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the zeitgeist of collective consciousness

 
waycation

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He's grinning and
you won't guess why -
But this is how

a black sun smiles



Who is it?
 Quoting: waycation


1dunno1
anyone really
if they see it
 Quoting: Skyracula


Could be a twisted homeless druggie. The flush drug dealer?

The bank/system that threw them (the homeless) to the street?


Can´t be a monk like zen person because the reference to the "black sun". imo
 Quoting: waycation


You don't know what the black sun is.
Its an alchemical concept.
Think the pupil of your eye.
Think inner sun.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Or, an anti sun. Like depicted in the yin yang.
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1dunno1
anyone really
if they see it
 Quoting: Skyracula


Could be a twisted homeless druggie. The flush drug dealer?

The bank/system that threw them (the homeless) to the street?


Can´t be a monk like zen person because the reference to the "black sun". imo
 Quoting: waycation


You don't know what the black sun is.
Its an alchemical concept.
Think the pupil of your eye.
Think inner sun.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Or, an anti sun. Like depicted in the yin yang.
 Quoting: waycation


I think you're thinking about it like, "Evil sun" because it's the black sun.
There's a lot more nuance to this symbol...
Think of what an anti sun means.
The sun is outside and it collides with our pupils that translate that sun's light and heat into an image of the world. but what does that translation? it doesn't occur until the information passes a "portal" of sorts - I think of the pupil as mini black holes that data passes through - it ends up in another universe, the universe within us. a black sun, shines from the inside out instead of the outside in
are you a manichean or something?
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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1dunno1
anyone really
if they see it
 Quoting: Skyracula


Could be a twisted homeless druggie. The flush drug dealer?

The bank/system that threw them (the homeless) to the street?


Can´t be a monk like zen person because the reference to the "black sun". imo
 Quoting: waycation


You don't know what the black sun is.
Its an alchemical concept.
Think the pupil of your eye.
Think inner sun.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Or, an anti sun. Like depicted in the yin yang.
 Quoting: waycation


I think you're thinking about it like, "Evil sun" because it's the black sun.
There's a lot more nuance to this symbol...
Think of what an anti sun means.
The sun is outside and it collides with our pupils that translate that sun's light and heat into an image of the world. but what does that translation? it doesn't occur until the information passes a "portal" of sorts - I think of the pupil as mini black holes that data passes through - it ends up in another universe, the universe within us. our brain and conscious don't just recieve the data, we reconstruct it completely. a black sun, shines from the inside out instead of the outside in
are you a Manichean or something?

Last Edited by Skyracula on 09/19/2023 10:46 AM
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
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"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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Re: the zeitgeist of collective consciousness
A matter of interpretation.
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A matter of interpretation.
 Quoting: waycation


I guess, but again, this is an ancient esoteric symbol, it does have a meaning....
and that meaning isn't "evil sun"
but this is the whole point of the poem
people seeing disgrace and evil where none exists

Last Edited by Skyracula on 09/19/2023 10:47 AM
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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Could be a twisted homeless druggie. The flush drug dealer?

The bank/system that threw them (the homeless) to the street?


Can´t be a monk like zen person because the reference to the "black sun". imo
 Quoting: waycation


You don't know what the black sun is.
Its an alchemical concept.
Think the pupil of your eye.
Think inner sun.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Or, an anti sun. Like depicted in the yin yang.
 Quoting: waycation


I think you're thinking about it like, "Evil sun" because it's the black sun.
There's a lot more nuance to this symbol...
Think of what an anti sun means.
The sun is outside and it collides with our pupils that translate that sun's light and heat into an image of the world. but what does that translation? it doesn't occur until the information passes a "portal" of sorts - I think of the pupil as mini black holes that data passes through - it ends up in another universe, the universe within us. our brain and conscious don't just recieve the data, we reconstruct it completely. a black sun, shines from the inside out instead of the outside in
are you a Manichean or something?
 Quoting: Skyracula

eeeehhh no. Lol

Had to look it up.
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manly p hall:

Apuleius said when describing his initiation (vide ante): "At midnight I saw the sun shining with a splendid light." The midnight sun was also part of the mystery of alchemy. It symbolized the spirit in man shining through the darkness of his human organisms.

It also referred to the spiritual sun in the solar system, which the mystic could see as well at midnight as at high noon, the material earth bring powerless to obstruct the rays of this Divine orb.

The mysterious lights which illuminated the temples of the Egyptian Mysteries during the nocturnal hours were said by some to he reflections of the spiritual sun gathered by the magical powers of the priests.

The weird light seen ten miles below the surface of the earth by I-AM-THE-MAN in that remarkable Masonic allegory Etidorhpa (Aphrodite spelt backward) may well refer to the mysterious midnight sun of the ancient rites.
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"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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A matter of interpretation.
 Quoting: waycation


I guess, but again, this is an ancient esoteric symbol, it does have a meaning....
and that meaning isn't "evil sun"
but this is the whole point of the poem
people seeing disgrace and evil where none exists
 Quoting: Skyracula


We don´t have homelessness in scandinavia, really.

Things are done differently.

Are you sayin' the state of philly isn´t a disgrace?
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A matter of interpretation.
 Quoting: waycation


I guess, but again, this is an ancient esoteric symbol, it does have a meaning....
and that meaning isn't "evil sun"
but this is the whole point of the poem
people seeing disgrace and evil where none exists
 Quoting: Skyracula


We don´t have homelessness in scandinavia, really.

Things are done differently.

Are you sayin' the state of philly isn´t a disgrace?
 Quoting: waycation


you can say systems are disgraced, but not people.
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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If I have correctly understood his ideas, the 'midday sun'
corresponds to 'the manifested' and 'the midnight (black) sun' to 'the
unmanifested', (to use the terms of his translator.)

I quote: 'since the 'culmination ' of the visable sun takes place
at midday, that of the 'spiritual sun' can be considered symbolically as
taking place at midnight..'

In the chapter 'The Cave and the World Egg', when discussing the
'athanor' he equates by implication the Sun to the solar order and the
'midnight' or 'black sun' to the 'polar' order: (to the third birth or
'sublimation'.)

In another article, 'The Black and White' he returns to the idea
pointing out that in the Katha Upanishad Arjuna is the White and Krishna
the Black - 'those who know Brahma call them darkness and light'.
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the black sun is cthonic like a woman
we are the dark in the yin yang
but dark isn't good or bad here
it's a fundemental force
the female aspect goes deep, goes within
this is what the midnight sun is about
the interior of the earth is like a woman's womb
we are alike in structure and function,
that is why symbols have ascriptions
like woman are lunar because our periods are regulated by the moon, just as the waves of an ocean
there's real reasons symbols correspond to this or that in heremtic tradition

Last Edited by Skyracula on 09/19/2023 10:54 AM
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
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"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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A matter of interpretation.
 Quoting: waycation


I guess, but again, this is an ancient esoteric symbol, it does have a meaning....
and that meaning isn't "evil sun"
but this is the whole point of the poem
people seeing disgrace and evil where none exists
 Quoting: Skyracula


We don´t have homelessness in scandinavia, really.

Things are done differently.

Are you sayin' the state of philly isn´t a disgrace?
 Quoting: waycation


you can say systems are disgraced, but not people.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Nuissance to normal operating local people?

Camping in their yards? Shitting everywhere?

Something´s wrong here K.
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I guess, but again, this is an ancient esoteric symbol, it does have a meaning....
and that meaning isn't "evil sun"
but this is the whole point of the poem
people seeing disgrace and evil where none exists
 Quoting: Skyracula


We don´t have homelessness in scandinavia, really.

Things are done differently.

Are you sayin' the state of philly isn´t a disgrace?
 Quoting: waycation


you can say systems are disgraced, but not people.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Nuissance to normal operating local people?

Camping in their yards? Shitting everywhere?

Something´s wrong here K.
 Quoting: waycation


We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point.
Broken system = broken people

Last Edited by Skyracula on 09/19/2023 10:57 AM
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
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"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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More than "broken".

It´s rigged. Taking advantage of the weak and innocent.

Predators.
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https://imgur.com/Df683Af

^but really we must remember, we're a portal, amazingly we barely see any of the actual material world "out there". our brain takes a tiny tiny amount of data and renders the whole world for you. your presence in this world warps its foundation, to the extent you cultivate spirit, I think



https://imgur.com/fcw6ND9

^as we explore not outer space, but interspace
the extradimensional is more prevalent than the extraterrestrial...


https://imgur.com/DQvobOg

^this hyperdimensional labyrinth is what venus showed me in a vision in 2014. but it was fully immersive, and zooming into infinite configurations like a highly elaborated fractal
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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I think this one is a singularity

https://imgur.com/ryI4fkx

"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
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"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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We see a rendering. Yes. cool2
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The material world we see. But only a fraction of possible energies.



Reality simplified. Easier to cope.
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"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
-Walt Whitman

"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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hi
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twice a lengthy comment got lost and me banned.

about a dream i had several days ago, and the images you posted.
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two separate lengthy comments gone, and zero explanation. oh well.
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twice a lengthy comment got lost and me banned.

about a dream i had several days ago, and the images you posted.
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it's called autoban
some words are autobanned
they ban you if you post them and your post doesn't work
if you're an upgraded user you dont get banned and can just edit it in
my old username is actually an autobanned word...

Last Edited by Skyracula on 09/19/2023 01:17 PM
"Do I contradict myself? Very well. I am vast, I contain multitudes."
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"Vision looks inward and becomes duty. Vision looks outward and becomes aspiration. Vision looks upward and becomes faith."
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thoth
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hmm. idk which word it was. that was the only one that i thought maybe it was.
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just random descriptors. oh well.
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there was a very bright portal in the sky like the sun only bigger with multicolored aura swirling round it in my dream that was very cool
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right before i went outside to see it, i was watching this strange television program about thoth, in the dream
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