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Looking to go OFF GRID for anons

 
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Sorry about the multi posts my mouse is a pos.
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I'll start. If you're going to raise chickens make the pen with welded wire NOT chicken wire. It is a lot tougher and foxes can't chew through it. Make the sides 6 foot tall and run bailing wire back and forth across the top about 6 inches apart. This will prevent hawks from being able to get in from the air. Dig a 4 inch wide trench 6 inches deep around the bottom of the fence and fill it with cement. This will keep predators from digging under.
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Never use chicken wire as a line of last defense especially up to the 2 foot mark from the ground; Welded wire is no better. Hardware Cloth A coon has a 7 inch reach and can easily kill a chicken inside the run that gets within that 7 inches.

The trench around the run is not necessary and a lot of unnecessary work as well.

Instead, as a second outside barrier up to the 2 foot mark, use chicken wire, about 3 foot high. Affix the Chicken Wire to the 1st line of defense (Hardware Cloth, 1/2 inch, 1/4, 1/8, don't matter).

After the 2 feet of chicken wire is affixed, there will be 1 foot left at the base of the ground. Simply 90 Degree that foot of wire AWAY from the Run. Place Pea Stone on top, anything to make it not visible.

Coons and such are NOT smart enough to attempt tunneling under 1 foot of cover chichen wire. We've had no known attempts at the run in from the outside in 3 years.

We tapped into our Well with a 125 foot trench, 4 foot down (Frost, sux) and we have water with a special valve to avoid freezing above ground level.

We have 20 Reds.
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everybody who does solar tells me to get 24 volt deep cycle if I can afford it.

I haven't priced it out yet but with WW3 on the horizon. I think its time to start shopping
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84966232


Everything is either 12 volt DC or 120 volt AC, so it's best to stay away from anything unusual if you plan on scavenging for things to survive with, because when things start breaking down in a few years, you won't be able to replace the unusual equipment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73775870

YES! Also you need to keep in mind with DC power the lower the voltage the bigger the wire you will need. My 2000 watt inverter/charger has 4/0 cable. There are wire sizing charts online. Make sure you do it right or you will have poor performance or even a fire!
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I'll start. If you're going to raise chickens make the pen with welded wire NOT chicken wire. It is a lot tougher and foxes can't chew through it. Make the sides 6 foot tall and run bailing wire back and forth across the top about 6 inches apart. This will prevent hawks from being able to get in from the air. Dig a 4 inch wide trench 6 inches deep around the bottom of the fence and fill it with cement. This will keep predators from digging under.
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Never use chicken wire as a line of last defense especially up to the 2 foot mark from the ground; Welded wire is no better. Hardware Cloth A coon has a 7 inch reach and can easily kill a chicken inside the run that gets within that 7 inches.

The trench around the run is not necessary and a lot of unnecessary work as well.

Instead, as a second outside barrier up to the 2 foot mark, use chicken wire, about 3 foot high. Affix the Chicken Wire to the 1st line of defense (Hardware Cloth, 1/2 inch, 1/4, 1/8, don't matter).

After the 2 feet of chicken wire is affixed, there will be 1 foot left at the base of the ground. Simply 90 Degree that foot of wire AWAY from the Run. Place Pea Stone on top, anything to make it not visible.

Coons and such are NOT smart enough to attempt tunneling under 1 foot of cover chichen wire. We've had no known attempts at the run in from the outside in 3 years.

We tapped into our Well with a 125 foot trench, 4 foot down (Frost, sux) and we have water with a special valve to avoid freezing above ground level.

We have 20 Reds.
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Cool, thanks!
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My wife and I are off grid, and live in a 2600+ square foot home in Texas. We have all the luxuries that any "on grid" home has, and that was the design goal of our 30kW solar system that runs it all. We also have a backup diesel generator for whenever there are extended periods of no sun.

"Off Grid" doesn't necessarily mean primitive living, but we do tend to pay more attention to our power consumption than we did when we were "On Grid".
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My wife and I are off grid, and live in a 2600+ square foot home in Texas. We have all the luxuries that any "on grid" home has, and that was the design goal of our 30kW solar system that runs it all. We also have a backup diesel generator for whenever there are extended periods of no sun.

"Off Grid" doesn't necessarily mean primitive living, but we do tend to pay more attention to our power consumption than we did when we were "On Grid".
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Ya that's really the only difference. Except a lot of people heat with wood so you have to aquire wood lol. I have a woodstove and a pellet stove for heat. I love the pellet stove for the convienience.
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You can make your own manual turning solar rack from a top of pole mount really easy. On the back of the pole mount just drill 3/8 holes at different positions (with the mount loose enough to turn). through the mount and into the pipe. Use a 5/16 carriage bolt to lock it in position. This holds the rack down too. I have 2 of these and they work great and a lot cheaper than a factory made rotating rack.
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Some good info from my other thread Thread: How To Keep Your Water Lines From Freezing Off Grid
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Loving off grid is retarded.
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Loving off grid is retarded.
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Awwwe do you need some luvins?
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everybody who does solar tells me to get 24 volt deep cycle if I can afford it.

I haven't priced it out yet but with WW3 on the horizon. I think its time to start shopping
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84966232


Everything is either 12 volt DC or 120 volt AC, so it's best to stay away from anything unusual if you plan on scavenging for things to survive with, because when things start breaking down in a few years, you won't be able to replace the unusual equipment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73775870

YES! Also you need to keep in mind with DC power the lower the voltage the bigger the wire you will need. My 2000 watt inverter/charger has 4/0 cable. There are wire sizing charts online. Make sure you do it right or you will have poor performance or even a fire!
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Good advice!

Most people don't consider wire size when dealing with electricity.

You also have to consider start up wattages when dealing with motors, like in well pumps.

Also stick with the right size breakers. I've seen people put large breakers on circuits to avoid them breaking the circuit all the time, and then you risk burning up the wires.
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Re: Looking to go OFF GRID for anons
Loving off grid is retarded.
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Awwwe do you need some luvins?
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Only retarded losers live off grid.
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Re: Looking to go OFF GRID for anons
everybody who does solar tells me to get 24 volt deep cycle if I can afford it.

I haven't priced it out yet but with WW3 on the horizon. I think its time to start shopping
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84966232


Everything is either 12 volt DC or 120 volt AC, so it's best to stay away from anything unusual if you plan on scavenging for things to survive with, because when things start breaking down in a few years, you won't be able to replace the unusual equipment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73775870

YES! Also you need to keep in mind with DC power the lower the voltage the bigger the wire you will need. My 2000 watt inverter/charger has 4/0 cable. There are wire sizing charts online. Make sure you do it right or you will have poor performance or even a fire!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80777678


Good advice!

Most people don't consider wire size when dealing with electricity.

You also have to consider start up wattages when dealing with motors, like in well pumps.

Also stick with the right size breakers. I've seen people put large breakers on circuits to avoid them breaking the circuit all the time, and then you risk burning up the wires.
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I've seen that too. Also you need to use STRANDED wire for all DC circuits. You wouldn't believe the sheet I have seen people do omg!
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Maybe the hardest part for many is that they have lost touch with their roots and have been so reliant on the "system" for so long.

I think, too, that off-grid folks, farmers homesteaders that are mostly self reliant are under attack because they know the system is nonsense. They are a threat, basically.

I had an acquaintance with some setup and he told EVERYONE. Like, I am interested I sharing info to learn myself and help others but also wary because not only are you already a target,, but when SHTF, others who didn't prepare think you are obligated to help or say crap like, "all I need is a weapon and then I take" as their survival plan.

Anyways, just saying that I appreciate you sharing but to also be aware of predators.
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Maybe the hardest part for many is that they have lost touch with their roots and have been so reliant on the "system" for so long.

I think, too, that off-grid folks, farmers homesteaders that are mostly self reliant are under attack because they know the system is nonsense. They are a threat, basically.

I had an acquaintance with some setup and he told EVERYONE. Like, I am interested I sharing info to learn myself and help others but also wary because not only are you already a target,, but when SHTF, others who didn't prepare think you are obligated to help or say crap like, "all I need is a weapon and then I take" as their survival plan.

Anyways, just saying that I appreciate you sharing but to also be aware of predators.
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Yep, the same reason I only post about this or guns anonymously on here.

And a reason why I would never consider a " Hook up " on a public forum. As someone who has lived quietly this way for over 30 years, I think it's fine alone. And the idea of trying to put up with a tenderfoot who thinks they know all about it is exhausting.

hiding
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Maybe the hardest part for many is that they have lost touch with their roots and have been so reliant on the "system" for so long.

I think, too, that off-grid folks, farmers homesteaders that are mostly self reliant are under attack because they know the system is nonsense. They are a threat, basically.

I had an acquaintance with some setup and he told EVERYONE. Like, I am interested I sharing info to learn myself and help others but also wary because not only are you already a target,, but when SHTF, others who didn't prepare think you are obligated to help or say crap like, "all I need is a weapon and then I take" as their survival plan.

Anyways, just saying that I appreciate you sharing but to also be aware of predators.
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Ya I'm aware of that issue. It is far away enough that not a lot of people who don't have a place there will go. No water either. Everyone is on wells. I am friends with most of the people there and there are some preppers in the mix. I have a warning system that tells me when someone is coming up my road to the gate 1/2 mile away. I also have a camera on the gate. It's the best I can do for now. We also have private radio comms to summon help.
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The nearest town is 45 miles away and it is just a small town in a big farming area.
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Maybe the hardest part for many is that they have lost touch with their roots and have been so reliant on the "system" for so long.

I think, too, that off-grid folks, farmers homesteaders that are mostly self reliant are under attack because they know the system is nonsense. They are a threat, basically.

I had an acquaintance with some setup and he told EVERYONE. Like, I am interested I sharing info to learn myself and help others but also wary because not only are you already a target,, but when SHTF, others who didn't prepare think you are obligated to help or say crap like, "all I need is a weapon and then I take" as their survival plan.

Anyways, just saying that I appreciate you sharing but to also be aware of predators.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85373065


Yep, the same reason I only post about this or guns anonymously on here.

And a reason why I would never consider a " Hook up " on a public forum. As someone who has lived quietly this way for over 30 years, I think it's fine alone. And the idea of trying to put up with a tenderfoot who thinks they know all about it is exhausting.

hiding
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Doing it alone is very hard, you will need help from time to time.
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If you're looking for property make sure you have a good source of water #1! As long as you have water everything else will fall into place.
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Water is crucial.

I have about 1500 gallons of holding tanks, a fully lined well, all the equipment to go solar, and all kinds of extra equipment to keep it all running for years.

You never ever what to run out of water!
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Pray tell please. “Fully lined well”. Any info or links you can give ?

Thanks so much
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If you're looking for property make sure you have a good source of water #1! As long as you have water everything else will fall into place.
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Water is crucial.

I have about 1500 gallons of holding tanks, a fully lined well, all the equipment to go solar, and all kinds of extra equipment to keep it all running for years.

You never ever what to run out of water!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73775870


Pray tell please. “Fully lined well”. Any info or links you can give ?

Thanks so much
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82606438


I think what he is referring to is a cased well. It protects the pump and pipe from collapse.
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I'll start. If you're going to raise chickens make the pen with welded wire NOT chicken wire. It is a lot tougher and foxes can't chew through it. Make the sides 6 foot tall and run bailing wire back and forth across the top about 6 inches apart. This will prevent hawks from being able to get in from the air. Dig a 4 inch wide trench 6 inches deep around the bottom of the fence and fill it with cement. This will keep predators from digging under.
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Damn dude. Fort knox stuff. We just keep the coop close to the house with motion sensor. The run is open 2 foot chicken wire open air. Dumb chickens die, The smart ones live. After a year, its all good.
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Watch "retard rescue" (homestead rescue) and don't do what the retards do. They are way too stupid to be off grid hence they needed rescuing.
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Going off grid is stupid. About just as stupid as living in a big city.
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Ya whatever but at least you're not surrounded by undesirables such as yourself.
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Because you can without registering like an obedient little muppet.
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Re: Looking to go OFF GRID for anons
So you're off grid. Great, awesome.

Now how does the county feel about it?

Did you comply with county regulations when building your house and implementation of solar panels?

Did the county re-assess your prop after all the build and slap a huge tax on you?

I'm interested in getting some acreage and building an off grid location and experimenting with hydrogen storage, but wonder about all the code hoopla. Seems the big brother is always watching over your back these days and want a piece of the pie.
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So you're off grid. Great, awesome.

Now how does the county feel about it?

Did you comply with county regulations when building your house and implementation of solar panels?

Did the county re-assess your prop after all the build and slap a huge tax on you?

I'm interested in getting some acreage and building an off grid location and experimenting with hydrogen storage, but wonder about all the code hoopla. Seems the big brother is always watching over your back these days and want a piece of the pie.
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Im so far away nobody gives a shit. Do whatever you want and have your place fenced and gated and posted. They do flyovers every few years and try and figure what you have then tax you for it. If they ever did mess with you (nobody I know) the penalty is 3x the permit cost. F them as long as you pay yer taxes thats all they care about.
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Your state/county might be different, some have no codes. How much will they make in taxes if you have to take your place down? See what I mean?
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If you really want to know just do what I did. Call the county building inspectors office and say you are thinking of buying a cabin but you don't think it has permits. They will tell you what the protocol is.





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