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| cosmicgypsy
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 80037766  United States01/14/2023 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | About a half hour into the attack scene I had to stop the movie and google to see if the movie was depicting the truth, or if it was exaggerated. Gladly I read that it was highly fictionalized....  Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't horrible, but wow, whoever made this movie really threw down heavy with the many battle scenes. But as old as GLP is, I'm wondering if anyone remembers anyone posting about being there....anyone? Old Timer might remember it happening. I'm thinking he would've been a teenager. But it really was a big block buster LOOSH producing movie. I mean, I was getting all tore up, until I went a'googling....but still, awful. But the greatest take away from watching it?....we never learn, do we? Wars solve nothing, and they only serve to feed the "beast". If they did offer a permanent solution, there wouldn't be one going on right now, actually two....we have both physical and spiritual wars happening as I type. Hella movie, though I read it kinda flopped. Quite the roller coaster ride, for sure. I had to rein myself in, lol. Heh, they're always going for our loosh....  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78016292 United States01/14/2023 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to deliver a crate to the home of a local Pearl Harbor vet here. Dr. Charles Merdinger, at the time commanding the 16" guns of the USS Nevada. Sat in hos living room and he told me his experience. I will not bother in detail as he relates the exact story to Charlie Rose, easily found on YT. Take away. No time for anyone to be a hero, react or even think. The Nevada was hit broadside by 4 torpedoes and capsized attempting to beach. He was trapped inside for the duration. When he emerged he said the world was on fire and the very first thing that struck him was how well the Japanese performed their mission. |
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| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to deliver a crate to the home of a local Pearl Harbor vet here. Dr. Charles Merdinger, at the time commanding the 16" guns of the USS Nevada. Sat in hos living room and he told me his experience. I will not bother in detail as he relates the exact story to Charlie Rose, easily found on YT. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78016292 Take away. No time for anyone to be a hero, react or even think. The Nevada was hit broadside by 4 torpedoes and capsized attempting to beach. He was trapped inside for the duration. When he emerged he said the world was on fire and the very first thing that struck him was how well the Japanese performed their mission. Thank you for posting this. I'll look for the video....  It was the epitome of a sneak attack....but so was 9/11. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 82725598  Netherlands01/14/2023 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to deliver a crate to the home of a local Pearl Harbor vet here. Dr. Charles Merdinger, at the time commanding the 16" guns of the USS Nevada. Sat in hos living room and he told me his experience. I will not bother in detail as he relates the exact story to Charlie Rose, easily found on YT. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78016292 Take away. No time for anyone to be a hero, react or even think. The Nevada was hit broadside by 4 torpedoes and capsized attempting to beach. He was trapped inside for the duration. When he emerged he said the world was on fire and the very first thing that struck him was how well the Japanese performed their mission. Thank you for posting this. I'll look for the video.... It was the epitome of a sneak attack....but so was 9/11. 9/11 was orchestrated by neocons to allow for massive military buildup and permanent us presence in the Middle East. Pearl Harbor was orchestrated by protoneocons to facilitate US entry into a European conflict. Both were done to destroy Christianity and allow satanists to take over which they have done. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17633577 United States01/14/2023 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my day the movie was "Tora Tora Tora!" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85084089 There's no way in hell the Japanese fleet can sail undetected across the ocean though. The US knew they were coming and let it happen. That's a conspiracy theory. There were no satellites then, no GPS. What were we going to do, scan the entire Pacific Ocean with radar looking for vessels? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85110176  France01/14/2023 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to deliver a crate to the home of a local Pearl Harbor vet here. Dr. Charles Merdinger, at the time commanding the 16" guns of the USS Nevada. Sat in hos living room and he told me his experience. I will not bother in detail as he relates the exact story to Charlie Rose, easily found on YT. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78016292 Take away. No time for anyone to be a hero, react or even think. The Nevada was hit broadside by 4 torpedoes and capsized attempting to beach. He was trapped inside for the duration. When he emerged he said the world was on fire and the very first thing that struck him was how well the Japanese performed their mission. Thank you for posting this. I'll look for the video.... It was the epitome of a sneak attack....but so was 9/11. not a sneak attack at all a human sacrifice to force america into war for the banques |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85110176 France01/14/2023 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my day the movie was "Tora Tora Tora!" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85084089 There's no way in hell the Japanese fleet can sail undetected across the ocean though. The US knew they were coming and let it happen. That's a conspiracy theory. There were no satellites then, no GPS. What were we going to do, scan the entire Pacific Ocean with radar looking for vessels? if you get the vip tour of your naval university right outside the king hall dining area is a small intermediate display museum filled with various crap including hawaiian broadsheets discussing the upcoming attack |
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| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I searched for the interview. A search of the Charlie Rose channel said no matching content....oh, but I found this interview. Four shorter interviews. Wow, what a man and a life, a Rhodes Scholar AND a survivor of Pearl Harbor....  I just heard that he's 92 years old. He's really sharp for that age. Remarkable. I've only just started the first one, but I'm going to post all four of them. I think I'm going to find he's lived a fascinating life-- [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see the ACs have come out in force....  Play nice youse guyses....  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just got finished with part two.....omg, OF COURSE he was a Boy Scout and of course he was a bugler and of course he'd been a Scout Master in four different countries....lol, and he can read Morse Code!.....  This man is a KEEPER!....  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79316164 United States01/14/2023 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was unfortunate enough to see this movie in the theater. 1 1/2 hours of a love triangle before the attack. The Pearl Harbor part was good and the Dolittle raid was fine, but love story build up was not what I was expecting from the trailers. I was very disappointed. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84093909 United States01/14/2023 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | About a half hour into the attack scene I had to stop the movie and google to see if the movie was depicting the truth, or if it was exaggerated. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Gladly I read that it was highly fictionalized.... Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't horrible, but wow, whoever made this movie really threw down heavy with the many battle scenes. But as old as GLP is, I'm wondering if anyone remembers anyone posting about being there....anyone? Old Timer might remember it happening. I'm thinking he would've been a teenager. But it really was a big block buster LOOSH producing movie. I mean, I was getting all tore up, until I went a'googling....but still, awful. But the greatest take away from watching it?....we never learn, do we? Wars solve nothing, and they only serve to feed the "beast". If they did offer a permanent solution, there wouldn't be one going on right now, actually two....we have both physical and spiritual wars happening as I type. Hella movie, though I read it kinda flopped. Quite the roller coaster ride, for sure. I had to rein myself in, lol. Heh, they're always going for our loosh.... Was that with George Clooney?  |
| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was unfortunate enough to see this movie in the theater. 1 1/2 hours of a love triangle before the attack. The Pearl Harbor part was good and the Dolittle raid was fine, but love story build up was not what I was expecting from the trailers. I was very disappointed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79316164 Oh, I won't be watching it again. I barely made it through this time.....  Heh, I was going to explain something about something - some "woowoo" stuff - and figured this just wasn't the right thread for it....  I will say my fine tuning process is going well, though....  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Insignificant Soot
User ID: 84955970 United States01/14/2023 08:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my day the movie was "Tora Tora Tora!" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85084089 There's no way in hell the Japanese fleet can sail undetected across the ocean though. The US knew they were coming and let it happen. That's a conspiracy theory. There were no satellites then, no GPS. What were we going to do, scan the entire Pacific Ocean with radar looking for vessels? That’s a conspiracy theory? You do know what site you’re on, correct? And no, it’s not a “conspiracy” theory. I heard many, many years ago that a radar operator somewhere that got wind of what was happening, but was told to say nothing. Quite possible. Very feasible. Last Edited by Insignificant Soot on 01/14/2023 08:11 PM GLP "Karma" is irrelevant. Ignore it and speak openly! Gimmie the RED, if you must. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81029516 United States01/14/2023 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | About a half hour into the attack scene I had to stop the movie and google to see if the movie was depicting the truth, or if it was exaggerated. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Gladly I read that it was highly fictionalized.... Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't horrible, but wow, whoever made this movie really threw down heavy with the many battle scenes. But as old as GLP is, I'm wondering if anyone remembers anyone posting about being there....anyone? Old Timer might remember it happening. I'm thinking he would've been a teenager. But it really was a big block buster LOOSH producing movie. I mean, I was getting all tore up, until I went a'googling....but still, awful. But the greatest take away from watching it?....we never learn, do we? Wars solve nothing, and they only serve to feed the "beast". If they did offer a permanent solution, there wouldn't be one going on right now, actually two....we have both physical and spiritual wars happening as I type. Hella movie, though I read it kinda flopped. Quite the roller coaster ride, for sure. I had to rein myself in, lol. Heh, they're always going for our loosh.... Did it make you blue? |
| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | About a half hour into the attack scene I had to stop the movie and google to see if the movie was depicting the truth, or if it was exaggerated. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Gladly I read that it was highly fictionalized.... Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't horrible, but wow, whoever made this movie really threw down heavy with the many battle scenes. But as old as GLP is, I'm wondering if anyone remembers anyone posting about being there....anyone? Old Timer might remember it happening. I'm thinking he would've been a teenager. But it really was a big block buster LOOSH producing movie. I mean, I was getting all tore up, until I went a'googling....but still, awful. But the greatest take away from watching it?....we never learn, do we? Wars solve nothing, and they only serve to feed the "beast". If they did offer a permanent solution, there wouldn't be one going on right now, actually two....we have both physical and spiritual wars happening as I type. Hella movie, though I read it kinda flopped. Quite the roller coaster ride, for sure. I had to rein myself in, lol. Heh, they're always going for our loosh.... Was that with George Clooney? Nooooo....heh, that was funny trying to place him in the movie. He no fit right.... Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett are the listed stars. There are others....  You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| cosmicgypsy
(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States01/14/2023 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | About a half hour into the attack scene I had to stop the movie and google to see if the movie was depicting the truth, or if it was exaggerated. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Gladly I read that it was highly fictionalized.... Of course that doesn't mean it wasn't horrible, but wow, whoever made this movie really threw down heavy with the many battle scenes. But as old as GLP is, I'm wondering if anyone remembers anyone posting about being there....anyone? Old Timer might remember it happening. I'm thinking he would've been a teenager. But it really was a big block buster LOOSH producing movie. I mean, I was getting all tore up, until I went a'googling....but still, awful. But the greatest take away from watching it?....we never learn, do we? Wars solve nothing, and they only serve to feed the "beast". If they did offer a permanent solution, there wouldn't be one going on right now, actually two....we have both physical and spiritual wars happening as I type. Hella movie, though I read it kinda flopped. Quite the roller coaster ride, for sure. I had to rein myself in, lol. Heh, they're always going for our loosh.... Did it make you blue? Honestly, it had me emotional. Seeing war happening is unpleasant, eh? All those dead bodies floating may have been actors, but they were acting out deaths that occurred that day. The attack killed 2,403 U.S. personnel, including 68 civilians, and destroyed or damaged 19 U.S. Navy ships, including 8 battleships. [link to www.census.gov (secure)] I've had past life memories of sword fighting in the Celt war....it was f'n bloody, and disgusting. I never liked those memories, and they were thankfully only fleeting. Heh, those memories are not something that can be unseen though. I do not like war. It is purely destructive. There is no good end to war. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81637082 United States01/14/2023 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saw it when it came out. I thought it was goofy as all hell. Seemed to try too hard to jam in Chick Flick appeals and contemporaneous wokisms into an action war movie. Sprinkle with typical Hollyweird historical inaccuracies and you have that steaming pile of cinematic crap. No. The Japanese did NOT start withdrawing after the Doolittle Raid. No. FDR never made some grand show of his physical impairments to make some point. Anyone seriously think they’d have someone who can barely verbally communicate as a fighter pilot back then? (Now, sure. He could even be president.) Fact is, the USA was on a collision course with Imperial Japan, was already attacking German U-Boats, sending “volunteers” and weapons to Kuomintang China, etc., etc., etc. All of which provokes a sense of deja vu. Then there was the USS Panay incident in 1937. There’s the first clue. No one should ever have been surprised. |
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