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I haven't written anything of actual substance for awhile anywhere so here is where I will do it

What is an archetype progenitor? It's someone that uses technology AND magic to change the collective consciousness of mankind, the Zeitgeist itself.

What is a Reality Bender
up until now I've been trying to explain this all under the heading of chaos magick....but people misunderstand me instantly and fundementally when I call it that. Reality bending is much better.

Reality bender merely refers to someone with the ability to manipulate the unseen. Which is actually everybody to some degree. Like any other talent, some people have more of it than others. Also like any other talent, practice helps. fundamentally of course reality bending IS magick, but it is not traditional magick.

traditional magick existed before a huge fundamental shift in consciousness. the cybernetic shift in consciousness forces the genius of ancients to be patched, because all of it were based on tenants that described a former reality actually drastically dissimilar to our own. Even the reality of the thelemists is an alien one compared to this century's, and they are the most recent of traditional practice.

That which is cybernetic is now so adjacent to what most would call "the real", insanity is arising from people's inability to distinguish. . the need to update our definition of "the real world" is only going to get more dramatic, greater. this is true not only of magic but of science and religion and philosophy.

Cybernetic magic/networks

Part of being a reality bender in this modern era is using the new cybernetic form of human experience, one that can go global in seconds, an upgraded form of magick with new principles and properties. Two computer monitors linked by a network are sharing more than just a connection to the same signal. The end user is connected to the other end user, in the mundane sense of interaction but also in the magical sense. philip Dick started perceiving this decades before it became actualized.

If my hypothesis is correct, and maybe one day this can be studied by someone with funding and interest in these topics, than normal remote viewing abilities should be higher between two people in front of a monitor than two people “in the wild”.

What is the natural "Indra's Net" as it were? It's the morphogenetic network, a system of oscillating interconnectivity that occurs naturally by way of existence. this has been alluded to as long as dragon worship/snakes have been around. Some people experience the framework of the morphogenetic "indra's net", when taking DMT/ayahuasca, as extending towards them like snakes. We could call this "indrasnet" the analogue aether.
but there is a new route other than the old “aetheric” or “morphogenetic” network,

The digital aether is brand new and can also work in conjunction with the analogue aether, augmenting the results significantly. This claim is entirely anecdotal and not scientific at all, but I would be utterly fascinated to learn the results of sincere research into 'digitally augmented ESP'.

archetype vs meme

an archetype progenitor, like a meme warrior, is looking to change a much larger collective. Memes have been given many different conceptual illustrations: that they replicate like DNA, that they can spread quickly like a virus, that what they infect people with is ideas. All of that is fine.

But an archetype is not a meme.
"The Zeitgeist of Collective Consciousness" - not a meme, an archetype.
Crowley's word of the aeon, actually.

An archetype is generally a huge mythological omnibus of great significance to humanity as a whole, whether they recognize and accept said influence or not
An example:
the archetype of the mother - may include Isis, Mary Magdalena, Ishtar, or Your specific Mom
You may tell yourself and everyone you ever meet that the archetype of The Mother had no influence on you, but you're a human. it is inescapable for you to be influenced to some degree by this archetype, even if you did not have a mom at all
THAT is the level of impact an archetype has : it is fundamental to human experience, it does not require any conscious scrutiny or acknowledgement. Archetypes seem to change at about the rate that water erodes a canyon, and archetypes tend to be incredibly enduring, like the zodiac.

a MEME:

a your mom joke
'cat videos'
a chad
I think we all know at this point what a meme is. they are incredibly contagious and can "infect" enormous portions of humanity internationally en masse overnight
(this is why we have a memetic warfare department)

However, memes are generally:
superficial in substance
compact
fall off relatively quickly, sometimes in days. (even if one manages to last a few years or a decade, compared to an archetype that is incredibly short lived)

unlike memes, which derive their existence from people knowing about them, an archetype will still influence everyone just as strongly, whether they are known about by said person or not.

for example, you don't need to know there is an Archetype called The Shadow to be controlled by yours. And as a human being, you cannot escape having one - in both the literal and metaphorical sense

progenitor
I think there are very few times there is any need for a NEW archetype. but obviously creating one would be a big deal, perhaps even a temporal paradox.
I would expect the mythological aspect to be experienced similarly to the way Ophiuchus was restored to the zodiac. weirdly conspicuous in its former absence and yet accepted naturally as having always been there
If you created a new archetype, the archetype itself would be a mandala effect
Thread: the zeitgeist of collective consciousness (Page 12)

to fashion yourself as an archetype progenitor, would be frankly incredibly presumptuous
it's more likely that a collective cultural or existential need unique to the dawning of new times becomes responsible for its own creation

So, is that what we are really dicking around with ? is the herald of The New Age a new Archetype?
probably

[addendum 7/7/23]
shadowalking
While I can actually still remember, because I WILL forget, that's how I work...

Labyrinths are more than just really good metaphors for the process of individuation and soul seeking. That is there is an internal labyrinth of course.

But have you ever wondered how to shadow-walk?
Shadow-walking is walking somewhere that doesn't exist, by following a specific pattern, literally walking the pattern.

If you recall....the fourth dimension, if interacting with the third, would only reveal a part of that fourth dimensional object, like a shadow of the fourth dimensional object, as we are constrained to 3D. This is more clear in the flatland analogy where in a 2D world, a 3D object might appear as rapidly flashing line or dots.

Shadow walking relies upon the implicit knowledge that the world is a simulation of course, that the only reason for the inert 'things' around us existing is so we have an experience. We can't control them directly because they factor into an interconnected net of consciousness that results in our consensus reality.

However, it's possible to walk "outside" your own consensus reality, while leaving the interconnected net unaffected. Liminal spaces was me sort of hinting at this. The external world exists to confirm our status in relation to reality. It works based on expectations. But truly, it's not real, and there are hyperverses outside this universe.

By tracing the correct labrynth pattern, you will end up at a ... what do you call this? a place outside time that is not real and you'll probably never find again...or at least that's how I experienced it. If you deliberately orient yourself in relation to reality with 4D in mind, you begin to learn shadowwalking is a thing.

It's not something that I think is always possible though!! the only circumstances where I've accomplished it on my own were not too densely populated by humans. The first time I experienced it, I followed the car in front of me and it led me to the 'non existant place' (that is, never able to find it again) , I don't really consider that me shadow walking. I was led. How did I know to follow the car? It was like telepathy. I just knew. We couldn't find our way, my driving friend was so out of it. I just told him, follow the black car. How did I know it was going to the non existent destination we were bound for and didn't realize was a shadow? because I was supposed to know.

Maybe I'll tell the rest of that story later. a friend called it my
"magic movie theater story"
The movie was star wars by the way.

Anyhow...

That was the person I followed shadowwalking.
But I have shadow walked.
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is this new archetype the son of man? the children of men?

[link to openai.com (secure)]

or perhaps I was talking about The Nob when I referred to a new archetype?

lmao

you decide

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chuckle
https://imgur.com/eGUCOvN

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cause - effect

problem - reaction - solution



materialism has replaced spiritualism mostly.
nobody's ever content.


good for business.


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Do you think it´s by design, that people don´t get too smart and see thru the bullshit?
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Do you think it´s by design, that people don´t get too smart and see thru the bullshit?
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I have sometimes thought that reality protects itself from true discovery. Almost like a mother that doesn't want her children to see her undressed. Or children that don't want to see their mother undressed. Familiarity is comfort, familiarity is home.

Even for whom we call TPTB, familiarity is comfort. The same traditions, the same fraternal orders, the same ancient mystery traditions, the same legacies of wealth since time immemorial.

To see through artifice, requires the ability to sacrifice that familiarity, and sometimes there is an extra peril that questioning reality can lead to madness.

The seeker's quest has great rewards, but there is a price to be paid for success and failure therein.
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Do you think it´s by design, that people don´t get too smart and see thru the bullshit?
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I have sometimes thought that reality protects itself from true discovery. Almost like a mother that doesn't want her children to see her undressed. Or children that don't want to see their mother undressed. Familiarity is comfort, familiarity is home.

Even for whom we call TPTB, familiarity is comfort. The same traditions, the same fraternal orders, the same ancient mystery traditions, the same legacies of wealth since time immemorial.

To see through artifice, requires the ability to sacrifice that familiarity, and sometimes there is an extra peril that questioning reality can lead to madness.

The seeker's quest has great rewards, but there is a price to be paid for success and failure therein.
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There´s a right to know. Where knowledge isn´t given, it can be seached. Many chose not to, and rather stay in a childlike naive state where the simple version is reality.

The games humans play...
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I have sometimes thought that reality protects itself from true discovery. Almost like a mother that doesn't want her children to see her undressed. Or children that don't want to see their mother undressed. Familiarity is comfort, familiarity is home.

Even for whom we call TPTB, familiarity is comfort. The same traditions, the same fraternal orders, the same ancient mystery traditions, the same legacies of wealth since time immemorial.

To see through artifice, requires the ability to sacrifice that familiarity, and sometimes there is an extra peril that questioning reality can lead to madness.

The seeker's quest has great rewards, but there is a price to be paid for success and failure therein.
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Alienation for one. afro

The others might not see things as you do. Even if you´re right.
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I haven't written anything of actual substance for awhile anywhere so here is where I will do it

What is an archetype progenitor? It's someone that uses technology AND magic to change the collective consciousness of mankind, the Zeitgeist itself.

What is a Reality Bender
up until now I've been trying to explain this all under the heading of chaos magick....but people misunderstand me instantly and fundementally when I call it that. Reality bending is much better.

Reality bender merely refers to someone with the ability to manipulate the unseen. Which is actually everybody to some degree. Like any other talent, some people have more of it than others. Also like any other talent, practice helps. fundamentally of course reality bending IS magick, but it is not traditional magick.

traditional magick existed before a huge fundamental shift in consciousness. the cybernetic shift in consciousness forces the genius of ancients to be patched, because all of it were based on tenants that described a former reality actually drastically dissimilar to our own. Even the reality of the thelemists is an alien one compared to this century's, and they are the most recent of traditional practice.

That which is cybernetic is now so adjacent to what most would call "the real", insanity is arising from people's inability to distinguish. . the need to update our definition of "the real world" is only going to get more dramatic, greater. this is true not only of magic but of science and religion and philosophy.

Cybernetic magic/networks

Part of being a reality bender in this modern era is using the new cybernetic form of human experience, one that can go global in seconds, an upgraded form of magick with new principles and properties. Two computer monitors linked by a network are sharing more than just a connection to the same signal. The end user is connected to the other end user, in the mundane sense of interaction but also in the magical sense. philip Dick started perceiving this decades before it became actualized.

If my hypothesis is correct, and maybe one day this can be studied by someone with funding and interest in these topics, than normal remote viewing abilities should be higher between two people in front of a monitor than two people “in the wild”.

What is the natural "Indra's Net" as it were? It's the morphogenetic network, a system of oscillating interconnectivity that occurs naturally by way of existence. this has been alluded to as long as dragon worship/snakes have been around. Some people experience the framework of the morphogenetic "indra's net", when taking DMT/ayahuasca, as extending towards them like snakes. We could call this "indrasnet" the analogue aether.
but there is a new route other than the old “aetheric” or “morphogenetic” network,

The digital aether is brand new and can also work in conjunction with the analogue aether, augmenting the results significantly. This claim is entirely anecdotal and not scientific at all, but I would be utterly fascinated to learn the results of sincere research into 'digitally augmented ESP'.

archetype vs meme

an archetype progenitor, like a meme warrior, is looking to change a much larger collective. Memes have been given many different conceptual illustrations: that they replicate like DNA, that they can spread quickly like a virus, that what they infect people with is ideas. All of that is fine.

But an archetype is not a meme.
"The Zeitgeist of Collective Consciousness" - not a meme, an archetype.
Crowley's word of the aeon, actually.

An archetype is generally a huge mythological omnibus of great significance to humanity as a whole, whether they recognize and accept said influence or not
An example:
the archetype of the mother - may include Isis, Mary Magdalena, Ishtar, or Your specific Mom
You may tell yourself and everyone you ever meet that the archetype of The Mother had no influence on you, but you're a human. it is inescapable for you to be influenced to some degree by this archetype, even if you did not have a mom at all
THAT is the level of impact an archetype has : it is fundamental to human experience, it does not require any conscious scrutiny or acknowledgement. Archetypes seem to change at about the rate that water erodes a canyon, and archetypes tend to be incredibly enduring, like the zodiac.

a MEME:

a your mom joke
'cat videos'
a chad
I think we all know at this point what a meme is. they are incredibly contagious and can "infect" enormous portions of humanity internationally en masse overnight
(this is why we have a memetic warfare department)

However, memes are generally:
superficial in substance
compact
fall off relatively quickly, sometimes in days. (even if one manages to last a few years or a decade, compared to an archetype that is incredibly short lived)

unlike memes, which derive their existence from people knowing about them, an archetype will still influence everyone just as strongly, whether they are known about by said person or not.

for example, you don't need to know there is an Archetype called The Shadow to be controlled by yours. And as a human being, you cannot escape having one - in both the literal and metaphorical sense

progenitor
I think there are very few times there is any need for a NEW archetype. but obviously creating one would be a big deal, perhaps even a temporal paradox.
I would expect the mythological aspect to be experienced similarly to the way Ophiuchus was restored to the zodiac. weirdly conspicuous in its former absence and yet accepted naturally as having always been there
If you created a new archetype, the archetype itself would be a mandala effect

to fashion yourself as an archetype progenitor, would be frankly incredibly presumptuous
it's more likely that a collective cultural or existential need unique to the dawning of new times becomes responsible for its own creation

So, is that what we are really dicking around with ? is the herald of The New Age a new Archetype?
probably
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Point me where I can get a good download on Thelemists.
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Point me where I can get a good download on Thelemists.
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cool2
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Have you watched it yet?

I went looking for it. Prime use to offer it.


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The presumption

Is based on faulty observations
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Wow, an old school intelligent GLP thread.

Green karma for you.
You best start believing in conspiracy theories, you're living in one!
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cool2
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Have you watched it yet?

I went looking for it. Prime use to offer it.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Seer. Watch it. Watch it. Watch it.

I saw it for the first time recently (finished it last night, it's only 13 episodes) - holy hell. I had heard a lot of things, but I honestly get a little teary just thinking about it. It's amazing. More specifically, I think, you'll find some relevance for people like us...

Funimation has it. I don't mind sharing my login with you if you like.

Or...

[link to 9anime.to (secure)]

If you do watch it, I'll be quite excited to talk about it with you...there are some themes that I want to explore on threads at some point but honestly it's worth seeing without too many spoilers

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Wow, an old school intelligent GLP thread.

Green karma for you.
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hf
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Have you watched it yet?

I went looking for it. Prime use to offer it.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Seer. Watch it. Watch it. Watch it.

I saw it for the first time recently (finished it last night, it's only 13 episodes) - holy hell. I had heard a lot of things, but I honestly get a little teary just thinking about it. It's amazing. More specifically, I think, you'll find some relevance for people like us...

Funimation has it. I don't mind sharing my login with you if you like.

Or...

[link to 9anime.to (secure)]

If you do watch it, I'll be quite excited to talk about it with you...there are some themes that I want to explore on threads at some point but honestly it's worth seeing without too many spoilers
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Okay. I noticed you can buy it on AppleTV. $18 isn’t bad. I’d rather watch it on a bigger screen or does Roku support Funimation?

I’ll try the first episode at your link..


I stumbled on it last weekend. Glad you picked up on it.

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Okay. I noticed you can buy it on AppleTV. $18 isn’t bad. I’d rather watch it on a bigger screen or does Roku support Funimation?

I’ll try the first episode at your link..


I stumbled on it last weekend. Glad you picked up on it.

cool2
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Roku definitely supports funimation kitty

By the by, pretty sure there is a free trial for that app, so you may be able to get away with that.

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honestly though, owning it wouldn't be so bad 1dunno1
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It’s $28 on AppleTV and Funimation is supported on Roku.

I started a free trail on Funimation. Starting it now.

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honestly though, owning it wouldn't be so bad 1dunno1
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You do have to subscribe to watch. $9.99 is better than $28. Starting it now.



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honestly though, owning it wouldn't be so bad 1dunno1
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You do have to subscribe to watch. $9.99 is better than $28. Starting it now.



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Will be interested to hear your take on it. cool2
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Will be interested to hear your take on it. cool2
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Just finished the first episode. Incredible animation style. Very engaging and hard to look away even with all the distractions.. Ghost in the machine topic, right on time.

The episodes are pretty short.


If you want, make me a list of others I should watch now that I have a subscription to Funimation. :)
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Thanks.
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It seems to me there are some profound misunderstandings here !
The one video clip I watched bizarrely claimed that the earth could acquire a " wireless neural network " in the future with all people connected. This is surely the ultimate human-centric fallacy. The Earth is not human. Humans are but one species amongst the dazzling array it supports. There is no requirement on the part of the planet for a neural network. If there was, it would have one.
Consciousness has changed from previous times you say, certainly it has, and so the magic of the past has no relevance. Magic has little or nothing to do with consciousness. The shaman, the witch doctor, the sybils, the medicine man, the oracular priests and priestesses, the prophets, the sadhu, they do not speak from consciousness, but from out of it. The revelations do not come from consciousness, but from its reverse.
Consciousness, in the modern era - some hundreds of years old now, Descartes with his battle cry I think therefore I am - has steadily ousted all the other ways of perception a human is endowed with, cutting mankind off from his primal connection with the planet, and producing the current state of affairs where destruction, alienation, perversion, and materialism reign supreme.
Regarding the idea that two people on computers could potentially be linked not only by their digital interaction, but in a new cyber-magical sense, I would say that is impossible. The electro magnetic radiation coming off our devices, and our increasing exposure to them, is profoundly affecting our own inbuilt systems. The ancients called this the spirit body, more recently in the Theosophists time, the aura, we might think of it as a force field, extending beyond the physical body and normally invisible, but it can be seen by those who know how.. It is like a white or grey cloud or mist. Alarmingly, recent viewings show it to be infiltrated with random bright blue flashes, or zig zag lines after tech screen exposure.
Damaged senses will not make magical connections with other humans, nor with the planet, the cosmos, and the infinite via the cyber route.
Hive mind, neural networks are not the ultimate goal of humanity, but of something else.
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Will be interested to hear your take on it. cool2
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Just finished the first episode. Incredible animation style. Very engaging and hard to look away even with all the distractions.. Ghost in the machine topic, right on time.

The episodes are pretty short.


If you want, make me a list of others I should watch now that I have a subscription to Funimation. :)
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I will! I'll go through my watchlist there tonight.
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It seems to me there are some profound misunderstandings here !
The one video clip I watched bizarrely claimed that the earth could acquire a " wireless neural network " in the future with all people connected. This is surely the ultimate human-centric fallacy. The Earth is not human. Humans are but one species amongst the dazzling array it supports. There is no requirement on the part of the planet for a neural network. If there was, it would have one.
Consciousness has changed from previous times you say, certainly it has, and so the magic of the past has no relevance. Magic has little or nothing to do with consciousness. The shaman, the witch doctor, the sybils, the medicine man, the oracular priests and priestesses, the prophets, the sadhu, they do not speak from consciousness, but from out of it. The revelations do not come from consciousness, but from its reverse.
Consciousness, in the modern era - some hundreds of years old now, Descartes with his battle cry I think therefore I am - has steadily ousted all the other ways of perception a human is endowed with, cutting mankind off from his primal connection with the planet, and producing the current state of affairs where destruction, alienation, perversion, and materialism reign supreme.
Regarding the idea that two people on computers could potentially be linked not only by their digital interaction, but in a new cyber-magical sense, I would say that is impossible. The electro magnetic radiation coming off our devices, and our increasing exposure to them, is profoundly affecting our own inbuilt systems. The ancients called this the spirit body, more recently in the Theosophists time, the aura, we might think of it as a force field, extending beyond the physical body and normally invisible, but it can be seen by those who know how.. It is like a white or grey cloud or mist. Alarmingly, recent viewings show it to be infiltrated with random bright blue flashes, or zig zag lines after tech screen exposure.
Damaged senses will not make magical connections with other humans, nor with the planet, the cosmos, and the infinite via the cyber route.
Hive mind, neural networks are not the ultimate goal of humanity, but of something else.
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I believe it does have one, but comprised of more than just humanity. I believe the "neural network" of earth is comprised of every organism on it, not just humankind. I believe that earth as an entirety is a larger collective of a nested system, similar to how our bodies are larger systems comprised of smaller parts like cells, muscles, and organs.

With respect to the bolded portion, have you actually tried it? I have. We are electric entities. Consciousness is neither in the material nor the cybernetic world. Consciousness is capable of utilizing that which it can imagine and that which it wills. It is merely a matter of imagination. The utilization of digital networks may not sound appealing to you, many traditionalists argue the same thing.

But as for, "whether it works" -
Yes. It works, in my experience.
Purely anecdotal, but that's more than enough for me to make use of.

I am not here to "prove" these concepts - rather, I am offering a sort of theoretical approach, for those who are interested, to perhaps try. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. That's fine.

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Re: the zeitgeist of collective consciousness
It seems to me there are some profound misunderstandings here !
The one video clip I watched bizarrely claimed that the earth could acquire a " wireless neural network " in the future with all people connected. This is surely the ultimate human-centric fallacy. The Earth is not human. Humans are but one species amongst the dazzling array it supports. There is no requirement on the part of the planet for a neural network. If there was, it would have one.
Consciousness has changed from previous times you say, certainly it has, and so the magic of the past has no relevance. Magic has little or nothing to do with consciousness. The shaman, the witch doctor, the sybils, the medicine man, the oracular priests and priestesses, the prophets, the sadhu, they do not speak from consciousness, but from out of it. The revelations do not come from consciousness, but from its reverse.
Consciousness, in the modern era - some hundreds of years old now, Descartes with his battle cry I think therefore I am - has steadily ousted all the other ways of perception a human is endowed with, cutting mankind off from his primal connection with the planet, and producing the current state of affairs where destruction, alienation, perversion, and materialism reign supreme.
Regarding the idea that two people on computers could potentially be linked not only by their digital interaction, but in a new cyber-magical sense, I would say that is impossible. The electro magnetic radiation coming off our devices, and our increasing exposure to them, is profoundly affecting our own inbuilt systems. The ancients called this the spirit body, more recently in the Theosophists time, the aura, we might think of it as a force field, extending beyond the physical body and normally invisible, but it can be seen by those who know how.. It is like a white or grey cloud or mist. Alarmingly, recent viewings show it to be infiltrated with random bright blue flashes, or zig zag lines after tech screen exposure.
Damaged senses will not make magical connections with other humans, nor with the planet, the cosmos, and the infinite via the cyber route.
Hive mind, neural networks are not the ultimate goal of humanity, but of something else.
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Yes...it's taken from a conspiracy theory from the late 50's that suggested a supercomputer sent synthetic bots throughout the universe to collect any and all relevant data.

Its formulated from a much earlier materialists idea that if the ability to map and redesign or structure reality. It would essentially become a self enforcing simulation or loop.

See: Maxwell's demon, hypothetical intelligent being (or a functionally equivalent device) capable of detecting and reacting to the motions of individual molecules. It was imagined by James Clerk Maxwell in 1871, to illustrate the possibility of violating the second law of thermodynamics.
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Will be interested to hear your take on it. cool2
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Just finished the first episode. Incredible animation style. Very engaging and hard to look away even with all the distractions.. Ghost in the machine topic, right on time.

The episodes are pretty short.


If you want, make me a list of others I should watch now that I have a subscription to Funimation. :)
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By the way - I know its dorky, but if you can still enjoy it with subtitles, I 100% recommend switching the language to japanese
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I have a friend at work who´s studied Japanese at school.
Quite rare in Finland.

Lively positive character.





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