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Boy that is a weird one for sure. I have seen this problem on other cars, I would for sure change the air fiter as well as the fuel filter and see if that makes any difference before going forward. If the car is not coding then it is a hardware issue
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Fuel filter or oil pump imho-

Unless a computer error that is your main source of needs-

Otherwise you're gonna need a new block cause it's starting to seize-
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2015 Honda with 3.5 L engine "Earth dreams".

Engine will rarely, like once per trip, stumble when warm and idling in gear at a light. Then the engine revs up to stay running I guess.

I have a pretty decent 2 way scan tool. No codes.

I was getting a fair number of cylinder misfires. Changed the plugs and the coils. Mileage is around 50,000 miles. Impeccably maintained.

I can't find the source of the occasional stumble. It is actually a little dangerous, because when it revs the engine, I am at a light or something and would not like to suddenly lurch through a red light.

The other day it did it at a drive through car wash, right when the guy was in front of my hood. I instantly popped it into neutral and stood on the brake. The guy was obviously scared.

I tried a crank position relearn, as this scan tool is supposed to have that ability, but it would not work.

LIke I said, if I drive the car for a half hour trip, it will do this one time. The rest of the time the car runs perfect.

It seemed to do better when I disconnected the battery and let everything reboot, but the issue has returned.

I disabled the cylinder management system with a little $100 device I bought a couple years ago (it fools the cylinder management system into thinking the engine is not warm yet. ) , but the problem is recent, so I think unrelated.
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Just watched the first couple minutes of this one...sounds like exactly what you are experiencing...see if it will be helplful;


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Yes, I has seen this video before. I even have the Thinkdiag-2 scanner he was promoting. For some reason, it will not do a crank position relearn for me. Not sure why.
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Fuel filter or oil pump imho-

Unless a computer error that is your main source of needs-

Otherwise you're gonna need a new block cause it's starting to seize-
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If it was the fuel filter, the problem would be at high engine speed, not idle. I think.
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Clogged IACV?

Maybe the spool over by the fuel rail is also gunky?
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Seems like that air valve should be giving a repeatable problem. This issue is very intermittent. LIke once every 30 to 40 minutes of driving.
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OK, I will clean the throttle body, and then try to find the idle control valve to make sure I get the right one from Rock Auto or whereever..

Might be getting time for a new air filter as well.

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Clogged IACV?

Maybe the spool over by the fuel rail is also gunky?
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Seems like that air valve should be giving a repeatable problem. This issue is very intermittent. LIke once every 30 to 40 minutes of driving.
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Could be due to the computer being confused by the breathing prob.
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OK, I will clean the throttle body, and then try to find the idle control valve to make sure I get the right one from Rock Auto or whereever..

Might be getting time for a new air filter as well.
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locate that screen in the IACV and clean it before replacing anything.
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The IACV is at the end of the breather tube.
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Everyone can use a little breather.


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Suggest you visit this site to get answers:

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Thanks

Me, it wants an email etc. Never mind.
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Yeah because burner emails are so difficult to set up
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Pressure build up on fuel system maybe. Try loosening your gas cap just a bit
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Can't even find the idle control valve. Just took a look. All sorts of strange crap in there. Obviously this is reverse engineered alien technology. :)

I might be able to at least get at the throttle plate to clean it. But I am supposed to be working, plus a huge thunderstorm is about to hit.

Will resume later.


Thanks for all the replies.
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Can't even find the idle control valve. Just took a look. All sorts of strange crap in there. Obviously this is reverse engineered alien technology. :)

I might be able to at least get at the throttle plate to clean it. But I am supposed to be working, plus a huge thunderstorm is about to hit.

Will resume later.


Thanks for all the replies.
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Don't summon GLP unless your ready to work, boy!!
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huh
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OK, I will clean the throttle body, and then try to find the idle control valve to make sure I get the right one from Rock Auto or whereever..

Might be getting time for a new air filter as well.
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Another video that might help

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OK, I will clean the throttle body, and then try to find the idle control valve to make sure I get the right one from Rock Auto or whereever..

Might be getting time for a new air filter as well.
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Another video that might help


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Thanks, that is very helpful.
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Re: OK, my turn to ask a car question.
A/C on or off?

Many vehicles will appear to stumble, and then idle will increase when A/C compressor kicks on.

Might even be an intermittent wiring issue, calling for A/C compressor.
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Just a quick update.

The problem resolved by itself.

Didn't have to replace the idle air control valve or even clean the throttle body.

Did the relearn functions on anything I could get access to with the scan tool and no more idle stumble. Car never ran better, even when new.

Thanks for the help. I am sure the idle air valve will need replaced someday, But not today. :)

Not too many Top Gun quotes from the latest movie. That's the only one I can think of.

The car is crazy fast now. I feel the need, the need, for speed. :)

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seafoam, in the gas, and also in the top where air enters engine, get the can with u shaped sprayer, and add to oil and drive some, then change oil. really works well.
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seafoam, in the gas, and also in the top where air enters engine, get the can with u shaped sprayer, and add to oil and drive some, then change oil. really works well.
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Seafoam is great stuff. Never tried it on a car though.
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If you did plugs and wires, I would look at the fuel filter.
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Likely has plugged catalytic converters. Known v6 Honda problem. Have a stealership check it out, the fix is free if below 150000 kms on your odometer.
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If you did plugs and wires, I would look at the fuel filter.
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It's running like a raped ape.

No need to mess with anything at the moment.
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I had a 1991 Accord that suddenly was occasionally stumbling and backfiring, especially when accelerating from a stop. Long story short, there was water in the gas, and it came from a gas station like that.

Before figuring it out I took it to several mechanics, NOT ONE correctly diagnosed it. They all wanted to play a guessing game and do expensive repairs.

ISO-HEET water remover FIXED IT. I bought several bottles and put in a bottle at every fill-up. It improved after the first bottle, but took several bottles and fill ups to completely fix the problem.
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I had a 1991 Accord that suddenly was occasionally stumbling and backfiring, especially when accelerating from a stop. Long story short, there was water in the gas, and it came from a gas station like that.

Before figuring it out I took it to several mechanics, NOT ONE correctly diagnosed it. They all wanted to play a guessing game and do expensive repairs.

ISO-HEET water remover FIXED IT. I bought several bottles and put in a bottle at every fill-up. It improved after the first bottle, but took several bottles and fill ups to completely fix the problem.
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I answered that before I saw it was resolved.
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Re: OK, my turn to ask a car question.
2015 Honda with 3.5 L engine "Earth dreams".

Engine will rarely, like once per trip, stumble when warm and idling in gear at a light. Then the engine revs up to stay running I guess.

I have a pretty decent 2 way scan tool. No codes.

I was getting a fair number of cylinder misfires. Changed the plugs and the coils. Mileage is around 50,000 miles. Impeccably maintained.

I can't find the source of the occasional stumble. It is actually a little dangerous, because when it revs the engine, I am at a light or something and would not like to suddenly lurch through a red light.

The other day it did it at a drive through car wash, right when the guy was in front of my hood. I instantly popped it into neutral and stood on the brake. The guy was obviously scared.

I tried a crank position relearn, as this scan tool is supposed to have that ability, but it would not work.

LIke I said, if I drive the car for a half hour trip, it will do this one time. The rest of the time the car runs perfect.

It seemed to do better when I disconnected the battery and let everything reboot, but the issue has returned.

I disabled the cylinder management system with a little $100 device I bought a couple years ago (it fools the cylinder management system into thinking the engine is not warm yet. ) , but the problem is recent, so I think unrelated.
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You need to check either the idle air control valve or the electronic gas pedal. I'm going to guess it's the idle air control
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This right here. It's either a throttle position sensor issue or idle control.

A 3rd possibility is it could be from bad gas or vehicle needs a fuel system flush with some good fuel additive like Lucas Deep Clean, BG, Amsoil, Royal purple.
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Computer and scan tool will not report or detect fuel related issues...Only electrical problems, and that doesn't include even low fuel pressure from a weak fuel pump...Clogged injector or sticky injector, or series of injectors will likely be the cause of random multiple misfires detected...

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Computer and scan tool will not report or detect fuel related issues...Only electrical problems, and that doesn't include even low fuel pressure from a weak fuel pump...Clogged injector or sticky injector, or series of injectors will likely be the cause of random multiple misfires detected...
 Quoting: BRIEF


The amount of data this scan tool gives is mind blowing.

Fuel pressure actually is provided if I recall correctly.

It gives an incredible amount of live data.

I never had any codes, it was just me noticing a stumble when stopped at a red light. For a dongle costing under $100, and containing full data for all vehicles (free for the first year), it is pretty impressive.

Basically does what the expensive $5000 scan tools used to do.

Maybe a bit more poking around to find the various features, and it has to use your cell phone as the display and interface.

I only bought it to confirm that the coil packs were having issues before replacing them.

The bi directional features are amazing. Send a signal to turn something on or off and it happens. Not sure what all it can do. But it is a LOT more than I expected.

I should carry it around in my pocket. If someone's car has an issue, I can just say, "Excuse me while I whip this out". :)



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Re: OK, my turn to ask a car question.
Clogged IACV?

Maybe the spool over by the fuel rail is also gunky?
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It would not have one since it has an elec. throttle body but you are on the right track. First thing OP, clean the throttle body.
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2015 Honda with 3.5 L engine "Earth dreams".

Engine will rarely, like once per trip, stumble when warm and idling in gear at a light. Then the engine revs up to stay running I guess.

I have a pretty decent 2 way scan tool. No codes.

I was getting a fair number of cylinder misfires. Changed the plugs and the coils. Mileage is around 50,000 miles. Impeccably maintained.

I can't find the source of the occasional stumble. It is actually a little dangerous, because when it revs the engine, I am at a light or something and would not like to suddenly lurch through a red light.

The other day it did it at a drive through car wash, right when the guy was in front of my hood. I instantly popped it into neutral and stood on the brake. The guy was obviously scared.

I tried a crank position relearn, as this scan tool is supposed to have that ability, but it would not work.

LIke I said, if I drive the car for a half hour trip, it will do this one time. The rest of the time the car runs perfect.

It seemed to do better when I disconnected the battery and let everything reboot, but the issue has returned.

I disabled the cylinder management system with a little $100 device I bought a couple years ago (it fools the cylinder management system into thinking the engine is not warm yet. ) , but the problem is recent, so I think unrelated.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


You need to check either the idle air control valve or the electronic gas pedal. I'm going to guess it's the idle air control
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