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Father and Son Kill Neighbor Over a Mattress (VIDEO) Trial Begins Today

 
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The way the guy in orange was carrying on, there was something much more to this story, he was REALLY pissed over something, really bad. Maybe there was evidence on the mattress and he was trying to get it?

I BET there were CHILDREN involved, just a hunch.

They were fighting over something and it wasn't a rotten mattress in an ally.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


If there was evidence on the mattress why would they put it in an alley for the whole world to see?
Idk about you but in my personal experience people can get real upset and do irrational stuff when emotions get high.
Eg. the people getting killed at fast food joints for ‘cold fries’
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


Perhaps the guy in orange discovered there was likely evidence on it after he threw it away?

Those two look like child molesters if there is a such thing as someone that looks like a pervert, and there are a hell of lot of them in Texas
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They were fighting about it being an eyesore I guess
“The neighbors had been arguing about the trash in the alleyway for days before the fatal shooting, police said. The day of Howard's death, John Miller had gone to throw the garbage out before the situation escalated.”

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 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


Jesus, one would hope there has to be another reason.

Pretty soon people will be killing other people because they don't look right
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:hick:

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Lol.. tard
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Word, I would never film my husband arguing with men like that and two guns? SUch a sad scenario, the argument went on a little too long. The wife’s job is to calm the husband not to film and agitate the situation. This so horrible.
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
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The way the guy in orange was carrying on, there was something much more to this story, he was REALLY pissed over something, really bad. Maybe there was evidence on the mattress and he was trying to get it?

I BET there were CHILDREN involved, just a hunch.

They were fighting over something and it wasn't a rotten mattress in an ally.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


If there was evidence on the mattress why would they put it in an alley for the whole world to see?
Idk about you but in my personal experience people can get real upset and do irrational stuff when emotions get high.
Eg. the people getting killed at fast food joints for ‘cold fries’
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


That's where orange shirt was. He was so mad that he dared no shirts to shoot him. Irrational rage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


That's what made me think of messing with kids. That guy was hot over something, something as bad and murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


Ok, but it was orange shirts mattress. Your trying to connect dots that just ain’t there
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Justified shooting

Guy in orange shirt was completely insane and threatening. He did not defuse the situation only escalated it and got what he deserved.
 Quoting: WhiskeyBunker


The murder could have been premeditated
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760



I remember this video, dude in the Orange asked for it for swinging on the pork belly. Self defense.
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No shirts were guilty the moment the walked outside with guns. Little no shirt even went inside to get his.
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If there was evidence on the mattress why would they put it in an alley for the whole world to see?
Idk about you but in my personal experience people can get real upset and do irrational stuff when emotions get high.
Eg. the people getting killed at fast food joints for ‘cold fries’
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


Perhaps the guy in orange discovered there was likely evidence on it after he threw it away?

Those two look like child molesters if there is a such thing as someone that looks like a pervert, and there are a hell of lot of them in Texas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


They were fighting about it being an eyesore I guess
“The neighbors had been arguing about the trash in the alleyway for days before the fatal shooting, police said. The day of Howard's death, John Miller had gone to throw the garbage out before the situation escalated.”

[link to www.foxnews.com (secure)]
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


Jesus, one would hope there has to be another reason.

Pretty soon people will be killing other people because they don't look right
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


Hate to break it to you but senseless murders happen everyday and have been since the first murder. Idk what world you’re living in. It sucks but that’s the truth
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


Dumb ass in orange fucked around and found out.

Right before his dumb ass got shot he asked for a gun. Insane. I think he was on drugs and not thinking right.
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both sides seem like trash

the deliverance pup needs to go to jail just to make sure it can’t reproduce
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Look at that body shape.
What is that, "inbred chomo" or what?

At least the guy in orange LOOKED normal (somewhat)


cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171



orange guy did look normal but he was risking holy hell screaming at a couple of milksops with guns, he was either drunk or he lets his testosterone get the better of him, he should have just filmed them with guns and gone inside and called the cops

and why did the milksops come out without shirts? do they think they look more badass all pale and pasty? and the big one has boobs, lol
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If there was evidence on the mattress why would they put it in an alley for the whole world to see?
Idk about you but in my personal experience people can get real upset and do irrational stuff when emotions get high.
Eg. the people getting killed at fast food joints for ‘cold fries’
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


That's where orange shirt was. He was so mad that he dared no shirts to shoot him. Irrational rage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


That's what made me think of messing with kids. That guy was hot over something, something as bad and murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


Ok, but it was orange shirts mattress. Your trying to connect dots that just ain’t there
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


Well, I don't know who mattress it was, or whose house it was in originally, but it just seemed to me the confrontation could not have been over a discarded mattress by itself.
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760



I remember this video, dude in the Orange asked for it for swinging on the pork belly. Self defense.
 Quoting: BLKOUTDRV 77205759


Orange shirt didn't swing. He just walked up to daddy no shirt and got shot.
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No shirts were guilty the moment the walked outside with guns. Little no shirt even went inside to get his.
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Yes, it indicates premeditation, intent.
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Orange shirt threw the mattress in the dumpster. The 2 no shirts threw it into orange shirt's yard. Orange shirt put it back in the dumpster, unarmed. No shirts came out with guns and confronted orange shirt. You know the rest.

No shirts claimed orange shirt had a history of intimidating them. But it doesn't really matter. No shirts brought guns out of their house to confront orange shirt. Their self-defense claim is null and void. They will go up for murder.

BTW, no shirts are father and son.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


That's exactly what happened.

The two buffoons threw the mattress into his yard and then murdered him.
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


Dumb ass in orange fucked around and found out.

Right before his dumb ass got shot he asked for a gun. Insane. I think he was on drugs and not thinking right.
 Quoting: WhiskeyBunker


His anger had gotten out of control. Whatever he said didn't warrant being shot.
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That's where orange shirt was. He was so mad that he dared no shirts to shoot him. Irrational rage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


That's what made me think of messing with kids. That guy was hot over something, something as bad and murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


Ok, but it was orange shirts mattress. Your trying to connect dots that just ain’t there
 Quoting: HellbentHeavenBound


Well, I don't know who mattress it was, or whose house it was in originally, but it just seemed to me the confrontation could not have been over a discarded mattress by itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


Yeah. It was probably a whole lot leading up to this. People will kill you over “the principle”
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No shirts were guilty the moment the walked outside with guns. Little no shirt even went inside to get his.
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Yes, it indicates premeditation, intent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


It COULD indicate that, but I doubt the prosecution could prove it. It's still 2nd degree murder though, at a minimum.
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She thought she was actually doing something when she said "You are not going to shoot my husband". And he was dead about one minute later.

It reminds me of that snow shoveling video. Remember? The people didn't take the neighbor seriously when he arrived with a gun. They kept arguing with him.

What is it with people these days thinking their words have so much power? Does she think she has Jedi mind control or something?

Bringing words to a gun fight...
 Quoting: Eilonwy


I know- why wasn't she pleading with him to leave, pulling on his arm? They all seem like stupid trash people.
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Fat redneck fucks walking around without shirts on..

Dead give-a-way

I know the type
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


So they had three against two no shirts. And let's not forget The Rittenhouse Precedent. No shirts walk. The reason why it took so long to go to trial is the DA knew he had a turd of a case and tried to get no shirts to plea to a lesser crime, but the dynamic duo told DA to stuff it so finally it's going to trial. The DA's panicking like a Frenchman in a thunderstorm.
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


So they had three against two no shirts. And let's not forget The Rittenhouse Precedent. No shirts walk. The reason why it took so long to go to trial is the DA knew he had a turd of a case and tried to get no shirts to plea to a lesser crime, but the dynamic duo told DA to stuff it so finally it's going to trial. The DA's panicking like a Frenchman in a thunderstorm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


If it goes to a jury they are going to convict them of murder and makes sure they aren't out on the streets. NO ONE wants these two loose
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So who left the mattress there, who didn't like it, and why.
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SHE HAS MOVED ON THE VERY NEXT MONTH AFTER FIGURING OUT FINANCES, LIFE INSURANCES ETC.

NEW BOYFRIEND KEEPING HER HAPPY AND OUT OF PTSD

THANKS TO TIKTOK AS WELL

JUSTICE SERVED OR NOT SHE DOESNT GIVE A DAMN ANYMORE

BECAUSE AT THE THE END OF THE DAY

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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


So they had three against two no shirts. And let's not forget The Rittenhouse Precedent. No shirts walk. The reason why it took so long to go to trial is the DA knew he had a turd of a case and tried to get no shirts to plea to a lesser crime, but the dynamic duo told DA to stuff it so finally it's going to trial. The DA's panicking like a Frenchman in a thunderstorm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


Rittenhouse shot three armed (you know whos) who were trying to kill him.
Nope, not the same thing at all/
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No shirts were guilty the moment the walked outside with guns. Little no shirt even went inside to get his.
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Yes, it indicates premeditation, intent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


It COULD indicate that, but I doubt the prosecution could prove it. It's still 2nd degree murder though, at a minimum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


As far as orange shirt goes, it doesn’t really matter. He’s still dead. That’s the takeaway. Don’t get yourself killed over stupid shit.
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


Dumb ass in orange fucked around and found out.

Right before his dumb ass got shot he asked for a gun. Insane. I think he was on drugs and not thinking right.
 Quoting: WhiskeyBunker


Orange shirt was definitely on something. At least once the dynamic duo ventilated mad dog they didn't have to carry him too far to toss him in the dumpster.
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Dead guy attacked with a baseball bat.

Obviously self defense. They even warned him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84106760


Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


So they had three against two no shirts. And let's not forget The Rittenhouse Precedent. No shirts walk. The reason why it took so long to go to trial is the DA knew he had a turd of a case and tried to get no shirts to plea to a lesser crime, but the dynamic duo told DA to stuff it so finally it's going to trial. The DA's panicking like a Frenchman in a thunderstorm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


Maybe you missed the part where they came outside with guns to confront orange shirt. That negates their self defense claim.
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So who left the mattress there, who didn't like it, and why.
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From what I have been able to assertian, the guy in the orange threw it out and the two weird looking inbred fuckers threw it in his yard.

The guy in orange was pissed off at them for throwing it in his yard, he was carrying it back to the dumpster when those two fat chomos shot him
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Pretty much. Mad dog was literally asking for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


So they had three against two no shirts. And let's not forget The Rittenhouse Precedent. No shirts walk. The reason why it took so long to go to trial is the DA knew he had a turd of a case and tried to get no shirts to plea to a lesser crime, but the dynamic duo told DA to stuff it so finally it's going to trial. The DA's panicking like a Frenchman in a thunderstorm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


If it goes to a jury they are going to convict them of murder and makes sure they aren't out on the streets. NO ONE wants these two loose
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In Texas?? Put down the crack pipe, junior.
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No, he did not. His brother brought the baseball bat outside and was several feet behind orange shirt when he was shot. Orange shirt was completely unarmed. No shirts are going to prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78681264


So they had three against two no shirts. And let's not forget The Rittenhouse Precedent. No shirts walk. The reason why it took so long to go to trial is the DA knew he had a turd of a case and tried to get no shirts to plea to a lesser crime, but the dynamic duo told DA to stuff it so finally it's going to trial. The DA's panicking like a Frenchman in a thunderstorm.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


If it goes to a jury they are going to convict them of murder and makes sure they aren't out on the streets. NO ONE wants these two loose
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72696171


In Texas?? Put down the crack pipe, junior.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31596103


I'm in Texas and would convict on murder 1, even though no one in that video would be a loss to the world.





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