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The Bible Is A Lie

 
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"Prophetic Simile

The Prophet Ezekiel was called upon to undertake a number of strange performances, one of which was to lie on his side for a total of 430 days. 1 Each day was expressly to represent a year of judgment against the nation.

A number of commentators acknowledge a difficulty which appears when one attempts to apply this specifically to Israel's history. Seventy of the years would seem to be accounted for in the Babylonian Captivity, but that leaves 360 years (430 minus 70) unaccounted for. 2 The 360 years do not seem to fit any period of their history.


Leviticus 26

It has been suggested by some that there might be a clue in Leviticus 26, where God indicates that:

...if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. - Leviticus 26:18

(In fact, this commitment is reiterated four times in that chapter for emphasis.3 )

It has been suggested that multiplying the "problem" 360 years by seven yields 2520 years, which is "approximately" the duration of time from the exile through the Diaspora.

This seemed rather contrived. Furthermore, it had bothered me since I never like to use the term "approximately" and "God" in the same sentence! I felt that if it was meant to fit, it would fit precisely.

Calendar Reconciliation

Sir Robert Anderson, in his classic work The Coming Prince, 4 noted that the Bible uses 360-day years in both Genesis and Revelation.5 However, I noticed that no one seemed to try to apply this insight to the 2520 years potentially suggested in Ezekiel Chapter 4..."

"...Thus, 2520 360-day years contain 907,200 days, which are accounted for on our current calendar as 2483 years, 9 months and 21 days:"


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"Great. But what do we do with this? Where do we begin to apply it?

Terminus Ad Quem

Another problem occurs when we examine more closely the "Babylonian Captivity." There are two different periods that are candidates: "the Servitude of the Nation," and the "Desolations of Jerusalem." Each of these was prophesied to be seventy years in duration and many assume they are synonymous of each other; however, they are not.

There were actually three sieges of Nebuchadnezzar upon Jerusalem. The first siege began the "Servitude of the Nation" and was prophesied to last 70 years. (And it did, to the very day.8 When Cyrus conquered Babylon he encountered the amazing letter written to him by Isaiah a century and a half earlier, which addressed him by name, highlighted his meteoric career, and predicted that he would free the captives. His astonishment resulted in his releasing the Hebrew captives to return to Judea to rebuild their temple.)..."

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"...The first siege of Nebuchadnezzar, in 606 B.C., began the "Servitude of the Nation," which lasted until the summer of 537 B.C. If July 23, 537 B.C. was the time of their release:

-537y 7m 23d
+1 (no year "0")
2483y 9m 21d

1948 5 14

On May 14, 1948, the nation Israel was reestablished on the world scene. A remarkable coincidence. Isaiah appears to have highlighted this very restoration:

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. -Isaiah 11:11, 12

Yet, there is another alternative application of the 2520 years:

The "Desolations of Jerusalem"?

The third siege of Nebuchad-nezzar, in 587 B.C., began the "Desolations of Jerusalem," which lasted until 518 B.C. If August 16, 518 B.C. was the completion of the walls of Jerusalem, then:

-518y 8m 16d
+1 (no year "0")
2483y 9m 21d

1967 6 7

On June 7, 1967, as a result of the Six Day War, the Biblical city of Old Jerusalem was restored to the nation. Another remarkable coincidence!

It should be borne in mind that the "starting" dates are not known precisely to the day. More research needs to be done. But this certainly seems provocative enough to ponder."

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The "Desolations of Jerusalem"?

The third siege of Nebuchad-nezzar, in 587 B.C., began the "Desolations of Jerusalem," which lasted until 518 B.C. If August 16, 518 B.C. was the completion of the walls of Jerusalem, then:

-518y 8m 16d
+1 (no year "0")
2483y 9m 21d

1967 6 7

On June 7, 1967, as a result of the Six Day War, the Biblical city of Old Jerusalem was restored to the nation. Another remarkable coincidence!


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Oh... translation...

Dismissed...

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Do you really believe God talks in riddles?
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Sometimes God speaks in mathematical precision that you cannot even begin to comprehend...

God speaks.

Do YOU listen?

That is the question.

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Or, to the contrary, are you so certain in your own immense genius that you, of course know better and are so very much smarter and wiser?

Yeah... you...
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I just watched this.

And shared this comment to the video.

Bible prophecy says:
-War
-Famine
-Disease
-Wild beasts

Remember what happened in Egypt - Pharaoh? It’s similar to that, but to all nations. Look into the Greater (Second Exodus). God’s people keep SUKKOT, that was the first stop after the children of Israel left Egypt. We have to prepare for SUKKOT. God does have a plan to protect His children again. God bless you. (To learn more, look up Lion & Lamb ministries on YT about the Second Exodus)



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Funny, my sukkot kit is currently all iver living room floor as I go through it and add to it. Dont know how it will all fit in my bergen,.or how I will carry it...by Gods strength I guess.

Montes Endtimes Q&A is a fab two hour watch. So much in it need to take notes
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Steve from Torah family has a good one on a one year tribulation "The 2nd passover and the coming storm"
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Whenever anyone says they only want and need PROOF but there is NO PROOF

you can give them PROOF

173,880 days

and see if they honestly want, need and care about PROOF at all...

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Another example of bad translation...

Daniels 70 weeks, is actually seventy "Feast of Weeks" (Shavuots - masculinised for plurality)
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Nonsense. You did zero research into all the info behind this conclusion of 173,880 days, as if such astonishing precision is any matter of imprecise translation.

You simply refuse to believe

for any reason.

You are Free to do so.

This is for someone who is open to being blown away by the Truth of God's Word.

You are not.

God says you are Free to fgo.
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Refuse to believe?

I been with God and Iosa (thats gaelic for Y'shua before you get knickers in twist) ALL MY LIFE since three years old. I asked my mum to take me to see Jesus.

Read bible soon as I could read.

But last few years has been intense. Gave up job, cats, love, home and gave contents to charity and moved into my car to live and that was me and Iosa on the road together. He showed me so much.

He gave me some new names, told me my role in the end times, and He asked me to go to a place, I obeyed, drove 8hr round trip, and I prayed at this spot that He would become King of my country oneday soon)
Two weeks later was an UNDENIABLE sign that He had become King. Thank God I had another witness which makes this truth.

He has asked me to keep private as others will use this as their own experience. I am to tell this in the camps of the righteous during greater exodus.
When I have mentioned quietly, these Christians pharisees don't believe it or say I am lying anyway.

But I more than believe.

I KNOW
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Another example of bad translation...

Daniels 70 weeks, is actually seventy "Feast of Weeks" (Shavuots - masculinised for plurality)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5156417

Nonsense. You did zero research into all the info behind this conclusion of 173,880 days, as if such astonishing precision is any matter of imprecise translation.

You simply refuse to believe

for any reason.

You are Free to do so.

This is for someone who is open to being blown away by the Truth of God's Word.

You are not.

God says you are Free to fgo.
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Refuse to believe?

I been with God and Iosa (thats gaelic for Y'shua before you get knickers in twist) ALL MY LIFE since three years old. I asked my mum to take me to see Jesus.

Read bible soon as I could read.

But last few years has been intense. Gave up job, cats, love, home and gave contents to charity and moved into my car to live and that was me and Iosa on the road together. He showed me so much.

He gave me some new names, told me my role in the end times, and He asked me to go to a place, I obeyed, drove 8hr round trip, and I prayed at this spot that He would become King of my country oneday soon)
Two weeks later was an UNDENIABLE sign that He had become King. Thank God I had another witness which makes this truth.

He has asked me to keep private as others will use this as their own experience. I am to tell this in the camps of the righteous during greater exodus.
When I have mentioned quietly, these Christians pharisees don't believe it or say I am lying anyway.

But I more than believe.

I KNOW
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173,880 days.

Behold,

His hour came.
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The Parable of the Sower


On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea.

And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: "Behold, a sower went out to sow.

"And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them.

"Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth.

"But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away.

"And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them.

"But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

"He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"


And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"

He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

"For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

"Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

"And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;

For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.'



Matthew 13:1-15
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The Parable of the Sower Explained



"But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

"for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

"Therefore hear the parable of the sower:

"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;

"yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

"Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.



Matthew 13:16-22
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"But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

Matthew 13:23
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The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares


Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;

"but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.

"But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.

"So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'

"He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'

"But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.

'Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."'"



Matthew 13:24-30
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Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him."


John 14:6,7
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The Bible most definitely is not a lie
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I'm pretty sure that's a matter of opinion.
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


2Timothy 3:16,17
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The Bible most definitely is not a lie
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I'm pretty sure that's a matter of opinion.
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Truth is true or false.

Your opinion makes no difference

but to you.
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Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


When you are standing before Him,

what will your pretty sure opinion matter?
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Do you really believe God talks in riddles?
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They are not riddles they are also not straight forward clear. Why?

Casual observers are prevented from accessing the wisdom that way.

His disciples said, “Ah, now You are speaking plainly to us and not in figures of speech! Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; because of this we believe [without any doubt] that you came from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now [at last] believe?

Take careful notice: an hour is coming, and has arrived, when you will all be scattered, each to his own home, leaving Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace. In the world you have tribulation and distress and suffering, but be courageous [be confident, be undaunted, be filled with joy]; I have overcome the world.” [My conquest is accomplished, My victory abiding.]
John 16:29-33 Amplified Bible (AMP)
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They aren't riddles.

They are parables and analogies.

Now try it again and see if it doesn't make more sense.

I think there are lies in the Bible, mostly having to do with who is chosen and who is not and where they came from and who they became.

But the mysticism and spiritual lessons remain intact.

It's like someone is trying to give you a Ferrari and you won't take the keys.

Too much car, for you?
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Do you think God wrote the bible?
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No, humans wrote it inspired by God.
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


2Timothy 3:16,17
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When Paul wrote this what scripture was he referencing?
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What if i told you that the Bible is written in simplicity but written so you wouldnt understand its true Messages. What if I told you by God's own admittance, the Bible was written in a way that it wouldn't be understood by those who its not intended for, the majority. God must interpret the Bible to you, and once He does the Bible is a brand new book, and an amazing one at that. Although the Bible is an accurate history book, it'll blow your mind to see that God allowed history to be exactly what it was as a lesson to His people when they know how to understand the true meaning of historical events.
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