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R(r) User ID: 79009989 United States 01/12/2023 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why is there a dispute about God's Word here? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85096947 Is God's Word a stinking pile of poop that is not clear and unambiguous for everyone? It’s Gods “word” because you and others call it that What are you trying to say? Are you implying that what is written in the Scriptures is not God's will? Good grief, not again. The Bible is not God speaking in the first person. Is that what you think it is? Inspired, yes. Context yes. There's your point of confusion. Scripture has lots of lies in it told by men, because scripture is truth, and the truth is men lie. That's why it's called the word OF God and not the word BY God. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85098229 01/12/2023 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pretty sure he claimed to be the least of the apostles. He's a great wordsmith with his letters. Quoting: CMcC Jesus did NOT chose that man. he was never one of he original 12. the apostles are the original 12. You are mistaken. Partly because you do not realize that the old term "Apostle" is basically our current term; "Ambassador". It denotes a person with an official message or is authorized to speak or act for a King or other leader, in his Absence. There are 12 Apostles of the Lamb, which witness the message of Jesus to the twelve tribes of Israel. Paul was an Apostile to the Gentiles, not to Israel. The difference is in; to whom the message of Jesus was sent. Jesus contrrairy to popular belief (and imporper teaching) did not destroy the Law. He said so himself (Matthew 5:17-18) . It still applies to Israel and Hebrews, even Today. However the Gentiles (who were never under the Law), had to recieve a slightly different message, from a different Apostle(AKA Paul). Things like circumcision that still applied to Israel, did not now apply to Gentile Christians (because they were never under that requirement of the Law).The same goes for upholding the Sabbath and the other Holy Days and Festivals of Israel. They are still required of them ( being as they are still under those laws), but they are not required of Gentile Christians. Which is where a lot of people get off track, as they do not understand the message of Jesus and how it applies with the Laws of Israel and how the laws of Israel, do not apply, ( Previously, Now or in the Future) to Gentiles Christians. Jesus refused to preach where the "Israelis" were, because they were trying to kill him. So much for everything you just said lol. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85098229 01/12/2023 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter called Paul's Letters Scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85097655 Paul preached only Christ. If you don't like Paul, you don't like Christ. [link to ripensaresanpaolo.wordpress.com (secure)] ^ one of literally dozens of web pages found within minutes that prove you wrong |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73494546 United States 01/12/2023 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter called Paul's Letters Scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85097655 Paul preached only Christ. If you don't like Paul, you don't like Christ. [link to ripensaresanpaolo.wordpress.com (secure)] ^ one of literally dozens of web pages found within minutes that prove you wrong Whatever. Paul preaches Jesus Christ. You are against Jesus Christ. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78230975 United States 01/12/2023 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s not the man but the massage the demons hate. Paul was an apostle, approved by Peter and chosen by Jesus Christ. Anyone who hate Paul, hates Jesus, The one who chose him and made him the most prolific biblical writer on record. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22255432 United States 01/12/2023 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter and the other 11 wrote that Paul was an Apostle and that his letters were scripture, just like the old testament is scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Why do you feel the need to deceive? John Chapter 8 has the answer. If you think the scriptures are deception, put down the crack pipe boy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83899662 Spain 01/12/2023 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter and the other 11 wrote that Paul was an Apostle and that his letters were scripture, just like the old testament is scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Why do you feel the need to deceive? John Chapter 8 has the answer. If you think the scriptures are deception, put down the crack pipe boy. There is plenty of deception. Starting with Genesis 2. Thread: God is real. There is right and wrong. Men are men. Women are women. There is judgment. There is heaven and hell. (Page 2) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83899662 Spain 01/12/2023 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter and the other 11 wrote that Paul was an Apostle and that his letters were scripture, just like the old testament is scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Why do you feel the need to deceive? John Chapter 8 has the answer. If you think the scriptures are deception, put down the crack pipe boy. There is plenty of deception. Starting with Genesis 2. Thread: God is real. There is right and wrong. Men are men. Women are women. There is judgment. There is heaven and hell. (Page 2) As for Paul, was he accepted by the Ephesoans, yes or no? 2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: [youtube]and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83899662 Spain 01/12/2023 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85098229 Why do you feel the need to deceive? John Chapter 8 has the answer. If you think the scriptures are deception, put down the crack pipe boy. There is plenty of deception. Starting with Genesis 2. Thread: God is real. There is right and wrong. Men are men. Women are women. There is judgment. There is heaven and hell. (Page 2) As for Paul, was he accepted by the Ephesians, yes or no? 2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Tell the Truth. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83899662 Spain 01/12/2023 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 If you think the scriptures are deception, put down the crack pipe boy. There is plenty of deception. Starting with Genesis 2. Thread: God is real. There is right and wrong. Men are men. Women are women. There is judgment. There is heaven and hell. (Page 2) As for Paul, was he accepted by the Ephesians, yes or no? 2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Tell the Truth. John 3:19 |
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(OP) User ID: 25769236 United States 01/13/2023 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pretty sure he claimed to be the least of the apostles. He's a great wordsmith with his letters. Quoting: CMcC Jesus did NOT chose that man. he was never one of he original 12. the apostles are the original 12. You are mistaken. Partly because you do not realize that the old term "Apostle" is basically our current term; "Ambassador". It denotes a person with an official message or is authorized to speak or act for a King or other leader, in his Absence. There are 12 Apostles of the Lamb, which witness the message of Jesus to the twelve tribes of Israel. Paul was an Apostile to the Gentiles, not to Israel. The difference is in; to whom the message of Jesus was sent. Jesus contrrairy to popular belief (and imporper teaching) did not destroy the Law. He said so himself (Matthew 5:17-18) . It still applies to Israel and Hebrews, even Today. However the Gentiles (who were never under the Law), had to recieve a slightly different message, from a different Apostle(AKA Paul). Things like circumcision that still applied to Israel, did not now apply to Gentile Christians (because they were never under that requirement of the Law).The same goes for upholding the Sabbath and the other Holy Days and Festivals of Israel. They are still required of them ( being as they are still under those laws), but they are not required of Gentile Christians. Which is where a lot of people get off track, as they do not understand the message of Jesus and how it applies with the Laws of Israel and how the laws of Israel, do not apply, ( Previously, Now or in the Future) to Gentiles Christians. Well you certainly got a healthy dose of garbage thinking from the church. If you actually understood the context of the OT you would understand that there is a major flaw in your thinking. There is no Israel/church divide. We are all under the same program. Isaiah 56:6-7 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. No one can know what race they are, now especially but even back during the OT. The gospel of Christ was for all men. Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought. |
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User ID: 72061952 China 01/13/2023 08:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter doesn't agree for starters. What is your real agenda? Are you a dual citizen? YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
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User ID: 80833891 China 01/13/2023 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus did NOT chose that man. he was never one of he original 12. the apostles are the original 12. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85097183 Yes he did choose him. What's with the lies? I don't hate you . But your very wrong about the satanic rapture doctrines YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84251581 Sweden 01/13/2023 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter and the other 11 wrote that Paul was an Apostle and that his letters were scripture, just like the old testament is scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432 Why do you feel the need to deceive? John Chapter 8 has the answer. You're the one deceiving. John Chapter 8 does not say Apostle Paul is a false prophet. Do you have any ideal how severe the punishment is for deliberately misleading people? Also, what cult do you belong to? I bet you don't have the integrity to say. |
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User ID: 80833891 China 01/13/2023 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 Peter 3: 15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour YAHshua Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. - Bible Offline YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84921492 United Kingdom 01/13/2023 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now we are told that they will twist and distort scripture unto their own destruction - all scripture including Paul’s letters. They twist and distort PLURAL false apostles to read only one person, the apostle Paul. If they are willing and able to twist one plural word into a singular word there is truly no end to what they won’t twist and distort of scripture |
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User ID: 80833891 China 01/13/2023 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Favorite classic argument always proposed against apostle Paul is the revelation passage regarding Ephesus and the false apostles, plural. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84921492 Now we are told that they will twist and distort scripture unto their own destruction - all scripture including Paul’s letters. They twist and distort PLURAL false apostles to read only one person, the apostle Paul. If they are willing and able to twist one plural word into a singular word there is truly no end to what they won’t twist and distort of scripture True. Lord expose their agenda world wide. So that Your sheep be not decieved further Amen YAHshua YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
R(r) User ID: 79009989 United States 01/13/2023 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter called Paul's Letters Scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85097655 Paul preached only Christ. If you don't like Paul, you don't like Christ. [link to ripensaresanpaolo.wordpress.com (secure)] ^ one of literally dozens of web pages found within minutes that prove you wrong Whatever. Paul preaches Jesus Christ. You are against Jesus Christ. So here is th problem with Paul, as I see it. First of all, yes Paul preached Christ, and I will even allow that he had good intentions. However, Paul also preached Paul. Paul became a pillar of Peters church (simon peter the sorcerer who tried to sell salvation with Phillip, Bible calls it LICENTIOUS GRACE the church called it indulgences., and let's not forget that Christ called Peter satan) so in essence Paul helped to create the substitute for Christ. THe "vicar" (substitue) of Christ evolved to the most elevated, most holy an in the minds of many, actually supernatural and somehow qualified to dictate the mind of God. Paul even contradicts himself when writing to Timothy, stating plainly that there is one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ. Granted, Paul said a lot of accurate, likely inspred things. However, also wrote his own little book of rules for "Christians" to follow. He got carried away with himself, and in my opinion consequently created misleading doctrine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 84921492 United Kingdom 01/13/2023 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another hallmark of the “Jesus words only” cult is that they preach that anomia doesn’t really mean lawlessness but rather “a negatiion of the law of Moses” That right there is the heart of what they believe - that one must practice the law of Moses in order to be saved. Here is what this “Jesus’ words only” crowd believe: “ Because if we accept Jesus as the sole prophetic authority in the New Testament, we have a dilemma. Paul had many novel and unusual lessons of what the gospel represents. If Paul is no longer on par with Jesus, then Pauline salvation doctrine would lose its grip and legitimacy. A different salvation doc- trine would emerge. If we only had Jesus, then Jesus’ message on initial justification by repentance from sin would emerge unmolested. Jesus’ message had sole emphasis, salvation would be a pro- cess that requires ongoing repentance from sin to stay justi- fied with God and be saved. (1 John 1:9; John 15:1-6.) We would no longer have the freedom to sin without losing salvation, contrary to what Paul is viewed to teach. “ “ Instead, if we relied upon Jesus’ words without any constraint to make them fit Paul’s doctrines, we would have to trust Jesus’ promise of salvation for endurance and obedi- ence in keeping His words. ” In essence when they get rid of the apostle Paul they are left with the following doctrine of salvation: “salvation would be a process that requires ongoing repentance from sin to stay justified with God and be saved.” “That salvation is lost upon sinning and requires another round of repentance” “We must endure and obey in keeping his words” “And that keeping his words means keeping the law of Moses, the breaking of which constitutes sin” So they are the crowd that demands one cannot be saved apart from obedience to the law of Moses. They reject the heart of the gospel - the GOOD NEWS - and that being Romans 5: 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! 18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. One act of righteousness BY ONE MAN brought justification and life for all men. Through the obedience OF THE ONE MAN the many will be made righteous. The Jesus words only cult deny that and substitute themselves in his place. They preach your own justifications comes through you repenting and your obedience to the law of Moses. The actual good news is about JESUS’ OBEDIENCE AND ACT ACCOMPLISHED FOR US - OUR JUSTIFICATION AND OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR HE IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85101874 United States 01/13/2023 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peter, over whom Jesus gave His Apostles charge, DEFERRED to Paul, as their BELOVED and WISE brother. 2 PETER 3 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. |