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Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere

 
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One thing is is crucial to understand is that not only is religious dogma NOT natural law, it is a man made perversion of it.


Religion can and has been used to motivate people to do obviously extremely morally "wrong" things, and claimed it pleased "god".


Religion must NEVER be used to determine what we consider to be right or wrong.
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Societal morals have been very relative. But I think the 10 Commandmewnts are just the most common sense for society not to go the liberal way of Sodom and Gommorah.
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Several of the "ten Commandments" are nonsense and serve no purpose in deciding right and wrong. For instance not making any image of what is in heaven, or worshiping another :god"

NOPE
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I mean the rest of them if you are an atheist.
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I'm not an atheist. I don't believe in your god, or anyone else's god, I believe in a creator
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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

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Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

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Tell that to him and alike:

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Rule.303 is, was and will be in effect from now until well into the foreseeable future.

For those who don't know rule.303 it essentially means those with the guns make the rules. Anyone who wants to challenge that? Well. We know how that plays out.
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But what happens when I have a gun and you have a gun and we don't agree on the rules, retard?
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If you can beat the status quo then you make the rules. Retard.
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Society based on killing each other has no livable future. There is no development under the gun point possible, not to speak of harmony.
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Which is exactly why we are faced with the problems that exist currently. It's a world of might makes right whether it's natural or not.

You espouse the ignorance of such rules but you cannot deny it's existence.
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Of what practical purpose is observing the "sabbath" on a certain day, if I don't believe in your fucked up god?
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A day of for everyone, not just some. I live it having the seventh day alone in a world too busy to stop for a day.
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I agree that we all need a rest every now and again, just not when your god says I must.
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How do you make everyone to stop making noise on the same day?
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Societal morals have been very relative. But I think the 10 Commandmewnts are just the most common sense for society not to go the liberal way of Sodom and Gommorah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218


Several of the "ten Commandments" are nonsense and serve no purpose in deciding right and wrong. For instance not making any image of what is in heaven, or worshiping another :god"

NOPE
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I mean the rest of them if you are an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218


I'm not an atheist. I don't believe in your god, or anyone else's god, I believe in a creator
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the day off is the day a week free to reconnect with the Creator.
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If you can beat the status quo then you make the rules. Retard.
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As in blow your fool brains out?

cruise

War is the basis for that belief, he who has the biggest bombs and the most bullets has a god that has a bigger dick that your god.
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Duh!
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So that is right?

I see.

Religion has warped what little of a mind you have.
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Obtuse little fella aren't ya? You can deny power and what it takes to establish it and maintain it but your denial will afford you no reprise. Reality is what it is.
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Uff This is a very deep Thought!

Finally we Acs are not Banned!

In my opinión, Relativism is completly dependant in Society Evolution and based in the Family Morals..so most people are driving by Moral Thinking and acting based on those Moralsg, Multiply that, Based on Every part of the World plus the Religion they are Based on, Giving You a Different Results based on the Development on that Persona!

stoner
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You cannot have natural law in a overpopulated world. Human society has been going against the natural environment since Adam.
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Overpopulation is a complete lie

Natural law is the only real "law"

All the rest are edicts by kings and queens who believe they own other people
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I mean, how can one individual decide what's *best* for another individual and the collective as a whole? Natural law is the only correct way. Just now, the world is in such a cluster * ..... how will it ever find its way out.
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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You cannot have natural law in a overpopulated world. Human society has been going against the natural environment since Adam.
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Overpopulation is a complete lie

Natural law is the only real "law"

All the rest are edicts by kings and queens who believe they own other people
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I mean, how can one individual decide what's *best* for another individual and the collective as a whole? Natural law is the only correct way. Just now, the world is in such a cluster * ..... how will it ever find its way out.
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by depopulation as always in the human history.
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Moral relativism is an just an excuse to do evil. Think about the golden rule "do to others what you want others to do to you" or its negative form "don't do to others what you do not want others to do to you" and you are 90% there in understanding right and wrong.
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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

OR:

Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

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If I walk outside grab my neighbors dog take it outside and light it on fire but call it judgement.....is that wrong? Oh f it if I go next door drag my neighbor out at gunpoint and light them on fire but call it judgement is that okay?
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Of what practical purpose is observing the "sabbath" on a certain day, if I don't believe in your fucked up god?
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A day of for everyone, not just some. I live it having the seventh day alone in a world too busy to stop for a day.
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I agree that we all need a rest every now and again, just not when your god says I must.
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How do you make everyone to stop making noise on the same day?
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You don't. In the absence of agreement by all involved. NOPE

Not based on religion, no way, no how. Your god and your beliefs are not my beliefs, nor are they my problem.
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Several of the "ten Commandments" are nonsense and serve no purpose in deciding right and wrong. For instance not making any image of what is in heaven, or worshiping another :god"

NOPE
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85291314


I mean the rest of them if you are an atheist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218


I'm not an atheist. I don't believe in your god, or anyone else's god, I believe in a creator
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the day off is the day a week free to reconnect with the Creator.
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...and should be one of my choosing IF ANY, not yours
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One thing is is crucial to understand is that not only is religious dogma NOT natural law, it is a man made perversion of it.


Religion can and has been used to motivate people to do obviously extremely morally "wrong" things, and claimed it pleased "god".


Religion must NEVER be used to determine what we consider to be right or wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85291314


Societal morals have been very relative. But I think the 10 Commandmewnts are just the most common sense for society not to go the liberal way of Sodom and Gommorah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218


Religion has been abused, but it is not a dogma.

Religion is about the fact that the whole discussion can take place only if one cuts the reality by inventing an acting subject in the thinking.

The actual reality always remains completely untouched by this.

To know the reality, what actually happens in the awareness and to realize that not what the mind claims what supposedly happens happens, that is the message of the religions.

The commandments are therefore not social rules, but the recommendation to behave according to the actual reality and not to follow the deception and perception disturbance of the mind.
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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

OR:

Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

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 Quoting: Raniaashi


I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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Moral relativism is an just an excuse to do evil. Think about the golden rule "do to others what you want others to do to you" or its negative form "don't do to others what you do not want others to do to you" and you are 90% there in understanding right and wrong.
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Moral relativism seems like taking morality out of morality. It is oxymoronic
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A day of for everyone, not just some. I live it having the seventh day alone in a world too busy to stop for a day.
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I agree that we all need a rest every now and again, just not when your god says I must.
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How do you make everyone to stop making noise on the same day?
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You don't. In the absence of agreement by all involved. NOPE

Not based on religion, no way, no how. Your god and your beliefs are not my beliefs, nor are they my problem.
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You have right to be selfish like anybody else - the reason society falling apart. Just proving my point there are to many people unable to find consensus again.
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I agree that we all need a rest every now and again, just not when your god says I must.
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How do you make everyone to stop making noise on the same day?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218


You don't. In the absence of agreement by all involved. NOPE

Not based on religion, no way, no how. Your god and your beliefs are not my beliefs, nor are they my problem.
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You have right to be selfish like anybody else - the reason society falling apart. Just proving my point there are to many people unable to find consensus again.
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So not being selfish is bowing to your will, or your religion?

I see
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Ok ~ here's a thought !

AI is a hot topic these days. I submit that moral relativism can be predicted and thus influenced by AI/

Natural Law cannot.


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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

OR:

Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

[link to www.thoughtco.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Raniaashi


I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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Humans being an extension of nature are incapable of exerting force beyond that which nature provides. It's a free for all when it really comes down to it.
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I mean the rest of them if you are an atheist.
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I'm not an atheist. I don't believe in your god, or anyone else's god, I believe in a creator
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the day off is the day a week free to reconnect with the Creator.
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...and should be one of my choosing IF ANY, not yours
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I try it each time and keep failing, not possible to rest when everyone else does not. But the rest is crucial for reconnecting with one´s Source.
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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

[link to ethics.org.au (secure)]

OR:

Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

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I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law.

For example;
"Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”"
Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed.

"Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” "
Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not.


"Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law."
Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack.

"For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right."
Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence.
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I've watched Mark Passio for years. Thank you.
Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami
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I'm not an atheist. I don't believe in your god, or anyone else's god, I believe in a creator
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the day off is the day a week free to reconnect with the Creator.
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...and should be one of my choosing IF ANY, not yours
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I try it each time and keep failing, not possible to rest when everyone else does not. But the rest is crucial for reconnecting with one´s Source.
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You are not trying very hard.
I find the rest I need simply by getting the fuck away from people for awhile
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if your ass is in a pit, dont look at a calendar to decide whether or not to get it out.
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How do you make everyone to stop making noise on the same day?
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You don't. In the absence of agreement by all involved. NOPE

Not based on religion, no way, no how. Your god and your beliefs are not my beliefs, nor are they my problem.
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You have right to be selfish like anybody else - the reason society falling apart. Just proving my point there are to many people unable to find consensus again.
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So not being selfish is bowing to your will, or your religion?

I see
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Nope. Read it again. I stay selfish you stay selfish = no consensus possible. Too many variables among people. Culling necessary (may be of both of us). Until people find back to each other again. Not accusing you of anything, just the fact proven my point overpopulation is real.
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Wjem You think about the Saturfsy or Sundays "worship" is Just related and Simplify to a small geografia place of Land, Thinking they are tje Base of Every Thing, and Of Course they are Wrong!

God, Knows Everything, So if God sends every Human Being to Every Corner of the World, God Will Nottt Judge You for Creating Your Own Thpugh about God!

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Natural law is truth, relativism is hypothetical delusion
The evil we project onto a scapegoat, is the evil we are unwilling to face within ourselves
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You don't. In the absence of agreement by all involved. NOPE

Not based on religion, no way, no how. Your god and your beliefs are not my beliefs, nor are they my problem.
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You have right to be selfish like anybody else - the reason society falling apart. Just proving my point there are to many people unable to find consensus again.
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So not being selfish is bowing to your will, or your religion?

I see
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Nope. Read it again. I stay selfish you stay selfish = no consensus possible. Too many variables among people. Culling necessary (may be of both of us). Until people find back to each other again. Not accusing you of anything, just the fact proven my point overpopulation is real.
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I dont agree. I have no problem at all being by myself if I choose
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the day off is the day a week free to reconnect with the Creator.
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...and should be one of my choosing IF ANY, not yours
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I try it each time and keep failing, not possible to rest when everyone else does not. But the rest is crucial for reconnecting with one´s Source.
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You are not trying very hard.
I find the rest I need simply by getting the fuck away from people for awhile
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Thats one way but it makes you lonely. Not what the seventh day is meant to be ... its about fínding back to each other and to our Lifegiver.
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You have right to be selfish like anybody else - the reason society falling apart. Just proving my point there are to many people unable to find consensus again.
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So not being selfish is bowing to your will, or your religion?

I see
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85291314


Nope. Read it again. I stay selfish you stay selfish = no consensus possible. Too many variables among people. Culling necessary (may be of both of us). Until people find back to each other again. Not accusing you of anything, just the fact proven my point overpopulation is real.
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I dont agree. I have no problem at all being by myself if I choose
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U r not getting it ... I am by myself too but thats not societal life or the way to recreate it.





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