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We need to cut back medicare and social security from retired boomers | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85327544  United States03/18/2023 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Medicare is not good, because its unmanaged. If you get admitted for anything, they will keep you until your benefit is maxed, whether you are well or not. Prescribe drugs that will either kill you or ruin your health. Then dump you out in the street. Those additional supplemental plans are life savers because they are managed, they won’t allow you to be admitted to a board and care as permanently disabled, for a simple UTI. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356  Canada03/18/2023 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 We all know bankers, lawyers, politians, and Germans will always attain the higher moral ground. Just know king of the hill is a game and you can't win forever. At some point a younger one will and should knock you on your ass. Many communities for hundreds of years have collected for and sought to the betterment of those less fortunate among them. Stop with your word that mean nothing. So the end justify the means? Okay. Distinguish your mortality from that of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. They all thought they were fighting the good fight. They all felt their ends justified the means. Moral people don't use coercion and violence - victimizing some to help others so they can pretend to be virtuous while making no real sacrifice of their own. You aren't fooling anyone. Charity is voluntary. Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 At some point a younger one will and should knock you on your ass. Many communities for hundreds of years have collected for and sought to the betterment of those less fortunate among them. Stop with your word that mean nothing. So the end justify the means? Okay. Distinguish your mortality from that of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. They all thought they were fighting the good fight. They all felt their ends justified the means. Moral people don't use coercion and violence - victimizing some to help others so they can pretend to be virtuous while making no real sacrifice of their own. You aren't fooling anyone. Charity is voluntary. Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. |
Weisshaupt
 User ID: 80494230 United States03/18/2023 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weisshaupt As I responded to a similar accusation I will not argue the morality of my actions with a someone who has no morality of their own. It is - objectively and empirically - stealing - as it is property taken without permission or consent. But since you see others are mere resources YOU own and can use for your own selfish agenda to advance your personal causes , you see nothing wrong with that . Fruther the theft began with the first payment - because people who had never paid in got benefits. THat is what its a ponzi scheme. It was made worse by the government stealing funds form the system as well but the entire system is inherently immoral. Your moral high ground is a sham. You say we steal, but yet you have not answered as to whether you will collect your social security when eligible. I would guess you will, which will make you a hypocrite. Do as I say, not as I do, seems to be your mantra. You already know the answer 'mer, there will be be no value left in the system when it becomes our turn to receive back. Because we care enough to investigate the system we find ourselves in, we understand that we have been paying others' (ie your's and others like you) while making arrangements for ourselves. This guy has explained that to you numerous times and you ignore it because it is inconvenient to you. Likewise we care not if the collapse of the system inconveniences you, and your (all 'mers) attitude displayed everywhere all of the time reinforces the point that the collapse of the system that people like you built can't happen soon enough. Another asset paid asshole from Australia that knows nothing about America and the true love Americans have for each other. LOL. True love after threatening peoples jobs if you don't get jabbed? After leaving soldiers to die. After stealing an election. After calling anyone who disagrees a racist bigot? After ignoring the constitution and the bill of right to impose collectivism and violate the rights of others? We are on the verge of a civil war, and if you think any conservative gives a crap about a non-contributing looser democrat feeding from the government troughs you are incorrect. This system is collapsing and when it goes you will find that anyone who supported using government force to make others live their way is left to die by the patriots who love freedom. You messed with the men who wanted to be left alone and boy - there will be no love lost. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 Many communities for hundreds of years have collected for and sought to the betterment of those less fortunate among them. Stop with your word that mean nothing. So the end justify the means? Okay. Distinguish your mortality from that of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. They all thought they were fighting the good fight. They all felt their ends justified the means. Moral people don't use coercion and violence - victimizing some to help others so they can pretend to be virtuous while making no real sacrifice of their own. You aren't fooling anyone. Charity is voluntary. Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. We have to make a path for the younger generations to rise into leadership roles and be welcomed. It is the only sane way to move forwards. Keeping politicians in government into their 70's and 80's is just not sane. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10624212  Australia03/18/2023 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All that is required is a change in attitude and perspective. Do you have it in you, or is all only about you? Either way, we will strive to implement a system that provides a meaningful and satisfying existence to participants. Those seeking to continue the cycles of exploitation will by their own attitude and unwillingness to participate will likely perish by their own greed. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weisshaupt So the end justify the means? Okay. Distinguish your mortality from that of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. They all thought they were fighting the good fight. They all felt their ends justified the means. Moral people don't use coercion and violence - victimizing some to help others so they can pretend to be virtuous while making no real sacrifice of their own. You aren't fooling anyone. Charity is voluntary. Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. We have to make a path for the younger generations to rise into leadership roles and be welcomed. It is the only sane way to move forwards. Keeping politicians in government into their 70's and 80's is just not sane. And in the end it just creates more problems as much of the world has moved beyond them and their inability to see reality as it is. |
| Weisshaupt
User ID: 80494230 United States03/18/2023 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 Many communities for hundreds of years have collected for and sought to the betterment of those less fortunate among them. Stop with your word that mean nothing. So the end justify the means? Okay. Distinguish your mortality from that of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. They all thought they were fighting the good fight. They all felt their ends justified the means. Moral people don't use coercion and violence - victimizing some to help others so they can pretend to be virtuous while making no real sacrifice of their own. You aren't fooling anyone. Charity is voluntary. Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. Everything the State does is backed by violence. You call me a rube, but you don't understand that? If you want the state to do ANYTHING you are advocating violence. Just ask the Amish man who first refused to pay his Social Security taxes. Men with guns came and took his only team of oxen - without which his family would starve. Charity is voluntary and therefore CANNOT be provided by the State. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weisshaupt So the end justify the means? Okay. Distinguish your mortality from that of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. They all thought they were fighting the good fight. They all felt their ends justified the means. Moral people don't use coercion and violence - victimizing some to help others so they can pretend to be virtuous while making no real sacrifice of their own. You aren't fooling anyone. Charity is voluntary. Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. Everything the State does is backed by violence. You call me a rube, but you don't understand that? If you want the state to do ANYTHING you are advocating violence. Just ask the Amish man who first refused to pay his Social Security taxes. Men with guns came and took his only team of oxen - without which his family would starve. Charity is voluntary and therefore CANNOT be provided by the State. OK. Do the Amish pay taxes? Is that what you are upset about? I would agree they shouldn't have to if they refuse government help. |
| Weisshaupt
User ID: 80494230 United States03/18/2023 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. You obviously never paid taxes. If I don't pay my taxes, what happens? Will force be used to collect them? One can argue we can consent to taxes when forming a government - but the US government was formed with a constitution that make it very clear what those taxes could be used for. Anything they are used for outside those approved purposes is a misappropriation of funds just as much as using tax dollars to visit Epstein's island. It is theft from the taxpayer. Hence Forcefully taking form some via taxation and then entitling others to live off of that is nothing but a system of slavery where the government owns the slaves and freedom is what one has left over after the government has made its demands. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 I very much understand the work of the community and the state, and am bewildered at your understanding of the role od each needed to create a cohesive community/society that is for the betterment of all, those not needing and those less fortunate needing a little more help. I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. Everything the State does is backed by violence. You call me a rube, but you don't understand that? If you want the state to do ANYTHING you are advocating violence. Just ask the Amish man who first refused to pay his Social Security taxes. Men with guns came and took his only team of oxen - without which his family would starve. Charity is voluntary and therefore CANNOT be provided by the State. OK. Do the Amish pay taxes? Is that what you are upset about? I would agree they shouldn't have to if they refuse government help. I don't know anything about the Amish. I thought they had an agreement to be separate form government rules and taxes... like the Indian reservations. But maybe I know fuck all. So what's the deal on the Amish? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. Everything the State does is backed by violence. You call me a rube, but you don't understand that? If you want the state to do ANYTHING you are advocating violence. Just ask the Amish man who first refused to pay his Social Security taxes. Men with guns came and took his only team of oxen - without which his family would starve. Charity is voluntary and therefore CANNOT be provided by the State. OK. Do the Amish pay taxes? Is that what you are upset about? I would agree they shouldn't have to if they refuse government help. I don't know anything about the Amish. I thought they had an agreement to be separate form government rules and taxes... like the Indian reservations. But maybe I know fuck all. So what's the deal on the Amish? Do they have a religious exemption from paying taxes by not becoming us citizens? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. You obviously never paid taxes. If I don't pay my taxes, what happens? Will force be used to collect them? One can argue we can consent to taxes when forming a government - but the US government was formed with a constitution that make it very clear what those taxes could be used for. Anything they are used for outside those approved purposes is a misappropriation of funds just as much as using tax dollars to visit Epstein's island. It is theft from the taxpayer. Hence Forcefully taking form some via taxation and then entitling others to live off of that is nothing but a system of slavery where the government owns the slaves and freedom is what one has left over after the government has made its demands. I agree on this. Point taken. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80827156 United States03/18/2023 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We should stop demomcrafts’ spending spree! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85188299 USA is already bankrupt. Let boomers pay their own shits. Over $600k has been paid into SS and medicare on my behalf over my working life. So sure, re-patriot the $600k---with compounded interest over the past 40+ years to me and I will happily opt out. Otherwise, GFYS with a chainsaw. 600k? Not true It's completely true. I have the most recent statement from the SSA earlier this month. Between my own SS payments deducted from my paychecks for SS and Medicare and what my employers paid, it is over $600k. So GFYS. |
| Weisshaupt
User ID: 80494230 United States03/18/2023 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 I never advocate violence or coercion. You added those in as a rube. Everything the State does is backed by violence. You call me a rube, but you don't understand that? If you want the state to do ANYTHING you are advocating violence. Just ask the Amish man who first refused to pay his Social Security taxes. Men with guns came and took his only team of oxen - without which his family would starve. Charity is voluntary and therefore CANNOT be provided by the State. OK. Do the Amish pay taxes? Is that what you are upset about? I would agree they shouldn't have to if they refuse government help. I don't know anything about the Amish. I thought they had an agreement to be separate form government rules and taxes... like the Indian reservations. But maybe I know fuck all. So what's the deal on the Amish? After stealing the oxen the case went to court and they were allowed to not pay into social security because their community took care of its own elderly. They were basically exempted. Everyone else - not so much. Unless you want to live at 1800 levels, the government forces participation and on one has the option to refuse paying into Social Security even if they refuse to collect it. Even if you give me the option to refuse to pay and therefore forgo benefits I am STILL paying for the system because the SSA "invested" the surplus funds in government bonds and the government spent the money in the general budget - I as a taxpayer now have to pay back those bonds- with interest. Last Edited by Weisshaupt on 03/18/2023 10:45 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. You obviously never paid taxes. If I don't pay my taxes, what happens? Will force be used to collect them? One can argue we can consent to taxes when forming a government - but the US government was formed with a constitution that make it very clear what those taxes could be used for. Anything they are used for outside those approved purposes is a misappropriation of funds just as much as using tax dollars to visit Epstein's island. It is theft from the taxpayer. Hence Forcefully taking form some via taxation and then entitling others to live off of that is nothing but a system of slavery where the government owns the slaves and freedom is what one has left over after the government has made its demands. I agree on this. Point taken. But you will be hard pressed to undo 100 years of hearsay in a court of law. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weisshaupt Everything the State does is backed by violence. You call me a rube, but you don't understand that? If you want the state to do ANYTHING you are advocating violence. Just ask the Amish man who first refused to pay his Social Security taxes. Men with guns came and took his only team of oxen - without which his family would starve. Charity is voluntary and therefore CANNOT be provided by the State. OK. Do the Amish pay taxes? Is that what you are upset about? I would agree they shouldn't have to if they refuse government help. I don't know anything about the Amish. I thought they had an agreement to be separate form government rules and taxes... like the Indian reservations. But maybe I know fuck all. So what's the deal on the Amish? After stealing the oxen the case went to court and they were allowed to not pay into social security because their community took care of its own elderly. They were basically exempted. Everyone else - not so much. Unless you want to live at 1800 levels, the government forces participation and on one has the option to refuse paying into Social Security even if they refuse to collect it. Even if you give me the option to refuse to pay and therefore forgo benefits I am STILL paying for the system because the SSA "invested" the surplus funds in government bonds and the government spent the money in the general budget - I as a taxpayer now have to pay back those bonds- with interest. ok, I see. yes. |
| Weisshaupt
User ID: 80494230 United States03/18/2023 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Living of the work of others by force is slavery. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two should frighten you. You obviously never paid taxes. If I don't pay my taxes, what happens? Will force be used to collect them? One can argue we can consent to taxes when forming a government - but the US government was formed with a constitution that make it very clear what those taxes could be used for. Anything they are used for outside those approved purposes is a misappropriation of funds just as much as using tax dollars to visit Epstein's island. It is theft from the taxpayer. Hence Forcefully taking form some via taxation and then entitling others to live off of that is nothing but a system of slavery where the government owns the slaves and freedom is what one has left over after the government has made its demands. I agree on this. Point taken. But you will be hard pressed to undo 100 years of hearsay in a court of law. Do you mean precedent? Hearsay is recounting what one hear from others but did not witness. They overturned Roe V wade after decades. . There is simply no constitutional power to run Social Security, just as the constitution gives the Fed no jurisdiction over the question of abortion. The thing with collectivist systems is the inevitable run out of other people's money. They then collapse. Social Security will do this by 2036. The dollar may very well collapse before then. No one wins . Reality is going to repeal this no matter what people want, and when that happens, I won't help a dang person who advocated for such collectivist systems. Bullying others over long periods doesn't win you friends. Last Edited by Weisshaupt on 03/18/2023 10:53 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 OK. Do the Amish pay taxes? Is that what you are upset about? I would agree they shouldn't have to if they refuse government help. I don't know anything about the Amish. I thought they had an agreement to be separate form government rules and taxes... like the Indian reservations. But maybe I know fuck all. So what's the deal on the Amish? After stealing the oxen the case went to court and they were allowed to not pay into social security because their community took care of its own elderly. They were basically exempted. Everyone else - not so much. Unless you want to live at 1800 levels, the government forces participation and on one has the option to refuse paying into Social Security even if they refuse to collect it. Even if you give me the option to refuse to pay and therefore forgo benefits I am STILL paying for the system because the SSA "invested" the surplus funds in government bonds and the government spent the money in the general budget - I as a taxpayer now have to pay back those bonds- with interest. ok, I see. yes. actually if what you're saying is true the Amish are now being requires to pay soc sec for funds that they will never ask for? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69539356 I don't know anything about the Amish. I thought they had an agreement to be separate form government rules and taxes... like the Indian reservations. But maybe I know fuck all. So what's the deal on the Amish? After stealing the oxen the case went to court and they were allowed to not pay into social security because their community took care of its own elderly. They were basically exempted. Everyone else - not so much. Unless you want to live at 1800 levels, the government forces participation and on one has the option to refuse paying into Social Security even if they refuse to collect it. Even if you give me the option to refuse to pay and therefore forgo benefits I am STILL paying for the system because the SSA "invested" the surplus funds in government bonds and the government spent the money in the general budget - I as a taxpayer now have to pay back those bonds- with interest. ok, I see. yes. actually if what you're saying is true the Amish are now being requires to pay soc sec for funds that they will never ask for? While their government of country isn't even matching the paid for alterntaive of testing of dioxins on their holdings? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weisshaupt After stealing the oxen the case went to court and they were allowed to not pay into social security because their community took care of its own elderly. They were basically exempted. Everyone else - not so much. Unless you want to live at 1800 levels, the government forces participation and on one has the option to refuse paying into Social Security even if they refuse to collect it. Even if you give me the option to refuse to pay and therefore forgo benefits I am STILL paying for the system because the SSA "invested" the surplus funds in government bonds and the government spent the money in the general budget - I as a taxpayer now have to pay back those bonds- with interest. ok, I see. yes. actually if what you're saying is true the Amish are now being requires to pay soc sec for funds that they will never ask for? While their government of country isn't even matching the paid for alterntaive of testing of dioxins on their holdings? This sounds fishy.... Oh I forgot that was last months news cycle. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69539356 Canada03/18/2023 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | actually if what you're saying is true the Amish are now being requires to pay soc sec for funds that they will never ask for? While their government of country isn't even matching the paid for alterntaive of testing of dioxins on their holdings? This sounds fishy.... Oh I forgot that was last months news cycle. You're all fucking tards on this webiste. Go ahead, debunk me. |
| Weisshaupt
User ID: 80494230 United States03/18/2023 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | actually if what you're saying is true the Amish are now being requires to pay soc sec for funds that they will never ask for? While their government of country isn't even matching the paid for alterntaive of testing of dioxins on their holdings? This sounds fishy.... Oh I forgot that was last months news cycle. The Amish are now exempt from the social security taxes. They don't pay and they don't draw. They still pay income tax and so forth. They aren't treated as a first nation tribe or anything. I am not opposed to properly managed, voluntary retirement fund run by the government - but social security is ponzi scheme - the current generation of benefits is paid directly by the people currently working. There is no Savings, no personal account, no contract. Basically if a private company tried to run as social security does they would be arrested, just like Bernie Maidoff was. The entire systems was immoral from day one. |
| Room222
User ID: 84436588 United States03/18/2023 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not going to sit here and read through the last 10pgs of Insanity. But what I can say is: what needs reevaluating, is on those who have been sitting on their arse for the last two decades working the system and refining it. Having spent 20 yrs in public transport, I can without doubt say that a large number of the population CAN work, but choose not to. Yet they depend on those who do. Financially and morally. I work. Don't have insurance. Will not step foot into a medical facility. Yet, guarantee.. half the people living on my street, has lived without the daily need to step out of the door and do something productive for years. They laugh at me for being the sucker. I laugh at them, for the sorry lives that they have chosen to live. . "People are stupid;they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true" |
| Son of a Gunny
User ID: 85251453 United States03/19/2023 12:02 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For 40 years of your work, what you earned doesn't even account for 10% of the money the government will need to spend on you in the future. And saying that you've paid everything off is ridiculous. It’s like you are asking for something worth a thousand dollars after paying only a hundred dollars. This is socialism. You Dumb Ass! You failed any class having to do with Math Money & Finances didn’t you!!! I’ve been working and paying in to SS & Medicare for 38yrs! In that time the U.S. Dollar has lost all of its value. The U.S. Dollar bought a whole hell of a lot more back when we started paying in. So frustrating trying to educate DUMB people! The only thing you did Smart was to log your comments as an Anonymous COWARD! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85312147 United States03/19/2023 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10624212 Australia03/19/2023 12:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For 40 years of your work, what you earned doesn't even account for 10% of the money the government will need to spend on you in the future. And saying that you've paid everything off is ridiculous. It’s like you are asking for something worth a thousand dollars after paying only a hundred dollars. This is socialism. You Dumb Ass! You failed any class having to do with Math Money & Finances didn’t you!!! I’ve been working and paying in to SS & Medicare for 38yrs! In that time the U.S. Dollar has lost all of its value. The U.S. Dollar bought a whole hell of a lot more back when we started paying in. So frustrating trying to educate DUMB people! The only thing you did Smart was to log your comments as an Anonymous COWARD! Sounds like you went to 'Math Money & Finance' class and yet you can't spell or identify 'Ponzi'. Your problem. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85346416 03/19/2023 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For 40 years of your work, what you earned doesn't even account for 10% of the money the government will need to spend on you in the future. And saying that you've paid everything off is ridiculous. It’s like you are asking for something worth a thousand dollars after paying only a hundred dollars. This is socialism. You Dumb Ass! You failed any class having to do with Math Money & Finances didn’t you!!! I’ve been working and paying in to SS & Medicare for 38yrs! In that time the U.S. Dollar has lost all of its value. The U.S. Dollar bought a whole hell of a lot more back when we started paying in. So frustrating trying to educate DUMB people! The only thing you did Smart was to log your comments as an Anonymous COWARD! It doesn’t matter how much you paid in asshole. The USA is already bankrupt, there’s no money left for you and we’re not responsible for that. Fucking old people. No country for old man. |
| Confederate Soldier
User ID: 84268315 United States03/19/2023 02:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: tiger1 A moral society takes care of those who are sick, disabled, or elderly. God forbid you would get a terrible disease, like cancer. See how long your money would hold out, and your kids money also. So If I get sick I should come and steal from you to pay my bills? You don't get to claim the moral high ground while advocating theft or that the ends justify the means. Neither is moral . You are only proving you are an immoral person unfit to live in a moral society. It is moral to help others for sure but only if it is done voluntarily. Of course, collectivists see other people as resources - not as people, so the idea of voluntary charity is far, far beyond their understanding. Collectivism is , after all, simply politically expressed narcissism. And your "moral" collectivist society - has already made it perfectly clear I am on my own in my old age because there will be no money and no system for me. All ponzi schemes end this way and only immoral people propose them Do you have car insurance? Life insurance? Fire insurance? Insurance is based on a contract. Social Security is a tax and you aren't legally owed any benefits if the government decides not to pay you. Further insurance covers risks - we all get a old. That isn't a risk. Its a known, very predictable event. Finally insurance is contracted for voluntarily. Social Security is in no way "insurance" - it is a ponzi scheme with mandatory participation that will be bankrupt in less than a decade Did you notice you rudely failed to address any thing I said directly and instead tried to disingenuously frame the debate in terms of of a non-sequitur: "insurance" Yes I have life insurance - it pays out a SET amount I contracted for given a set premium in the even of my death . Yes I have liability car insurance - it pays out set set amount based on a premium based on a legal contract I consented to provided I am the cause of an accident to cover another person's losses. Yes I have fire insurance - its a legal contract I consented to that pays out a set amount in the event of a fire I did not cause. Social security does not have a contract .It is legislation that collects a tax. Benefits and taxes are set by legislation and can be changed at at time without penalty and without my consent. It Iis run as a ponzi schemme using the current generations payments to pay out an older generations claims. Any insurance company operating in this manner would be shut down and the owners would go to jail. Are you really this stupid? No, but it really appears that you are. Read the original law, especially Sections 201 and 202. It was a good law. One of the few. [link to www.ssa.gov (secure)] Last Edited by Confederate Soldier on 03/19/2023 02:23 AM There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth! If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South. We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid; We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade. :78g: |
