Rapture - Iron sharpens Iron - Poll

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IGNORAMUS,


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YOU,

ALSABIADES,

WHY DO YOU THIN YOU ARE SMART?

YOU ARE IGNORANT.

there is no rapture it was mentioned in the Bible, and here are the quotes

Luke 1:67 Then his father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:
... saying, And Zechariah his father was filled with the Holy Spirit, and spoke in a rapture of praise. His father, Zacharias, was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied ...
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Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and declared, "I praise You, Father, ...
... good in thy sight. On that same occasion Jesus was filled by the Holy Spirit with rapturous joy. "I give Thee fervent thanks," He exclaimed, "O Father, ...
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Song of Solomon 2:3 Like an apricot tree among the trees of the forest is my beloved among the young men. ...
... of the wood, So is my beloved among the sons: In his shadow have I rapture and sit down; And his fruit is sweet to my taste. As the apple tree ...
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don't know where anyone got a Rapture will take place

imaginations can become collective

what we all need is a resurrection while still alive

In your opinion.

I believe we need to be rooted in Christ to survive.


Here is the other parable told along with the seed parable. They are definitely about the end times.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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"“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."


The majority is ALWAYS wrong.

Take heed!

If the fatties are to be raptured, then the Almighty power of Christ is able to lift their morbidly obese bodies right off of the planet and change them in an instant to a body like unto the Lord's.

Morbidly obese is no obstruction to an Almighty God.
His strength is greater than 10 men!


BTW - IF they are to be lifted and changed. it will occur immediately before God's Wrath and AFTER the Great Tribulation/Tribulation. AFTER ... exactly as Jesus said on the Mount of Olives.

Very false statement ! These prove you wrong and there are others as well.

The statement by Pseudo-Ephraem, This rapture statement is as follows:
Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? . . . For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.
This sermon was written between A.D. 374–627, well before the nineteenth century.

A Christian writing called the, “Shepherd of Hermas”, written in 110 A.D., taught a Pretribulational Rapture.

Ephraem the Syrian in 373 A.D., who was a major Theologian of the early Byzantine Eastern Church, wrote that the Bible taught a PreTribulational Rapture.

Dr John Gill, himself in 1748, in his Commentary on I Thessalonians 4:1, called the catching away the RAPTURE.

11. Peter Jerieu around 1687, taught a Rapture, with Christ going back to Heaven, before the second coming. (The Rapture Revelation, page 44, by Perry Stone).

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Hello rapture deniers

Can you translate the pseudo Ephraim text yourself? I have seen others contradict these translations that show the rapture is not before the tribulation.

Note above where it says all saints and elect are gathered before the tribulation. This statement is false or is a translation error. The elect as pointed out in Matthew are NOT gathered before the tribulation.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And this definitely happens after the tribulation.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:



So is Ephraim false or is it a translation error because the elect are NOT gathered before the tribulation?

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Um no, iron does not sharpen iron. Would you carve an oak figurine with a piece of oak? Um no. To sharpen iron you need something of a greater hardness like ceramic, diamond grit,or aluminum oxide.

It is a Bible quote.

Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Really surprised to see the results of this poll almost half on this forum voting pre-trib while less than 10% coming in for pre wrath or pre trib.

This really surprises me because of all the pretribulation hate on this site, you would think that pretribulation would be a very small minority- but this just goes to show, just like the leftist agenda it is usually a VERY VOCAL MINORITY that stirs things up for the rest. Congrats haters, you have all outed yourselves in this poll.

No I can’t translate it myself can you ?

Matt 24 is speaking of the gathering of the elect who trusted Christ during the tribulation. You do understand there will be souls saved during the tribulation don’t you ?

No, I can't translate it either. I have to rely on others and different people translate it both ways. Before trib and after trib. It is all in the translation and is not proof.

The point behind the elect is Ephraim says they are saved before trib but Matthew says the elect are saved after the trib. I will stick with the gospels.

Of course there are people saved during the trib. That is the Pre-Wrath view. The resurrection is after the tribulation.

You evidently didn’t read what I said or you are avoiding the main point which is this :

Matt 24 is speaking of the gathering of the elect who trusted Christ during the tribulation. You do understand there will be souls saved during the tribulation don’t you ?

But forget Ephraim there are so many others that were well before Darby’s time who believed in the rapture.

Who do you think the elect are? Do you think they only come to Christ during the tribulation?

1 Corinthians 15:52. At the LAST trump. Ain’t none of us checking out before then. No pretrib. This false doctrine was created by Darby. You’re welcome.

There will be elect souls who come to Christ during the tribulation, in other words tribulation saints.

They ( tribulation saints ) are a very small part of the total elect , the elect who come to Christ prior to the tribulation will be the caught up or raptured ones.

The rapture was taught centuries before Darby by many men . You are welcome.

What ever you wanna call it, its on the last day, when all scripture has been fulfilled. After those days the sun shall not give off its light and the moon darkened and then shall be the sign of the coming of the sun of man.

Pretty sure the tribulation happens as part of the fulfilment of the scriptures. And yes if those days werent shortened all flesh would be lost. But unequivocally indicated through scripture on the final day.
Its not my words its when Jesus said he would return.

That in no way discredits the rapture being pre-tribulation.

The LAST TRUMP is the voice of God, and NOT the 7th trumpet of the Book of Revelation.

The Book of Revelation wasn't even written when Paul preached the last trump.

Surely they were searching, proving, and understanding Paul's teachings about the last trump with the scriptures that they already had at the time which didn't include the Book of Revelation.

As you mentioned, "flesh".

Days are shortened before the 2nd coming to save flesh and blood, not to give them glorified/resurrected bodies.

As for the "last day":

The coming 1000 year reign of Christ, the millennium, has a "last day".

Daniel's 70th week and the Great Tribulation has a "last day".

The Age of Grace (the Church Age) also has a "last day".

The last day Jesus spoke of, was after all scripture had been fulfilled including tribulation. Then and only then will He return.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus in His own words.

The last day is NOT a 24 hour day like you and I refer to a day as being 24 hrs long . Last day is a period of time that includes the rapture , the tribulation .

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Trigger warning. You haven’t seen anything.

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the rapture is a Jesuit deceit, and leads back to rome, in more ways than one

What is amazing is the immense and intense selfishness manifest in pretrib rapturism in particular.

And the utter willfil refusal to see the many scripture verses that utterly deny the multiple lies that make up pretrib deception.

It means this


Romans 1: 21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, - Bible Offline

2 Thessalonians 2: 7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. - Bible Offline

I do not hate my deceived brother and sisters. I grieve for them.