Should Christian’s keep the law ? is the Torah valid for this age ?

No.

They are far too busy diddling to worry bout much else.

Mute question. the entire bible is corrupted

No, the bible is the word of GOD. you and your shitrantia book are what is corrupted.

Rev 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

so yeah.

If you don't believe the KJ Holy Bible is the final authority then you are not a Christian - very simple.

The Hebrew Roots movement is Jooewdiasm with a mask on.

Its veiled objectives are to discredit the KJ Holy Bible and rid the name Jesus Christ.

No Christian should be fooled by the "extra enlightened" people who walk around spewing this new age deception.

Torah is forever. The nt is a lie.

Yes; So let's examine this.

What are the Commandments of God, given by God?

What is the faith of Jesus?

The Commandments of God were written by the finger of God on two stone tablets. These were given to Moses to present to the people. The original tablets were destroyed when Moses came down off the mountain and found the Children of Israel committing fornication and idolatry. Moses cast them down and smashed them. He then made replica's and placed them into the Ark of the Covenant, which is now in God's heavenly temple.

So the Commandments of God are not the law of Moses, but laws of God given to Moses to present to the people. The Temple of God is not found in earthy dwellings.

All of the ritualistic priestly duties and those things that went along with the Temple here on earth were removed, including the Levitical Priesthood. It was replaced with the Melchizedek Priesthood headed by Jesus in heaven, not one made by men here on earth.

Those Commandments, given by God Himself, Jesus followed without sin or blemish to perfection.

When asked what does a man need to do to receive eternal life, Jesus paraphrased God's 10 Commandments.

Matthew 19:16-26
King James Version

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is the faith of Jesus, that Jesus walked as God the father Commands perfectly.

Jesus divided the Ten into two parts and clarified the purpose by stating;

Matthew 22
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The 10 Commandments establish Love for God first, and second, love of our fellow man. This is the summation of God's Ten Commandments, which Jesus says are not His, but instead come from God the Father.

In revelation 14, we see the full requirement of following God's 10 Commandments as attributed to those who are called Saints.

Revelation 14:12

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

We see exactly what Jesus nailed to the cross, and it wasn't God's Ten Commandments or anything directly given by God. Rather it was all of the earthly priesthood and temple rites, rituals and practices that were added to it so that men could seek repentance for the continual sins they kept falling into.

Here is what scripture says were done away with.

Hebrews 10:6-12
King James Version

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

See also; Hebrews Chapter 9,

In Isaiah 1 we see what God thinks of Israel's continual sin and what God sent Jesus to actually do away with and nail to the cross. It wasn't God's Ten Commandments.

Isaiah 1 (This is what Jesus nailed to the cross.)

10Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

11To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

13Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

To keep these old Covenant practices is to deny the purpose for which Jesus came.

As scripture says;

Colossians Chapter 2

4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circum with the circum made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circum of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumn of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

In Verse 21 above, I want to be clear, that it isn't referring to clean and unclean meats. The issue verse 21 addresses was of washing hands, eating the shew bread or drinking the temple wine and of clean meats offered to idols.

God is also the one that established the clean and unclean meat ordinance. I came directly from Him, as did the Ten Commandments. Pork or other unclean meat was never offered upon the alter. It was always clean meat.

God brought the animals to the Ark in the days of Noah. God brought 7 pairs of clean animals, but only 2 pair of unclean. It is God that set that distinction and it has never changed.

Genesis 7
1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Of the consumption and touching of unclean meat, God says do not do it. This comes DIRECTLY FROM GOD. This was NOT nailed to the cross and Jesus never would eat of the unclean. To do so would be to sin.

Isaiah

66 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Reading further down;

16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

God says;

Leviticus 11

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Further down God states;

44For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

God doesn't stop being Holy, and Jesus is and was without sin.

Clearly Jesus didn't do away with what God Himself established. It was the earthy temple and annual holy days that Jesus confounded, they were shadows that pointed to what Christ came to accomplish. Also too the argument about eating clean food meats sacrificed to idol and washing hands before eating all of which Colossians Chapter 2:21 applies too.

Are any of them?

We are to keep God's Law and Ordinances, established by God Himself. Specifically clean and unclean meat and the Ten Commandments. These come DIRECT FROM GOD.

All others, Jesus nailed to the Cross as they were brought about due to mans perpetual sin or as days set up as reminders for men to comply to God through their observance.

My earlier post shows the significance between what remains and what doesn't and why.

These would be the wolves in sheep clothing the Word of God speaks of. Most of them work for a non profit 501c Church which license by the State allows none of them to speak against the policies of the govt such as abortion and onward. They are govt owned. Christianity does not mingle itself with a govt for reward. but many self made pop up pastors do aka short robed Jesuits, that come to destroy the reformation and bring a new Jesus to keep the pagan Catholic Church as the head of all things religious when in actuallity Christians were set free from the ordinances of Temple worship and the hundreds of temple laws added by the Pharisees to burden the people into submission to them. The people are the Church not a non Christian CEO org. that says they only know the will of God, I laugh.

Ive think we've seen the results of letting "you know who" run things.... its not looking too great

What about the mixing of fabrics? I always found that a peculiar one. Do you think it was metaphorical or literal?

1Do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has authority over (LORD’S OVER) a man only as long as he lives?

my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, For when we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, bearing fruit for death

Lord and lord
Two lords

6But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter/written.

No. The plural elohim and the brutality of the old testament is of no interest to me. Even the early Church scholars such as Origin argued to not ever wed the the two religions together because a moral issue of trying to explain away brutal acts that were never done by God, by buy the divine council, bad ets and bad human actors.



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