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Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75390023  United States02/15/2023 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neg, just someone who sees the path forward in Natural Law. I too enjoy the work of M. Passio, I see it as foundation. I see the structure is his comment "we should be the monarchs of our own domain so that we might see the societal expression of anarchy, meaning without rulers but with rules". GLP poster Daozen pointed out that the term for this would be synarchy, which means joint rule. I have talked about it quite a bit on this web site but never seem to find people who want to take responsibility in being part of the creative process. So for now, I am enjoying this discussion and hope very much it leads others to similar conclusions. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76361215  Puerto Rico02/15/2023 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? And For What? Why animals are created before the same with Planets? Slovakia dude! We can go Down the rabbit Hole bro, High or not high!  |
Raniaashi
(OP) User ID: 85291797 United States02/15/2023 06:26 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Raniaashi Please. If you have something to contribute then do. If you're here to demean and dismiss..... have at least have a good reason to demonstrate. I Picked a random google site .. my intention was to have discussion. So, have discussion! I never said I wrote the book on either concept. So, enlighten all of us! As an aside, there are things that Mark Passio says that I don't agree with. If he is your guru, cool for you! A discussion would be nice, but then the setup needs to be honest. And it is not, especially knowing now that you do know better. I don't agree with Mark Passio on everything either, he is not my guru. But he does have one of the best explanations of what Natural Law is, not like the random website you picked. I'm not the only one participating in this thread; there's been tons of great posts. So, please, contribute to the discussion! Allright, I'll keep it short and simple. It is all about the experience there is the individual experience, and the shared experience. Focus solely on the individual experience and live a completely self serving live, have the egoic, sensory perception based experience as the centre always referring back to the lower case s self. Or live for the shared experience, balancing the inner with the outer. Giving enough of your self while staying true to the higher S Self. If this is reciprocated, you have a free energy device between people. It is generation, growth and creativity. I'm sure you know which one is Natural Law and which one is moral relativism. AI can never have a shared experience since it has no body and no soul, so you are right in that it would not be able to predict behavior based on Natural Law, just self serving behavior based on moral relativism. I can include your perspective in my OP if you like! Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami Love is a one-way street. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85281762  France02/15/2023 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | didn't read the whole post. Quoting: JAZZz50 what ppl fail to realize is everything they were taught was influenced by the govern. this includes religion. think on thhis. from the moment u enter this world, govern ppl and govern taught ppl are around u. the 1st 2 ppl u meet- dr and nurse, both taught and licensed by govern. the next 2 your parents were taught by govern taught n licensed teachers. and all that they know was influenced by the same govern. look at it from a different angle. say u were born in CHINA. u would think life there was normal and our life is wrong. u would speak a different language and your culture would b different. this applies to any country. do other nations not think they are the best? gp farther. if u were born into prostitution or on the street, u again would see life much differently than if u born to movie stars in Hollywood or to politicians. what we see as "bad" cause we were taught such, they might see as normal life. so yes all morals are taught. and the govern has done the teaching directly or indirectly. a lion murders a zebra. he doesn't get arrested cause that is the way life is. Spoon fed culture/societies version of "right and wrong" on top of the initial "right and wrong" we were born with, that is imprinted in our hearts. So we end up with two or more conflicting sets of "right n wrongs" and this creates dogmas. |
| Loup Garou
User ID: 85236209 United States02/15/2023 06:27 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread reminds me of a book I read years ago, "Zen, and the art of motorcycle maintenance" Just sayin.... Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
| Loup Garou
User ID: 85236209 United States02/15/2023 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Moral relativism and Holocaust Moral relativism and Holocaust by Pilar Rahola Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260635 "Two deeds, related in spirit and time, . . . Pure, pitiful and dangerous moral relativism." GAIA Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76361215 Puerto Rico02/15/2023 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can Agree with Most in here! What You think is Right or wrong is based in your development has a human being! What i think is Right or Wrong depends where i was Raised up or Religión. So the dicotomía based on Right or Wrong is completly transverse and Disruptive, creating a divided society! In order to create a more divided society! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80308313  Pakistan02/15/2023 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80985693 United States02/15/2023 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from 2007.. Quoting: Loup Garou Thread: Moral relativism and Holocaust Moral relativism and Holocaust by Pilar Rahola Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260635 "Two deeds, related in spirit and time, . . . Pure, pitiful and dangerous moral relativism." GAIA I feel like I musty to defend myself here... This is true. Why they don't like my type of being... But we are interlinked. To take away one is to lessen one's self. And the group as a whole. The world is crumbling because a certain type of people influence psychology to make sure that my archetype and one or three others are secluded from certain things The inverted the pool and tried to run everything from a lesser stand point... In saying all of that this is kind of what humanity does.. over and over again.. cycles. The internet change that I think. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218  Slovakia02/15/2023 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neg, just someone who sees the path forward in Natural Law. I too enjoy the work of M. Passio, I see it as foundation. I see the structure is his comment "we should be the monarchs of our own domain so that we might see the societal expression of anarchy, meaning without rulers but with rules". GLP poster Daozen pointed out that the term for this would be synarchy, which means joint rule. I have talked about it quite a bit on this web site but never seem to find people who want to take responsibility in being part of the creative process. So for now, I am enjoying this discussion and hope very much it leads others to similar conclusions.  sorry for the bot |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85281762 France02/15/2023 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread reminds me of a book I read years ago, "Zen, and the art of motorcycle maintenance" Quoting: Loup Garou Just sayin.... In the modified version the zen master had to make his own moonshine in the forest to mix in with the local bad quality petrol, hereby breaking several laws, but he did deliver good wholesome eggs to a local Buddhist monestry from his chicken coop on the way to the city though. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218 Slovakia02/15/2023 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76361215 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218 Slovakia02/15/2023 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85281762 France02/15/2023 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76361215 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. What does animals and children have in Commen? |
| FHL(C)
User ID: 85077487  China02/15/2023 06:49 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The creation of life and preservation of life are agreed upon as moral. Quoting: SafeandSound A mockery of the male and female (creation) should make you repulsed, like rape, child sterilization and lgbtq. True. But it’s through nature and the natural law that created the male and female these beliefs apply. We call it degeneracy when what you describe happens. And eventually, nature will course correct, and address it. The iron will of nature always corrects these mistakes. If you are humanist who does not wish to acknowledge Elohim. Then natural law is an excuse to deny the Creator. And even science admits everything has a cause. YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218 Slovakia02/15/2023 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218 Slovakia02/15/2023 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76361215 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. What does animals and children have in Commen? do tell |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84116598 02/15/2023 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's clear which way you sway, since you completely misrepresented the meaning of Natural Law. You need to watch the movie by Mark Passio called the science of Natural Law. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84116598 For example; "Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.”" Wrong. Natural Law exists and is in effect regardless of what anyone thinks or believes. No shared idea in a given society is needed. "Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.” " Also wrong, Natural Law does not care about you, it does not assume anything about how people want to live their lives. It just is, and you can choose to base your live and behaviour on it and live a "good" live, or not. "Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law." Also wrong, look into the principle of polarity. Two poles are two sides of the same coin, like the positive and the negative form a circuit making them one. Natural Law just is, it is not made up. Lies are not the opposite of truth, just like darkness is not the opposite of light. Darkness is the lack of light, thats why you can light up a dark room with just one small source of light, but you can not remove the light from a well lit room with a source of darkness. There is not source to darkness, because it is a lack. "For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right." Very wrong, ever heard of the non-aggresion principle together with the self defense principle? Nobody has the right to initiate violence against another, everybody has the right to defend themselves against violence. Six pages in before someone corrected the demonstrably false definition of natural law. Ignoramus. Yeah I was surprised as well, so I went ahead and corrected the false definition. OP claims to want a discussion but could not formulate Natural Law for himself and instead set the discussion up with a false definition from a random website. Still claims he has listened to Mark Passio for years making it even worse in my opinion. |
| Reaching
User ID: 83952874 United States02/15/2023 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You cannot have natural law in a overpopulated world. Human society has been going against the natural environment since Adam. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218 So, you endorse moral relativism? Would you endorse re-education? From top to bottom, I would support "re-education", as the current system (science, medicine, education, political sciences), and going back at least 50-years, has been severely corrupted and skewed to enhance the dominance of the malleable people of the current population worldwide. I would argue that with very few exceptions, i.e. threat of life, The Golden Rule, which in one very similar form or another, has been adopted by nearly all faiths worldwide, and is a good place to start. If the argument arises: what about those with no faith, a tiny minority, which must also operate within the parameters of The Golden Rule. |
| Raniaashi
(OP) User ID: 79970313 United States02/15/2023 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76361215 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. What does animals and children have in Commen? I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami Love is a one-way street. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218 Slovakia02/15/2023 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread reminds me of a book I read years ago, "Zen, and the art of motorcycle maintenance" Quoting: Loup Garou Just sayin.... The nature does not need our maintenance, functioning on its own. A true perpetum mobile. The beauty of it. There is smtg. to learn from the nature right there. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76361215 Puerto Rico02/15/2023 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  nahhh dude, I don't put more energy on animals!But how do we differ from animals? I have 9 dogs and they Think and have a better understanding than most humans! Just saying.. If You grow up in the Jungle Forst, your mindset is completly different from someone in the Middle East or Europa.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80985693 United States02/15/2023 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76361215 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. What does animals and children have in Commen? I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Anything that can think can push cruelty.... Ants are f****** scary... The biggest slaver's on the planet... There are certain species of ants that specialize entirely on going into another Ann's colony and killing its Queen and taking it over... You have not watched enough animal planet |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85281762 France02/15/2023 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the Question can go Deeper, So God only Created Humans in the last 300,000 years and Based on what Time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76361215 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. What does animals and children have in Commen? I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Children and animals VS "Adult" humans |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83842218 Slovakia02/15/2023 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nahhh dude, I don't put more energy on animals! But how do we differ from animals? I have 9 dogs and they Think and have a better understanding than most humans! Just saying.. If You grow up in the Jungle Forst, your mindset is completly different from someone in the Middle East or Europa.. For humans the way back to God does not lead through animal companion, thats regress. I like (peaceful) animals, do not get me wrong. Got a retriver few y. ago what a fine being he was. Yet all their existence turns around next meal and walk. |
| Raniaashi
(OP) User ID: 79959579 United States02/15/2023 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83842218 It just seems to me you pay more attention to animals than to humans, may be wrong though. After all we are no animals and are closer to God (some of us) than animals. What does animals and children have in Commen? I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Anything that can think can push cruelty.... Ants are f****** scary... The biggest slaver's on the planet... There are certain species of ants that specialize entirely on going into another Ann's colony and killing its Queen and taking it over... You have not watched enough animal planet well, that might fall into natural law?? I mean, do ants sit there and plot on how they can torture their victims to the point of insanity, or do they just "eat." ? Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami Love is a one-way street. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85281762 France02/15/2023 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Anything that can think can push cruelty.... Ants are f****** scary... The biggest slaver's on the planet... There are certain species of ants that specialize entirely on going into another Ann's colony and killing its Queen and taking it over... You have not watched enough animal planet well, that might fall into natural law?? I mean, do ants sit there and plot on how they can torture their victims to the point of insanity, or do they just "eat." ? Can't generalize like that, ants don't build hospitals and sing lullabies to their children before sleep. But then again, Morals and dogma because humans have free will. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76361215 Puerto Rico02/15/2023 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I comprehend You Slovakia Bro, i have 9 dogs, 4 males of me and my mother has 5 female dogs, live in a duplex house, my experiencia is very complex, so my dogs are very Energetic, vibe, and emotional oriented! Very difficult to handle.. Soo learning how they Behave has led me to undetstand how the animal world relates to us humans! It's very deep in terms on Acknowledge the información!  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80985693 United States02/15/2023 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Anything that can think can push cruelty.... Ants are f****** scary... The biggest slaver's on the planet... There are certain species of ants that specialize entirely on going into another Ann's colony and killing its Queen and taking it over... You have not watched enough animal planet well, that might fall into natural law?? I mean, do ants sit there and plot on how they can torture their victims to the point of insanity, or do they just "eat." ? Nature doesn't care what a law is... That is just a human pudding a feeling onto a force... And yes the ants do... Ants driven by pheromones when they get excited about stuff you can most definitely tell because of the pheromone trials... I spents countless hours watching nothing but documentaries and comparing them and coming here to bitch about the world... But you can find them... The feel good for a good job done.... Like everything... No matter what that job is.. what does it for anything in this entire f****** universe is whatever it makes you feel good bro and that differs from person to person. Just look at orcas they definitely enjoy doing that |
| Raniaashi
(OP) User ID: 85186312 United States02/15/2023 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Raniaashi I missed that post........ interesting. This could be its own topic!! Humans..... Animals ...... Besides the frontal lobe in humans..... not much of a difference from what I see. In fact, from what i have observed, humans are the most cruel of all animals on the planet. Anything that can think can push cruelty.... Ants are f****** scary... The biggest slaver's on the planet... There are certain species of ants that specialize entirely on going into another Ann's colony and killing its Queen and taking it over... You have not watched enough animal planet well, that might fall into natural law?? I mean, do ants sit there and plot on how they can torture their victims to the point of insanity, or do they just "eat." ? Can't generalize like that, ants don't build hospitals and sing lullabies to their children before sleep. But then again, Morals and dogma because humans have free will. Well...... Everything is made of consciousness...... energy. Not one thing, is not. With this topic, we're forced to consider levels of consciousness. Humans, animals, plants, even rocks. It's well known that crystals have potent energy contained within them. So, maybe generalize is not a good term to use. But maybe more like an understanding of the degrees of consciousness. Love is like light. It is never constrained to its source; it shines on everything and tends to spread spontaneously, unless we block it! ~ Cosmic Swami Love is a one-way street. |
