An interesting take on the difference between Religion and Spirituality

Heh, two five star votes, but no comments....what gives?


I feel like I'm the back forty of GLP lately....

Some plants need a frame to hold them steady as they climb and keep them out of the gutter.

Here is another take that has stuck to me for a long time…

Religion is for those who are afraid to go to hell,
Spirituality is for those who’ve already been there.

-David Bowie.

"Religion is a crutch for the weak minded" - Jessie Ventura

Ahhh, that's a lovey way to put it....and I suppose you are right....I suppose.

I mean, I was born with a moral code intact within myself, so I've always known the difference between right and wrong, and I suppose there are others who weren't.

I'm also a 6D Wanderer, and that means I've been around the universal block, have already made all my big mistakes, have learned from them, and I just don't need a "coach" to tell me how to act, like religion does.

As my expanded self just told me, "To each their own, V"....and I do get that, but religion gives so little wiggle room for exploring within one's self. They're told what to believe, and with some of the religions, you'd best not stray from those beliefs....and a lot of those beliefs just serve to tie one down, and shut them up.

It's just kinda sad for me in this moment that others don't get to experience their own wisdom, along with the wisdom of religion....heh, but I guess if you don't have that wisdom to begin with, eh?

Everyone has to start somewhere....

All I know is, being a purely spiritual person, I'm very happy/relieved to have the Christ spirit within me. Christ has saved me many times over already, eh?

I most honestly don't think I'd be the person I am today if I didn't know that spirit....

....yup.

Great thread topic CG

Thank you. I was just really struck by the fairness of that assessment.

Serious question- what does a Kindalini rising feel like. Perhaps I have had one.



















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For me, it started at the base of my spine, and then rocketed up to the top of my brain, and then the energy just gently flowed. It feels like electricity going up one's spine. The trickling was a very comforting feeling, though.

During the last rising my heart was beating on the opposite side of my chest....yup, seriously. It's like I was a mirror image of myself. I was in such a state of bliss, I can't even tell you....heh, I'd like to feel that state of being again.

I kinda forgot about my first rising, it wasn't like my others. I felt the rising energy, and then right in my face - seen through my third eye - was the sex act. I saw up close a penis going in and out of a vagina - but that lasted only a brief moment, and then nothing....but of course, I was a bit freaked out by what I had just "seen", and I didn't know what a Kundalini rising was....

The other two I had weren't like that, though, and were only filled up with love.

Tell me what you experienced?

Perhaps it is not so black and white.

We learn a bit from others as well as learn through personal experiences.

Anything that helps us to become evolving humans having greater wisdom and benevolent maturity to make better choices is great, regardless if we call it religion or spiritual.

At the initial core of all religions and spiritual systems is pure love. It is human biases through misunderstanding, mistranslation, misinterpretation, exaggeration, embellishment, and ill intent that fractured the initial core teaching into the numerous varieties we have today. And sadly many had been harmed and killed because one group believed it has the better truth than all others.

Interesting that the quote you noted was said by a very old Rabbi, with emphasis on very old. It is our human nature to think that the older we are the wiser we get. What if our wisdom is already all within us, and the higher our consciousness the more access we have to that personal knowledge which is stored as multi-dimensional quantum energies in every DNA of each body.

In religions, that is the Kingdom of God within.

In spiritual systems, that is our Higher Self, the higher energy vibration of oneself.

Both refer to the soul that is a part of God/Creative Source/ Prime Creator. Souls are the multi-dimensional quantum energy bridge or interface between us purposely here at low vibration and God/Creative Source/Prime Creator in the highest vibration that is pure love, compassion, benevolence, and joy.

In pure love, there will always be unity, inclusion, and equality. Never division, exclusion, and hierarchy.

Therefore, we should be careful of any religious or spiritual teachings that put fear in us, belittle us, divide us, confuse us, or instill hierarchy or superiority in us.

There are commonalities between religion and spirituality, and so always good to celebrate that and be united rather than to focus on the differences that have the potential to divide us.

All the best!

I can tell you that experiencing spiritual ecstasy as a Christian is not anything like that. Nothing corporeal and so pleasurable and divine.

Wow! That was beautifully thought provoking. I'm going to read that again tomorrow, to completely digest it....heh, I'm in a mood right now, and just need a night's rest.

But I want you to know that I already know it's lovely, and I thank you very much for posting....




The comment about the Rabbi's age is more about the age they're saying he is, rather than his wisdom, which they also say he has. He's supposed to be over 300 years old. Yup, I did just type that....

I realize that's a tough pill to swallow, but I get no red flags or any kind of negative internal reaction about it. It kinda freaked me out a bit, while I was testing the veracity of it, but I'm now okay with the idea that someone could actually live that long in this day and age. It's said he looks like an older man, I think like in his 80's, but that you would say he looked like a very fit older man.

It's very interesting information I've been looking at the past few days or so, both reading and watching interviews with a man called Ray. A lot of it is about TLS, The Light System, and this Rabbi is supposed to be one of the leaders of that group.

They were responsible for removing a whole lot of children out of the tunnels, A LOT, and still to this day are doing that, plus more I gather. They've blown up some of the tunnels.

It's a mostly spiritual group that has been around for I think it's 5,000 years. They work for the Light. The information is something else, that's for sure, and it was so little that was said, was able to be said. Still, there are hours of interview....hours that you don't mind giving up, it's that interesting. But be warned, what he says about the children being rescued from the tunnels is brutal.

If anyone is interested, the interviews can be found here. They are the ones called "Disclosure". Parts 1-4 are with "Ray", and the 5th one is with someone called "The Black Widow"--

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However, she seems too lively, to bubbly, to be called The Black Widow....

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LOVE TO YOU GYPSY.. I LOVE IT.. THANKS FORL SHARING... MAGGIE


JUST MY LITTLE TAKE..RELIGION IS COPY PASTE MIND THE WAY I USE IT HERE.. SPIRITUALITY IS GROWING THE MIND ON PURPOSE. IT SEEKS.

Okay....but I gotta go see if you answered my question in Happy in Nature's thread....


But I've got a question a'brewing for you about the above....

Well, that level of bliss was a one time thing. That's why I say I'd love to be in it again, if even for only 10 minutes....lol, hours would be best, though. It was very healing for my consciousness, ya know?

Before I went to the other thread, I was thinking I was going to ask you if you feel like you missed out on something, but then I thought that was kind of rude...heh, I'm in a "fine tuning" process, and this is the first time I caught my little blunder all on my own. I'm learning, yay!....

It's rude, because it intimates that there's something wrong by not having the same experience like I did.

....there are not many people who have the experiences I do. It is sometimes a painful awareness for me.

I mean, I would LOVE for you, my Furrry Pete friend, to have an OBE into an originally created body like I did....because then you'd know.

I'd love for everyone to have that experience, because you know what?....that would be perfectly, nearly effortlessly, the unifying force that would drive us as one force of will to rise above all of this muck and mire and control and suppression and GACK!

But all I can do is share what that was like. I'm convinced if we all knew what it was like, we would then become unified as peaceful warriors to return to the walk towards our liberation - instead of always gawking at this shit show we're in - to get back to that state of being where "All is One".

I am telling you, in all ways, we were incredibly magnificent as we were created! If only you knew, lawdy. I wish so much you all knew.

Jeebus youse guyses, but it's worth it to set aside our petty differences, so we can get on the same page to get ourselves out of this mess....yikes, but I'm dipping from another thread, on this thread. Pete knows what I'm talking about, though.

Religion is Accepting Authority, Spirituality is Freedom of Choice
Religion is Obedience, Spirituality is Questioning
Religion is Blind Faith, Spirituality is Rationalism
Religion is for Close Minded, Spirituality is for Open Minded
Religion is Organized Belief, Spirituality is Logical Conclusions
Religions follow Designated Gods, Spirituality need not
Religion has strict codes, Spirituality has self made codes
Religion Forces people, Spirituality is self Discipline
Religion has Group Identity, Spirituality is Individuality
Religion suits all, Spirituality suits only Evolved
Religion is Single System, Spirituality Multi System derived
Religious people are Spiritual, Spiritual people need not be Religious
Religion is Religion, Spirituality is beyond all Religions
Religions may create Divisions, Spirituality is for one and all
Not all religions accept other religions, Spirituality embraces all
By birth one takes up a Religion; By birth you don't take up Spirituality
Destination is same, Approaches are different, Choice is yours... -- gachchy

WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?....

I joke, as you know....

Yes, as much as I'm a Wanderer, I'm a Seeker....still to this very day I seek out all of my personal truth, and greater truths, if I can get them. It's been my driving force since waking up 30 years ago....heh, I'm so proud of my time in, sister....

I'm always growing....heh, but that's the ongoing, step after step forward path walk of a spiritually evolving life, no matter a religion is involved or not. We move forward, despite adversity. It's the common goal of anyone wanting freedom, getting through each next step....lol, and hopefully not being too much of an asshole along the way.

But something I've always known....we all end up in the same place, no matter what path we took while getting there, eh?

Why are we always bickering and gawking? I don't get it, ya know?....

It f'n BAFFLES me the way we're being right now. Things are changing, but it's all very complicated....because we are just not unified.

And there are people sitting in positions of power, the power to put an end to this shit show, but they don't think Humanity is ready for it yet.

I'm tellin' ya straight up, sister....I am getting sick and tired of reading and hearing that excuse, and I don't believe it. Neither do a lot of others who have heard that....it was something Ray said in I think the first interview.

He wanted TLS to give him a team of so many TLS members, and he said he could have all the "psychopaths" (his word choice) taken out in 30 days....30 DAYS!!!

TLS would not give him a team, and rejected his many proposals....why?....because we're not ready yet.



.....oh yes we are ready!!!

The website was flooded with emails from people saying we're ready, his yt pages with the vid on it, people we saying we are ready.

Who of anyone here is not ready?....anyone?....

Great post! It should start off "Truth be told"!

What your “rabbi” neglects to tell you is that there is the spirit of God and the spirit of this world.

Take a guess at which one he want you to pursue as he gurus you to “go within”?

RELIGION=RESTRICTION

Religion is even moreso a replacement for imagination than a replacement for intelligence -- imagination being the constructive, positive kind, not the "Lala Land" thing. It's the need to be spoon-fed and belong to a group.

The spirit of your God ie the God of this world and the God of matter? Yes he is spirited but thinks more scientifically.

The spirit of this world is called Gaia my friend!

I'll add to this..

-Religion teaches to spread fear, hate and keep people in a state of guilt and by damming them if they do not accept they're doctrine.

-Spirituality teaches that ones belief or lack thereof and path is to be respected.


-Religion is the manipulation of humanity.

-Spirituality is in the form of a way of life.

religion is simply the ceremonies performed to worship the divine, which can be anything, prayer, baptism, meditation, reiki, cremation, being in nature, going to church, etcetc

spirituality is the science of why doing those things brings us good karma, healing and evolution, starting with the scale of human consciousness and muscle testing ala Power Vs Force by Dr David R Hawkins and biofeedback ala Dr Dan Winter

all religion is based around spirituality, no spirituality is based around religion

people who value religious beliefs above spiritual facts are children who are relying on others to tell them what is the truth which is exactly the result of denying and failing to use inner personal discernment as proven possible by the above mentioned scientific work

and that is exactly what the lamestream satanic cult legal system wants its slaves to do, let someone else tell them what is real and how to best live life

those who fail to go within, go without

religion is the without, spirituality is the within

Organized mindfuck compared to your own journey into the mindfuck

He's not my Rabbi. I've heard that he isn't about religion, though. You'd have to watch the videos to get more info about the Rabbi.

But I belong to no religion, although I do adore and try to live up the Cathar's prophecy. There's at least two of us on GLP who were Cathars, me and another woman--


The Church of Love
 

It has no fabric – only understanding.

It has no membership – save those who know they belong.

It has no rivals – because it is non-competitive.

It has no ambition, because it only seeks to serve.

It knows of no boundaries for nationalisms are unloving.

It is not of itself because it seeks to enrich all groups and religions.

It acknowledges all great teachers of all the ages who have shown the truth of Love.

Those who participate, practise the Truth of Love in all their daily being.

There is no walk of life or nationality that is a barrier.

Those who are, know. It seeks not to teach but to be, and by being, enrich.

It recognises the collectivity of all humanity and that we are all one with the One.

It recognises that the way we are may be the way of those around us because we are that way.

It recognises the whole planet as a Being, of which we are a part.

It recognises that the time has come for the supreme transmutation, the ultimate alchemical act, the conscious change of the ego into a voluntary return to the whole.

It does not proclaim itself with a loud voice but in the subtle realms of loving.

It salutes all those in the past who have blazoned the path but paid the price.

It admits of no hierarchy or structure, for no one is greater than another.

Its members shall know each other by their deeds and being and their eyes and by no other outward sign, save the fraternal embrace.

Each one will dedicate his or her life to the silent loving of their neighbour and environment and the planet, whilst carrying out their daily task, however exalted or humble.

It recognises the supremacy of the great idea which may only be accomplished if the human race practices the supremacy of Love.

It has no rewards to offer, either here or in the hereafter, save that of the ineffable joy of being and loving.

Its members shall seek only to advance the cause of understanding, within whichever church, group or family they happen to be.

They shall do good by stealth and teach only by example.

They shall heal their neighbour, their community and our Planet.

They shall know no fear, and feel no shame and their witness shall prevail over all odds.

It has no secrets, no arcanum, no initiations save that of the true understanding of the power of love and that, if we want it to be so, the world will change but only if we change ourselves first.

ALL THOSE WHO BELONG, BELONG, THAT IS THE CHURCH OF LOVE.

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Beautiful, huh? Hard to live up to in this day and age, but I do attempt to....

Every once in awhile I get accused of being a hippy....heh, I was only 11 in 1969. That happened yesterday, and the accusation came with a lot of snark.

Anyone want to accuse me of being a feckless hippy, go right ahead....it's your problem you think that, not mine.

In fact, if you don't like what I have to say, or how I say it, then that's for you to figure out, not me.

I am happy with my person, and that's all I need to know....

And anyway, love is everything that heals and cures what ails our hearts and spirits, eh?

When one talks about love from only their mind, talking about anything from only the mind, they are missing the mark....lol, and they can get snarky.

I'm tellin' youse guyses, love was an intricate and integral part of our being as we were created. It was blended into the very fiber of our beings as we were created.

Some of us have forgotten about the power of Love. Please remember.







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Nice thread CG.

There does seem to be an unbridgeable gap between the adherents of religion and those of us of a spiritual nature, but it's an illusory difference. We are all barking up the same tree at the end of the day.

The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” 9“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.…


Berean Standard Bible. John 3.8