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Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces

 
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How much does this have to do with the developing automated anti-sniper systems?
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drones and robots.
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electrical warfare and you're back to cannon foddery
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What's wrong with having reconn snipers instead? They want more dedicated scouts.
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How much does this have to do with the developing automated anti-sniper systems?
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A lot... Well actually just the ready availability of thermal is making it hard on snipers... Add in the advances in electronic optics like the new army scope going on the M7 and snipers in general become less important.
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They are not getting rid of snipers; they are moving them to a different battalion. Reconnaissance, instead of infantry.

Force Recon will still have snipers, as well.

Scout sniper platoons typically have 18 marines. The new scout platoons will have 26 Marines and provide a lot more forward intel.

Good idea? Not too sure. But just wanted to clarify the facts.
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Snipers since WWII have always had reconnaissance as large part of their responsibilities. A US military largely without Marine corp snipers didn’t they learn their lesson in Nam?
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Having a standing army is what got us into multiple wars that were none of our business and has brought us to the place we are today.

There is a reason we were warned against it.
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yep Imperial stormtroopers and doing the bidding of NWO. Chickens coming home to roost.
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
How much does this have to do with the developing automated anti-sniper systems?
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A lot... Well actually just the ready availability of thermal is making it hard on snipers... Add in the advances in electronic optics like the new army scope going on the M7 and snipers in general become less important.
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More dependence on electronics what could go wrong? Yeah not easy to defeat thermal. oh wait.
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How much does this have to do with the developing automated anti-sniper systems?
 Quoting: themessengernevermatters


A lot... Well actually just the ready availability of thermal is making it hard on snipers... Add in the advances in electronic optics like the new army scope going on the M7 and snipers in general become less important.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73889973


More dependence on electronics what could go wrong? Yeah not easy to defeat thermal. oh wait.
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
most don't know that prior to WW2, people we publicly executed on public squares in USA and it was a family gathering

such meetings should be organized again for the criminals

i'm a Christian, but would implement the Conservative Islamic states, where robbers get their hands chopped off, one robbery, one arm, try again, you won't wipe your ass again

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Not WW2 it was WW1, unless you went to a prison you didn't watch them before WW2. I had a step grandma who went to the last public hanging, and she was young at the time.
Sorry I got a headache

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most don't know that prior to WW2, people we publicly executed on public squares in USA and it was a family gathering

such meetings should be organized again for the criminals

i'm a Christian, but would implement the Conservative Islamic states, where robbers get their hands chopped off, one robbery, one arm, try again, you won't wipe your ass again

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Not WW2 it was WW1, unless you went to a prison you didn't watch them before WW2. I had a step grandma who went to the last public hanging, and she was young at the time.
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Link?
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The Corps has to adapt to the recruits they're getting and if the new recruits don't like guns, what are they supposed to do?
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AI
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Meanwhile in Russia basic fundamentals of marksmanship are being perfected by male and female population in addition to agronomy and animal husbandry
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"The United States Marine Corps disbanded its elite and historic scout sniper program as part of its extensive revamp to adapt infantry battalions to future warfare."
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That doesn’t sound good!!!
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What's next? AI robots fighting other AI robots? Then what?

The armed services need a few good men who are good at VR gaming skills, not real guns it seems.
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TBC-whocares
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So I went through the course in Hawaii in 01. I was with 1/3 . Got my secondary MOS 8541 is what it was then and my hogs tooth. After 2 deployments I was an instructor at Quantico for an advanced course. The entire time I was with the STA platoon, there was echos of the scout snipers coming to an end, that artificial intelligence and smart bombs were the future of warfare and that the typical grunt would be barely needed. It's insane seeing this happen. Marine Corps went woke the moment we traded our tri color commies. Jesus christ its a fucking chame.
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
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This is more of gutting my beloved Corps.

The ultimate goal is to disband it all together to the pages of military warfare history..,,,,sooner than later if then can.
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
Over the last 70 years the Marines have slowly been transformed into a second army and used as such.

This change is part of the plan to transform the Marines back into a beach assault force. Think Chinese islands.

The Marines are getting rid of their M1 tanks, to be replaced with lighter, amphibious armor. They are looking to field highly mobile anti-air/missile and anti-ship missiles with their front line landing forces.

The idea is to quickly occupy islands and turn them into defensive porcupines in one fell swoop and with as little logistical support as possible.

A battalion might land on some small atol. Perhaps it is lightly defended. Perhaps not. Regardless, in a single day the Marines have taken it and now hold at threat any ship or aircraft that approaches within 100 miles. This battalion brought everything needed to sustain itself for weeks in case enemy fleet movements cut it off from resupply.

Such a battalion might have two companies of infantry, an armor platoon, an anti-aircraft radar and missile system, an anti-ship radar and missile system, a support element, and a command element.

Add a second battalion size force and suddenly you can have 4 F35 fighters stationed on your little fortress. Or more likely, they'll rotate in and out so as to keep the enemy guessing.

This is the future of the Marine Corps. For better or worse.
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Why? was it racist?
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
They are not getting rid of snipers; they are moving them to a different battalion. Reconnaissance, instead of infantry.

Force Recon will still have snipers, as well.

Scout sniper platoons typically have 18 marines. The new scout platoons will have 26 Marines and provide a lot more forward intel.

Good idea? Not too sure. But just wanted to clarify the facts.
 Quoting: amplified2


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Met some very cool guys from Quantico from SSSchool. Really sharp guys in the woods. Started vacation days by running 8 miles at 5am. On their days OFF. Hardcore.
Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America.
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It's all about tech.
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
The Corps has to adapt to the recruits they're getting and if the new recruits don't like guns, what are they supposed to do?
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You aim and fire. You practice. You adapt. Either that or you stand behind a razor wire topped cyclone fence and prepare to be worked to death. Which will it be? Prison guard or the prison? Get on the porch and get out of the way, otherwise.
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Makes sense, it's not easy sniping in a corset.
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The Corps has to adapt to the recruits they're getting and if the new recruits don't like guns, what are they supposed to do?
 Quoting: Buck Fiden


No. Boys have always looked to the military as a way to sacrifice boyhood to become Men and maybe Warriors, the Men among Men by Honor and Duty.
The boys are still and now More in Dyer need of this.
To weaken this process as it has been is Enemy Action
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Cannot compete with guys using drones and grenades.
Warfare is 3D/4D now.
2 guys and 1 drone and all the grenades they can carry can do a LOT more damage than a sniper team now.
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In all honesty with the advent of the impact ballistics apps that calculate windage , atmospheric conditions, and bullet drop paired with a range finder the modern day miltary sniper crew would get smoked by professional competition long range shooters
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Why not? The marines got rid of tanks and artillery too......that funding better spent on new trans latrines and gender studies.....
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Re: Here's where we're at, folks: Marine Corps eliminating its Scout Sniper forces
This makes sense. The Army has cut back on the use of forward observers significantly. Why send a FO, radio operator and security team when you can send a drone which will give you a 10 digit grid in 15 minutes? I just read that the Air Force is finalizing plans to trash a good amount of A-10s and replace them in the close air support role with F35s. Add that to the fact that F35 pilots are not required to actually train in close air support.





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