting the Truth. This whole rapture and left behind assertions is nothing more than utter rubbish! God is austere and swift with justice, all done in the twinkling of an eye. God foretold it that way so there would be no confusion. Only the delusional would even speak of anything different. The strongly delusional. He stiffens the neck of the wicked in the last days. God will pour His Holy Spirit out in the last days on the entirety of mankind! To those whom He Loves it will be the most edifying time of your lives spiritually and physically. But to those practicing evil it will have quite an adverse effect on. Hope for the things of the bible spoken of by Him. People who know of Him and of His word, but still live in fear and doubt have not made the transition to life yet. Though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death though are with me. How do you walk with Him through the valley of death , not around it, if youve already been taken away? The path that leads any man or women to God is a difficult one and few there be that find it. Its difficult to travel and requires a strong Faith and much endurance and sacrifice. Choose wisely, there aint no easy way out, and God made that abundantly clear to all. The promise of rescuing the his bride is true, it's coming sooner rather than later. But as I posted above you, at the 2nd coming is not possible. Regarding the threshing floor you mentioned, after the 2nd coming the tares/unbelievers are gathered into the winepress. If you have a post tribulation resurrection/rapture, there will be no wheat left to gather since all believers will have glorified bodies at that point. No wheat, means nobody left with original natural bodies to enter the millennium. Therefore the post tribulation resurrection/rapture view is FALSE because we know people with original natural bodies enter the millennium and populate it. That's a problem it cannot solve, and therefore it is irrefutably FALSE. I perceive that you have never heard of the Sheep and Goat Judgement: [There will be survivors amongst the nations, as God will cut short the Great Tribulation else no flesh would be left] Christ will separate the Nations into the Sheep (who were kind to God’s People) and the Goats (who persecuted God’s People). The Goats will go to Hell and the Sheep Nations will receive the inheritance which was prepared for them since the foundation of the World. (Namely to be the Nations during the Millennium and in Eternity). "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is absolute no merit to this post. Read that OP again. Just because there's a war on something, doesn't automatically validate it's existence. It could actually be a two pronged attack. The same thing could be said for climate change.... ....and we all know how real that is. Hey, OP - you ever consider that The Rapture program was engineered by a group of sith lords attempting to hijack the collective manifestation powers of the humanities subconscious mind? In that scenario, you would be falling right into their trap - doing their dirty work for them. In short your advocating some story written down in a book. It's sort of like wanting Harry Potter to actually come true. Imagine if thousands of years from now there was a cult of Harry Potter fans claiming there was a prophesized event out of their fiction book. I'm sure if enough people believed it some tings would start to happen.... .... of if enough people started to unbelieve it - it wouldn't. Spot on. The only proof the pre-Trib people have is their belief in it. Pre-Trib HAS to be true .. because they believe it. If enough of them believe it, it will force God's hand ... Well Beloved, it doesn't work that way. Truth is revealed from God and we are expected to believe it. That is the order of things, not the other way around. We don't believe something and therefore our belief makes it true / rather, something is truth revealed from God and we believe it. This type of backwards belief is a hallmark of the Word of Faith movement (blab it and grab it / name it and claim it) Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Oldsteen, Joyce Meyer .. these types of shysters. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85124625 United States01/18/2023 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidenced by her copy and pace responses to any question that requires spiritual discernment and any in depth biblical knowledge, disallowing any real intellectual content of her own, just pasting diatribe from the cult she blindly follows. Literally a human parrot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85124102 Its why most responses to direct questions to Judeth are answered by AC's with foreign country flags. Its like those ruling us now with their duel citizenships. Trators ready to hope down on either side of the fence so long as they escape condemnation for their tyranny and propaganda spreading. Any church signing a 5013C is the same thing, they give their own authority over to the government for financial favor. And the churches you will also soon discover are a big hub to this global child trafficking for adrenochrome and organ harvesting. They are as thick as thieves while they preach from God's pulpit. This entire satanic cabal is being brought to its knees and with their own tongues you shall hear their confessions before they are all put to death. God Wins! Can you imagine a day in time where people (as the apostle Paul urges us which is actually God speaking through Paul by way of the Holy Spirit, God urges us to comfort one another and look forward to the promise of His bride being rescued in the last days) not only tear down God’s promise through gross misinterpretation but call those who are looking for His coming cult members and scornfully attack, mock, harass, and personally ridicule these individuals who are trying to uplift others and prepare them for what’s coming. Funny it’s never the other way around. Absolutely sickening the divide and you will know them by their fruits. This promise of God is definitely a litmus test and an obvious one at that to those who can discern and see through the insecure facade that so many attempt to portray regarding God’s promised rescue of His bride.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church of Believers by Jesus Christ to Jesus Christ is the Truth of Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 You are Free to insist otherwise as much as you want. We absolutely will all see and know the Truth. You believe it ... Therefore it MUST be true. FAIL. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79327754 United States01/18/2023 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is the intensity of the persistent hostility against it. Unbelievers and many believers alike are very clearly very bothered by the Rapture like nothing else They really don't like and fight against the idea that Jesus Christ will select those He chooses to rescue away from hell on earth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79327754 United States01/18/2023 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church of Believers by Jesus Christ to Jesus Christ is the Truth of Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 You are Free to insist otherwise as much as you want. We absolutely will all see and know the Truth. You believe it ... Therefore it MUST be true. FAIL. I didn't say must. I didn't say fail. That's you. We will see... YOU will see. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79327754 United States01/18/2023 02:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the most compelling evidences in favor of the probable truthfulness of the Rapture in my opinion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 is the intensity of the persistent hostility against it. Unbelievers and many believers alike are very clearly very bothered by the Rapture like nothing else They really don't like and fight against the idea that Jesus Christ will select those He chooses to rescue away from hell on earth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 02:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the most compelling evidences in favor of the probable truthfulness of the Rapture in my opinion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 is the intensity of the persistent hostility against it. Unbelievers and many believers alike are very clearly very bothered by the Rapture like nothing else They really don't like and fight against the idea that Jesus Christ will select those He chooses to rescue away from hell on earth. This is the same persecution complex that cults like witnesses use to deceive their members into thinking they are the truth. The persecution they receive when you slam the door in their faces tells them they are true. The Pre-Trib Rapture crowd and the witnesses are also similar in that they have predicted the Rapture / Second Coming numerous times to the tune of numerous fails. The Word of God tells us that people or organizations that do that are FALSE PROPHETS and to NOT BELIEVE THEM. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79778886 United States01/18/2023 02:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the most compelling evidences in favor of the probable truthfulness of the Rapture in my opinion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 is the intensity of the persistent hostility against it. Unbelievers and many believers alike are very clearly very bothered by the Rapture like nothing else They really don't like and fight against the idea that Jesus Christ will select those He chooses to rescue away from hell on earth. Thats as about as unscriptural as it gets. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the most compelling evidences in favor of the probable truthfulness of the Rapture in my opinion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 is the intensity of the persistent hostility against it. Unbelievers and many believers alike are very clearly very bothered by the Rapture like nothing else They really don't like and fight against the idea that Jesus Christ will select those He chooses to rescue away from hell on earth. Thats as about as unscriptural as it gets. They don't care about scriptural or not. They believe what they want and to hell with anyone that does not believe the lie. It's like dealing with a three year old. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church of Believers by Jesus Christ to Jesus Christ is the Truth of Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79327754 You are Free to insist otherwise as much as you want. We absolutely will all see and know the Truth. Now stamp your feet and throw yourself down Have a tantrum, 3 year old. Mad. Get Mad. Wahhhhhhhhhhhh. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50914686 United States01/18/2023 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doubtful, no one likes being chicken shitted. And the OP wont allow for any criticism of her serious lack of understanding. God is coming back as a warrior, not a thief. He made it simple so that none would be deceived. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85124720 United States01/18/2023 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doubtful, no one likes being chicken shitted. And the OP wont allow for any criticism of her serious lack of understanding. God is coming back as a warrior, not a thief. He made it simple so that none would be deceived. On the last day as Christ The Almighty Warrior, dead in Christ rise first, the living followers of Christ rise second in the twinkling of an eye. Why are rapture tards afraid of Gods Wrath that he delivers on the head of the wicked only? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doubtful, no one likes being chicken shitted. And the OP wont allow for any criticism of her serious lack of understanding. God is coming back as a warrior, not a thief. He made it simple so that none would be deceived. Why are rapture tards afraid of Gods Wrath that he delivers on the head of the wicked only? Because they incorrectly equate Tribulation / Great Tribulation with the Wrath of God. It is NOT Wrath. If they could get that straight in their minds, everything else falls into place. Such an easy thing .. but they are obstinate in their refusal to believe the truth. They delight in error. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85085466 Canada01/18/2023 03:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The promise of rescuing the his bride is true, it's coming sooner rather than later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85085494 But as I posted above you, at the 2nd coming is not possible. Regarding the threshing floor you mentioned, after the 2nd coming the tares/unbelievers are gathered into the winepress. If you have a post tribulation resurrection/rapture, there will be no wheat left to gather since all believers will have glorified bodies at that point. No wheat, means nobody left with original natural bodies to enter the millennium. Therefore the post tribulation resurrection/rapture view is FALSE because we know people with original natural bodies enter the millennium and populate it. That's a problem it cannot solve, and therefore it is irrefutably FALSE. I perceive that you have never heard of the Sheep and Goat Judgement: [There will be survivors amongst the nations, as God will cut short the Great Tribulation else no flesh would be left] Christ will separate the Nations into the Sheep (who were kind to God’s People) and the Goats (who persecuted God’s People). The Goats will go to Hell and the Sheep Nations will receive the inheritance which was prepared for them since the foundation of the World. (Namely to be the Nations during the Millennium and in Eternity). "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me." Exactly, it supports a pre-tribulation view of the rapture. If the resurrection/rapture is post tribulation, and all believers receive glorified bodies at that time, there would be no Sheep to separate and inherit the kingdom. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85124720 United States01/18/2023 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doubtful, no one likes being chicken shitted. And the OP wont allow for any criticism of her serious lack of understanding. God is coming back as a warrior, not a thief. He made it simple so that none would be deceived. Why are rapture tards afraid of Gods Wrath that he delivers on the head of the wicked only? Because they incorrectly equate Tribulation / Great Tribulation with the Wrath of God. It is NOT Wrath. If they could get that straight in their minds, everything else falls into place. Such an easy thing .. but they are obstinate in their refusal to believe the truth. They delight in error. The Great Tribulation is Gods' wrath being poured out in full strength on the wicked only. They are reserved for His wrath but unto those he loves salvation. Why does god say that though a thousand by your left and ten thousand by your right shall fall, but nigh will come to thee? If your not even gonna be there? Jesus prayed to the Father that we be not taken out of the world but delivered through it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The promise of rescuing the his bride is true, it's coming sooner rather than later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85085494 But as I posted above you, at the 2nd coming is not possible. Regarding the threshing floor you mentioned, after the 2nd coming the tares/unbelievers are gathered into the winepress. If you have a post tribulation resurrection/rapture, there will be no wheat left to gather since all believers will have glorified bodies at that point. No wheat, means nobody left with original natural bodies to enter the millennium. Therefore the post tribulation resurrection/rapture view is FALSE because we know people with original natural bodies enter the millennium and populate it. That's a problem it cannot solve, and therefore it is irrefutably FALSE. I perceive that you have never heard of the Sheep and Goat Judgement: [There will be survivors amongst the nations, as God will cut short the Great Tribulation else no flesh would be left] Christ will separate the Nations into the Sheep (who were kind to God’s People) and the Goats (who persecuted God’s People). The Goats will go to Hell and the Sheep Nations will receive the inheritance which was prepared for them since the foundation of the World. (Namely to be the Nations during the Millennium and in Eternity). "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me." Exactly, it supports a pre-tribulation view of the rapture. If the resurrection/rapture is post tribulation, and all believers receive glorified bodies at that time, there would be no Sheep to separate and inherit the kingdom. Incorrect. Survivors are the Sheep and Goats. They are judged on their treatment of God's people, not on belief/unbelief. You keep tripping on that last point. Brainwashing is a tough beast to beat ... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 01/18/2023 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50914686 Doubtful, no one likes being chicken shitted. And the OP wont allow for any criticism of her serious lack of understanding. God is coming back as a warrior, not a thief. He made it simple so that none would be deceived. Why are rapture tards afraid of Gods Wrath that he delivers on the head of the wicked only? Because they incorrectly equate Tribulation / Great Tribulation with the Wrath of God. It is NOT Wrath. If they could get that straight in their minds, everything else falls into place. Such an easy thing .. but they are obstinate in their refusal to believe the truth. They delight in error. The Great Tribulation is Gods' wrath being poured out in full strength on the wicked only. They are reserved for His wrath but unto those he loves salvation. Why does god say that though a thousand by your left and ten thousand by your right shall fall, but nigh will come to thee? If your not even gonna be there? Jesus prayed to the Father that we be not taken out of the world but delivered through it. Show a scripture verse that says the Great Tribulation is God's Wrath ... you can't find it because it is not there. Rather, Jesus Himself separates Great Tribulation and God's Wrath in the Olivet Discourse .. which agrees with the Revelation timeline. Great Tribulation is from Satan. Wrath is from God. Simple things like this would get you back on the right path. |
