UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT A REAL GOD CANNOT EXIST.n

you cannot find the answer in a book of any kind



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There is no answer from the bible god or the chirstian religion.

Think about it. Christians cannot describe or define te god they believe in. They have never seen thier god in person. No one has ever seen god. In the bible a book of fiction several people claimed to have seen god but thats a fiction.

No christian has ever seen any type of open wound healed up or any arm or leg healed back on.

Christers believe what their preacher tells them.

Every preacher acts like they just had breakfast with god. God spoke to them they say. They say they feel gods presense in evey church everywhere every sunday.
All 100 percent pure lies.

Thats how the get your money. Their god is make believe.


I believe in God, I do not believe in Religion, I believe in everyone's right to believe in what ever they want to believe in..........Believe you me for God's sake!

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The christian cult, and god and jesus are the same.
without the christian cult, there is no god or jesus.

Without theimaginary jesus and god, there is no christian cult religion.

The imaginary jesus and god ARE the cult of the christer religion.




Well, you just keep on telling yourself this, but your doing a pretty shitty job of convincing anybody else on this forum it seems to me.


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Yet not a single christian has refuted a single sentence in my post! That means that most christians are so brain washed they will cling to their blind faith even in the face of it's proven falsehood. Good luck with that.

Care to discuss the christian free will argument?

Starbug - Great message BTW. Thanks for sharing it, allot to think about!

Peace

It's obvious that the OP not only is lost in the woods on his own topic but, he has his mind made up that he simply is not going to listen to reason no matter how plain it's presented to him.

The OP likes to hear himself chatter. It doesn't matter that he's talking in circles, he believes he knows what he's talking about and he has his mind made up that he's right-HE'S NOT!

But, being a legend in his own mind, I'm sure there's no way in getting through to him so, I say-let him go!

This thread has jumped the shark! Watch your rear OP!


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Ok lets hear some "reason" from you.,
Stop spewing your normal shit.

Take each paragraph of my post and refute them.

You can make fun of me and call me whateve you want, but you can't argue facts.

Your religion is based on free will

Free will is entierly bogus

An "ALL KNOWING' god knows EVERYTHING. If God is ALL KNoWING , then he knows every single thing that happens in the universe before it happens and infinitely into the future.

Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not.

An "ALL KNOWING" God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, an ALL KNOWING God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell.

To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity before its born is the epitome of evil.

Your god cant posssibly be "all knowing". Either you have a stupid god wondering what everyone will do next, or everyone is pre programmed by god.

So which is it?

Dumb shit god or no free will???????????????.


That blows your entire religion to shit. Now your god has to take the blame for all the evil you christers do.

Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible

If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find:

"A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref]

a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot;

or it neither can nor will.

If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent.

If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If

If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent.

Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"


In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.

Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray.

Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year.

Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future.

Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil.

Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe".

Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created."

However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed."

How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable.

As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary.

It's obvious that the OP not only is lost in the woods on his own topic but, he has his mind made up that he simply is not going to listen to reason no matter how plain it's presented to him.

The OP likes to hear himself chatter. It doesn't matter that he's talking in circles, he believes he knows what he's talking about and he has his mind made up that he's right-HE'S NOT!

But, being a legend in his own mind, I'm sure there's no way in getting through to him so, I say-let him go!

This thread has jumped the shark! Watch your rear OP!


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Ok lets hear some "reason" from you.,
Stop spewing your normal shit.

Take each paragraph of my post and refute them.

You can make fun of me and call me whateve you want, but you can't argue facts.

Your religion is based on free will

Free will is entierly bogus

An "ALL KNOWING' god knows EVERYTHING. If God is ALL KNoWING , then he knows every single thing that happens in the universe before it happens and infinitely into the future.

Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not.

An "ALL KNOWING" God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, an ALL KNOWING God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell.

To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity before its born is the epitome of evil.

Your god cant posssibly be "all knowing". Either you have a stupid god wondering what everyone will do next, or everyone is pre programmed by god.

So which is it?

Dumb shit god or no free will???????????????.


That blows your entire religion to shit. Now your god has to take the blame for all the evil you christers do.

You can't prove a negative i.e. that something doesn't exist. So you've failed before you've even begun.

Additionally quantum physics will prove the survival of conciousness after death within the next decade. Till then feel free to carry living in your delusion.

you cannot find the answer in a book of any kind



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There is no answer from the bible god or the chirstian religion.

Think about it. Christians cannot describe or define te god they believe in. They have never seen thier god in person. No one has ever seen god. In the bible a book of fiction several people claimed to have seen god but thats a fiction.

No christian has ever seen any type of open wound healed up or any arm or leg healed back on.

Christers believe what their preacher tells them.

Every preacher acts like they just had breakfast with god. God spoke to them they say. They say they feel gods presense in evey church everywhere every sunday.
All 100 percent pure lies.

Thats how the get your money. Their god is make believe.


I believe in God, I do not believe in Religion, I believe in everyone's right to believe in what ever they want to believe in..........Believe you me for God's sake!

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The christian cult, and god and jesus are the same.
without the christian cult, there is no god or jesus.

Without theimaginary jesus and god, there is no christian cult religion.

The imaginary jesus and god ARE the cult of the christer religion.




Well, you just keep on telling yourself this, but your doing a pretty shitty job of convincing anybody else on this forum it seems to me.


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Yet not a single christian has refuted a single sentence in my post! That means that most christians are so brain washed they will cling to their blind faith even in the face of it's proven falsehood. Good luck with that.

Care to discuss the christian free will argument?




I'v been refuting each and every one of your weak arguments and you have some weak-assed excuse why you reject any reason that is given you. That is because you have darkened your heart against the truth.

For Centuries godless heathen like yourself have been trying to discredit Christianity with the same old arguments that you have presented. You have presented nothing new. But they all failed, and you will fail too. Because you can't fight against the truth. It has it's own power that you cannot fight against. Eventually you will develop a reprobate mind and go completely insane just as those who have tried and failed before you did. It is already happening.

Do you know what will come of all this effort you have spent on getting out these old. weal-assed arguments?....absolutely nothing! And that about sums up the worth of all your effort. That is why "the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."

Proof #36 - Realize that God is impossible

If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find:

"A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref]

a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot;

or it neither can nor will.

If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent.

If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If

If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent.

Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"


In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.

Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray.

Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year.

Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future.

Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil.

Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe".

Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created."

However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed."

How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable.

As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary.

#1 - your an idiot
#2 - there is no proof that God exists, if you don't know he exists in your own heart - then for you he doesn't.

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The bible god factually exists, or he factually does not exist.

Factually, the bible god does not exist.

WOW. Thats all I can say. The person who started this thread is a total moron. A fucktard if you will. For someone who is apparently so athiest he really does care and devote a lot of his time to God. If he spent half the time he did coming up with BULLSHIT like this thread which proves nothing but his IDIOCY doing something like actually doing some spiritual searching and learning for himself, instead of just regurgitating everything he fucking hears, he might actually know something!! But he wont, and he never will. So he will keep trying to disproves gods existence to a bunch of people who will NOT listen to him.

GJ Moronic poster of this thread, you fail at life.

If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find:

"A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref]

a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot;

or it neither can nor will.

If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent.

If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If

If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent.

Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"

In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.

Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray.

Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year.

Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future.

Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil.

Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe".

Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created."

However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed."

How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable.

As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary.

WOW. Thats all I can say. The person who started this thread is a total moron. A fucktard if you will. For someone who is apparently so athiest he really does care and devote a lot of his time to God. If he spent half the time he did coming up with BULLSHIT like this thread which proves nothing but his IDIOCY doing something like actually doing some spiritual searching and learning for himself, instead of just regurgitating everything he fucking hears, he might actually know something!! But he wont, and he never will. So he will keep trying to disproves gods existence to a bunch of people who will NOT listen to him.

GJ Moronic poster of this thread, you fail at life.

If you consult the dictionary, here is the first definition of God that you will find:

"A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions." [ref]

a god can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot;

or it neither can nor will.

If It is both able and willing to remove evil and cannot. then then it is not omnipotent.

If it can, but will not, than it is not benevolent. If

If it is neither able nor willing, then it is neither omnipotent nor benevolent.

Lastly, if it is both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"

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God has his own timeline for the things that must be done and when they must be done. To you [and me] it may seem as if God hasn't done or will not do anything to get rid of evil, but what is a million years to us is merely a blink of an eye to Him.
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OP
And your proof is what?
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In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.

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There's your problem, you're supposing that God should be as you envision Him and do not accept Him as He is.
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OP
And your evidnece or proof of a real god is where?

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Take this quote from the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

The impossibility of God is visible here as well. Based on Jesus' statement, let's assume that you are a child and you are starving in Ethiopia. You pray for food. What would you expect to happen based on Jesus' statement? If God exists as an all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful parent -- a "father in heaven" -- you would expect God to deliver food to you. In fact, the child should not have to pray.
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Prayer is not ASKING God, it's agreeing with God. When you agree with God's will everything is taken care of. Jesus never indicated that we should be beggars, but doers. He told the apostles to cast the nets into the sea if they wanted fish. God is not in the business of welfare. the Bible indicates that he who is not willing to work can go ahead and go hungry.
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OP
Bullshit: "Ask and ye shall recieve". Every christer praying is begging for something. Go back up couple of paragraphs and re read the verses on prayer directly from your bible.

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Normal parents provide food to their children without their children having to beg for it. Yet, strangely, on planet Earth today we find tens of millions of people dying of starvation every year.

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Jesus said there will always be poor in the World. Perhaps you value this world's existence more than the one that God is truly interested in, your afterlife.
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OP
What kind of loving all powerful god sists and watches his creations to starve to death?

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Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience. If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future.

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Yes, that actually makes for a much more powerful God than you could ever even begin to fathom.

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OP
He hasn't done a single provable thing for the past two thousand years. He won't even com to visit, A no show god cannot be a lovng god.

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Do you have FREE WILL in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome oous evil.

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Eternal damnation in Hell is reserved for Satan, the Beast and the Antichrist, no one else. Read that Bible you like to attack so much before claiming to understand anything to begin with.
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OP
Quote chapter and verrs stating that hell is reserved for satan and the fabulous Anti Christ.

Prove there is a satan and an anti christ. Both are make believe, christians have to have them to to blame when things go wrong.


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Free Will... we do indeed have the ability to choose. God knows the results of all possible choices intermeshed with all other possible choices multiplied by all the possible combinations of choices. Yet it is still your choice. just because God is powerful enough to know all the outcomes doesn't mean you are any less enabled to make your own decisions as to which roads to take.
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OP

If god knows all the outcomes, there can be no free will.

The outcome is known in advance. Action must produce that outcome.

God knows what each action will be before the action is taken.

Therefore we are all pre programmed. We can not have free will with an "all knowing" god.

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Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe".

Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created."

However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God. For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator. God is timeless and has always existed."

How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT? The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable.

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God is above all, he makes the rules. Your presumptuous thinking is not unlike trying to understand the size of the ocean by looking at a drop of water.
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OP
Where is your proof? Santa Clause delivers toys to every
house in one night. Children still believe that.

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As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary.
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The only impossibility is to even begin to understand the essence of God with a puny, tiny mind and using human logic based on the mere world you perceive as absolute and using only the mind without the spirit.

Stfu.


Can't deal with the truth can you?

You are unimportant, you are worthless, your god doesn't exist.

Hey, no one ever said it was going to be easy.

When YahWeh/God/The Father instructs HIS Angel of Revelation 14:7 to make Witness to every man/woman/child/beast/rock & tree; the OP will understand just how wrong they were.

Having been In-HIS-Presence and involved with HIM daily for almost 24yrs, my own experience is undeniable proof that HE does exist. It is through this daily living IN-HIS-Accord that I was Given to Know of the soon to come arrival of HIS Son, Christ Jesus, who will take posession of this world.

If the Original Poster has ever Loved Jesus, even as a child; he/she will not be lost or condemned. If he/she has never "heard" the Gospel, he/she will not be condemned. God is All Merciful and Just.

It matters not in the scheme of things what you believe; only that you KNOW.

So much anti-Christ false-witness is presented under color of Christianity, it is almost refreshing to find a woo-woo atheist; almost.

God IS Real, whether you acknowledge HIM or not.
In these Final Moments, before all that are alive are Given to Know that HE IS Real, you still have time to seek HIM in earnest prayer and give HIM your life. Only those who surrender their self-will unto HIM receive HIS new heart and Know HIM. Very few are ever willing, or brought so low that they take this seemingly drastic action.

Ultimately there is only one way to Come Unto The Father.
That way is through Christ Jesus.
Loving HIM is where this all begins.
Some just don't have it upon their heart to do so.
I offer no conjecture as to why this is.

My life has not been built on the grounds of conjecture; not for the last 23 years and 10mos.

Coming into HIS Accord is the most memorable and important moment in anyone's life. It is the purpose of our creation. Too bad so few in this Laodicean-age are willing to Trust God with their lives Fully and Completely. There might be many more encouraged to seek HIM and make their surrender if they knew they could.

Noah's Obedience Unto God was a judgment on the world.
So it is in these times.

In these Final Moments, it is time to Take Action if you ever thought you might. Tomorrow might just be too late!

Maranatha!!!

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When anyone asks christers tough questions, they always
ignore the questions, and begin to spout their cult beliefs.

A straight answer is impossible for them. Then they always try to scare the questioner with their bullshit
judgement day crapola.


Why There Can Never Be A: "Judgement Day".


Christers love to threaten all non believers with.....(be very afraid now)...... JUDGEMENT DAY!!!!

BUT.... Heres Why JD can never happen.

Christers will tell you that ALL will come FACE TO FACE with their god and be judged. We will either go to heaven or be sent straight to hell..... (Remember.... I told you to be very afraid?)

If each person has exactly one minute to have all his or her sins flashed in front of him/her and respond to the god guy, (just READING my own sins will require at least several minutes) it will take god .... working around the clock,..... day in and day out,..... year in and year out,....... never taking a even one minute off,......2,034 years to pass judgement on each of the first one billion people waiting in line to be judged.

That's because it takes 2,034 years for one billion minutes to pass.

According to current estimates, there are 6,5 billion people alive today. Rounding that off, it will take god 19,000 years to judge those currently living.

Course we will all die while waiting to be judged and have to be raised from the dead too. I'm mainly worried about who will feed us while we wait in line.

Factor in births per thousand years while waiting in line, (There will likely be more fucking with nothing else to do in line, resulting in even more babys to grow up and be judged).

I'm guessing there are at least 4 billion previously dead people god has to raise from the dead too, so we can planly see that god has his work cut out for him.

I mean this is a god who has never... ever.... worked more than 6 days in his entire life.....I really have to say he's not gonna make it. He's totally fucked.

"unknown" to science or anything else doesn't equate to proof of God

You can't prove a negative i.e. that something doesn't exist. So you've failed before you've even begun.

Additionally quantum physics will prove the survival of conciousness after death within the next decade. Till then feel free to carry living in your delusion.



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Your delusion is called religion. What is my delusion

Stfu.



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You christers need to learn to face the fact that your god , the one you worshiped all your life, is really entirely imaginary.


Feel free to try to counter any thing in the post.

You just can't.

The universe that EXISTS proves you wrong. There is no OTHER explaination of what exists and evolves, unless there IS a devine Creator with power over all.




WHY DOES SOMETHING THAT EXISTS HAVE TO BE CREATED BY AN ALL POWERFUL ONE BEING???