Moral Relativism vs. Natural Law and how does AI interfere

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Sooo if we did evolution from monkey to human? What's God Thouhht about that?

So frpm Adam? We develope All of the Races in Earth?

I'm not evolution nor creation but a mix!

Natural Law also says "no victim, no crime".

So if you are driving drunk, and make it home without harming anyone or anything, you're good !

Man made "positive" law is for slaves.

You jay walked.
You crossed the yellow line.
You got a license to fish?

Natural Law also says "no victim, no crime".

So if you are driving drunk, and make it home without harming anyone or anything, you're good !

Man made "positive" law is for slaves.

You jay walked.
You crossed the yellow line.
You got a license to fish?

Man made balance... You wouldn't want to live in A world with no rules... There are always bigger fish. And everyone has a weakness

We have come out of balance when the internet was introduced... And it has taken 30 for it to grow up... Find equilibrium. Information takes a minute to build

Fair is unfair... Meaning we can't have god's among men if we're going to move forward I eat people like Bill Gates Jeff bezos f****** cock brothers there's so many billionaires... One voice one vote.... Without that you have nothing.. just look at Helen Keller.

The left and right have good people in ideology. But in that we have forgotten that there's also another side to other people. And refuse to make laws to control the other side

So what's makes the Adam Story more Credible than Other Texts around the World?

If you put the hope in ideologies you get over and over disappointed. Reality is not thought, you can only have thoughts on reality. Mind is the crooked mirror.

Moral relativism seems like taking morality out of morality. It is oxymoronic

Allright, I'll keep it short and simple. It is all about the experience there is the individual experience, and the shared experience. Focus solely on the individual experience and live a completely self serving live, have the egoic, sensory perception based experience as the centre always referring back to the lower case s self. Or live for the shared experience, balancing the inner with the outer. Giving enough of your self while staying true to the higher S Self. If this is reciprocated, you have a free energy device between people. It is generation, growth and creativity. I'm sure you know which one is Natural Law and which one is moral relativism.

AI can never have a shared experience since it has no body and no soul, so you are right in that it would not be able to predict behavior based on Natural Law, just self serving behavior based on moral relativism.

Very well said. Can you expand upon this at all? Is there more than just one Natural Law? I know Passio refers to the hermetic principles often and even says he most often refers to the principle of cause and effect as being the basic representation of Natural Law. I guess where I am going with this is, are the (8)7 hermetic principles each an aspect of Natural Law or not at all? If so, are there more principles/laws not being discussed by Passio as I feel like in one presentation there was a slide I missed that had additional Natural Laws. Also can we consider all of these principles to be objective or subjective at this point?

It is a complex issue as I have been advocating for a more spiritual solution to our current condition. The principles of mentalism, correspondence, polarity, rhythm and of course
cause and effect would certainly play parts in any sort of spiritual solution. It is why I tend to side with the thought that the coming "messiah" will have a feminine quality to it. We are too left brained as a society, which is masculine in its nature. All logic and reason, very little compassion or intuition.

I am wondering if anyone else is seeing this the same and if so, why would we think we can fix what is so utterly broken and corrupt? Is ot not the more logical solution to begin anew but with a focus towards spiritual growth as opposed to material?

When are we going to take responsibility for where we are as individuals and by extension, society? If not us, then who?

Allright, I'll keep it short and simple. It is all about the experience there is the individual experience, and the shared experience. Focus solely on the individual experience and live a completely self serving live, have the egoic, sensory perception based experience as the centre always referring back to the lower case s self. Or live for the shared experience, balancing the inner with the outer. Giving enough of your self while staying true to the higher S Self. If this is reciprocated, you have a free energy device between people. It is generation, growth and creativity. I'm sure you know which one is Natural Law and which one is moral relativism.

AI can never have a shared experience since it has no body and no soul, so you are right in that it would not be able to predict behavior based on Natural Law, just self serving behavior based on moral relativism.

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Moral relativism is the idea that there are no absolute rules to determine whether something is right or wrong. Unlike moral absolutists, moral relativists argue that good and bad are relative concepts – whether something is considered right or wrong can change depending on opinion, social context, culture or a number of other factors.

Moral relativists argue that there is more than one valid system of mora
lity. A quick glance around the world or through history will reveal that no matter what we happen to believe is morally right and wrong, there is at least one person or culture that believes differently, and holds their belief with as much conviction as we do.

This existence of widespread moral diversity throughout history, between cultures and even within cultures, has led some philosophers to argue that morality is not absolute, but rather that there might be many valid moral systems: that morality is relative.

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Natural law theory holds that all human conduct is governed by an inherited set of universal moral rules. These rules apply to everyone, everywhere, in the same way.
As a philosophy, natural law deals with moral questions of “right vs. wrong,” and assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives.
Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law enacted by courts or governments.
Under natural law, taking another life is forbidden, no matter the circumstances involved, including self-defense.
Natural law exists independently of regular or “positive” laws—laws enacted by courts or governments. Historically, the philosophy of natural law has dealt with the timeless question of “right vs. wrong” in determining the proper human behavior. First referred to in the Bible, the concept of natural law was later addressed by the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle and Roman philosopher Cicero.

What Is Natural Law?
Natural law is a philosophy based on the idea that everyone in a given society shares the same idea of what constitutes “right” and “wrong.” Further, natural law assumes that all people want to live “good and innocent” lives. Thus, natural law can also be thought of as the basis of “morality.”

Natural law is the opposite of “man-made” or “positive” law. While positive law may be inspired by natural law, natural law may not be inspired by positive law. For example, laws against impaired driving are positive laws inspired by natural laws.

Unlike laws enacted by governments to address specific needs or behaviors, natural law is universal, applying to everyone, everywhere, in the same way. For example, natural law assumes that everyone believes killing another person is wrong and that punishment for killing another person is right.

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AI is a hot topic these days. I submit that moral relativism can be predicted and thus influenced by AI/

Natural Law cannot.


thoughts?

So, if you strictly follow all of the rules that you've been told to follow and what someone told you about God's rules, that is simply called slave morality. You're acting for a reward or to avoid punishment. Instead, sort out everything you've experienced, then act. You know as a mature person what is right and wrong. That is real morality.

but at the end the AI
wont oppose the Natural
if Human is from the One
and AI wont oppose Him
that AI always need the nothing (natural)
AI is extension of Mind (logical) aspect
the Natural provide the Love + Heart

so trust ... ....

very nicely said and excellent questions you raise. I agree 100% with the bolded part. How on earth do we extend this concept to the collective? It takes an expansion of consciousness and the masses are so dumbed down, I truly don't know how it could happen.

Well OP, I think you have a pretty good idea of my position on all of this, even what we can do to make it happen. It could happen if we apply the 8th "hidden" generative principle meaning we need to actually care to make this happen. Which of course is spiritual in nature. No need to worry about the masses, the concern is finding like minded people, like in this thread to begin the creative process. The masses will eventually "follow the trend" as is evident when one cares to look. The masses are reactionary, not capable currently of acting, being creative. This is why it is fruitless to wake anyone up without having a solution in place they can plug into of their own free will.

AI interference can been seen in our artificial structures that go against Natural Law such as our governments, religious institutions and of course monetary practices. Was thinking about this last night and I can not help but wonder, are we all anti-christs (Passio's de-facto satanists) by consenting to these forms of control? Would changing the structures to align with Natural Laws also help to align ourselves and by extension society with the same? Are we the messiah's we have been waiting for? Intuition tells me yes, salvation comes from within and the exterior savior, while certainly possible, is part of the trap leading to non action or responsibility on our part. From personal experience, exterior salvation is more likely to come, if needed, when you are actively fighting to save yourself.

The push for critical mass must be voluntary or we will be no better than the adversary. Build it and they will come as shining truth onto lies must be more readily accepted than the inverse.

yes. Of course. This will take thousands of years. I'm not sure we have thousands of years to turn this ship around.

There is no better time to begin an endeavor such as this, currently chaos/evil is eating its own, along with many innocent people. I think we would be surprised how quickly a viable alternative would catch on. The popularity of the indie tv show The Chosen is an indication that people are interested in the spiritual option. The foundation is there, we just need caring and interested individuals to help create the structure. Then we need to utilize the structure, let others know there is an option, others we know who might be open to such. If there is proof in concept, anything is possible.

It is a bottom up approach as we have no power to implement a top down solution, nor should we. The top down solution is currently what the adversary is attempting to implement and having an alternative to the chaos/evil in the form of order/good will certainly gain traction, especially since it should be focused on the individual and their evolution of consciousness.

In my humble opinion, this sort of solution is scale-able and can fit the need of any group. It can support the family unit all the way to a collective effort, such as self liberment locally and beyond. It of course would become a tremendous undertaking and will require time but do you really think there is going to be a easy solution to all of this? We are in a spiritual war (information) and I can not help but feel these resets we apparently experience are a result of failing to find the spiritual solution. I have been asking myself, would these resets actually occur if we lived in harmony with Natural Laws and Nature/God/Source/Creator? Obviously I do not know the answer to the question but intuition leads me to feel that the possibility exists that we can solve all our problems by embracing a spiritual solution as opposed to a material one.

There is no better time to begin an endeavor such as this, currently chaos/evil is eating its own, along with many innocent people. I think we would be surprised how quickly a viable alternative would catch on. The popularity of the indie tv show The Chosen is an indication that people are interested in the spiritual option. The foundation is there, we just need caring and interested individuals to help create the structure. Then we need to utilize the structure, let others know there is an option, others we know who might be open to such. If there is proof in concept, anything is possible.

It is a bottom up approach as we have no power to implement a top down solution, nor should we. The top down solution is currently what the adversary is attempting to implement and having an alternative to the chaos/evil in the form of order/good will certainly gain traction, especially since it should be focused on the individual and their evolution of consciousness.

In my humble opinion, this sort of solution is scale-able and can fit the need of any group. It can support the family unit all the way to a collective effort, such as self liberment locally and beyond. It of course would become a tremendous undertaking and will require time but do you really think there is going to be a easy solution to all of this? We are in a spiritual war (information) and I can not help but feel these resets we apparently experience are a result of failing to find the spiritual solution. I have been asking myself, would these resets actually occur if we lived in harmony with Natural Laws and Nature/God/Source/Creator? Obviously I do not know the answer to the question but intuition leads me to feel that the possibility exists that we can solve all our problems by embracing a spiritual solution as opposed to a material one.

There is not more then one Natural Law, but there are different dimensions to it. For example there are the hermetic principles, and them there are the practicle principles derived from those principles as shown in The Science of Natural Law documentary by Mark Passio. There are numerous other derivations that all fall within Natural Law and they are all coherent with the Hermetic Principles.

I also believe that change must happen from the bottom up, from the inner to the outer. But I also think that we need to bridge the gap with the controlled masses somehow. Personally I am working on a VR project for guided de- and reprogamming therapy focused on breaking old patterns and opening up to new and improved pattern that serf the higher S self.

It would be nice to have a more complete working definition of Natural Law, one that includes the different dimensions and practical principles derived from the Hermetic Principles. I appreciate your response and have to say in the past I have termed what I see needing to be done as a re-programming of self. Would love to learn more about your VR project, when you are ready to share. It sounds like it could be a resource used in the teaching trivium (k,u,w) that I see as the method for raising one's consciousness.

Thanks for responding, I feel like we see things very similarly.

I also feel like we see things very similarly. I am working on the project with a group of diverse people, but none with this specific perspective or knowledge background, so it would be nice to talk and bounce around ideas with someone who does. Who knows maybe you can help us in de development process. We do all meet IRL sometimes but it is mostly online since we live in different countries and places. You can contact me at [email protected] if you are interested