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former head of the most internationally esteemed DID research organization believes in Manchurian candidates
Iatrogenic DID (induced, programmed, guided, created)

Have you ever considered that iatrogenic DID could be weaponized?
Iatrogenic means: created by a doctor or therapist, and not pre existing before.

Most people take that to mean that - this is how the public knows it - that in the past, particularly during the satanic panic, therapists induced iatrogenic DID through very poor practice.

This is true. However, at that same exact time, there were agencies looking to deliberately perfect the shoddy work of those good-intentioned therapists, with extra science.

Iatrogenic DID, presents with the exact same symptoms as natural DID, is as "real" as it needs to be (the disorder is categorized by symptoms so - if the symptoms are genuine, it doesn't matter whether it's natural or iatrogenic; it's functional).

There is proof that the CIA tried to induce an operationally functional dissociative disorder. The project was named BLUEBIRD, it was a subproject of MK Ultra.

https://imgur.com/XvdJEt2


In the 1950s, the well known MK Ultra experiments were conducted – the project was active between 1953 and 1964.
One of the sub projects of the MK Ultra umbrella was the intentional creation of DID in potential agents.

the worst part? People assume they failed.

[link to psycnet.apa.org (secure)] “The experimental induction of a multiple personality” – whether it’s quack shit or not….
I think it’s extremely important to remember it was an explicit intention on the part of these scientists.

Colin Ross

Some background: this guy is the head of the ISSTD : [link to www.isst-d.org (secure)]
the most well respected and established association for the study of DID in the world
And colin ross knows what mind control programming is, and believes it is real without a doubt

https://imgur.com/6FBa1sA

Can you spot the book that says, "The CIA doctors"?
Well, this guy has really deep delved into not just trauma/dissociation disorders, but serious history of how a couple of real documented Manchurian candidates were created - he knows the subject of MK Ultra like the back of his hand. His books are extremely well referenced and informative. Everything he says is backed up by references.

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)] (The CIA Doctors: Human Rights Violations by American Psychiatrists)
[link to www.amazon.com (secure)] (Bluebird : Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists )

Get THIS: I didn't even know that Colin Ross who was the head of the ISSTD was literally the guy whose books I read in 2021 about the deliberate creation of DID. I didn't connect those dots at all. The screenshot from youtube was the moment I connected the dots. I was like holy shit.
The leader of the fucking international research institution for the study of trauma and dissociation
100% is aware of programmed DID.

And by the way, here's a quote from him at the end of "The CIA Doctors":
It is important that the CIA and military have mind control programs in place.
 Quoting: Colin Ross, The Cia Doctors




think about it..... this guy, who is the international leader in studying DID says that it can be programmed into perfectly healthy, normal people via classical mind control techniques

Think about it.

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he is a clever guy



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mk ultra can be called military knowledge ultra and it is global military tradition
in the 1930s onwards our sciences in the german reich where experiencing hitchhiker affect from their occult sciences and the mk ultra technique was introduced into implementation to protect the high command from contamination through hitchhiker affects
we can link the mk ultra notion to skinwalker ranch and disclosure today for similar reason as it was back in those days
you can imagine the mkultra programme is pretty sophisticated today with several generations of families participation into what we have today

this today we can say
 Quoting: esy


mk multi personalities expereince more emotional information that 99.9999999% of world population because they are structured to remain coherent whilst being 8 or more personalities each with individual memory that provides the mk with no overview memory
handlers only see that
and that difference enables the mk to remain coherent when they are emotionally interacting with non human intelligences that include a lot of information in everything that they say which the multi personality mk gets to understand utilizing their multi view expereince to translate

we can think like that
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Sidney Gottlieb (August 3, 1918 – March 7, 1999) was an American chemist and spymaster who headed the Central Intelligence Agency's 1950s and 1960s assassination attempts and mind-control program, known as Project MKUltra.
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Sirhan Sirhan
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Sirhan Sirhan
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ohyeah

popular conception is that all these programs were massive failures.

Simply not so.
The LSD focus everyone talks about with those programs is a red herring, few people look further.
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Read our listen to the greenbaum speech...
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white walks red...
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from the political risk view
is it safer to have governance over a bewildered population
or
is it safer to have governance of a population certain of the wrong thing
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is ai the fall guy
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he is a clever guy


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It's ALL in the eyes.

Easy to tell what is and who isn't in conscious control of their faculties.


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This one is machine and nerve and has its mind concluded.
This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded.
I? I am a monument to all your sins.
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It's ALL in the eyes.

Easy to tell what is and who isn't in conscious control of their faculties.


 Quoting: Vafþrúðnir



Well...
Yes.
It is all in the eyes.
Dissociation and hypnosis are both evident by way of looking at the eyes.

With dissociation, and thereby hypnosis since its directed dissociation, the focal plane of the eyes tends fix on nothing...
Thats one thing.
But in general, it is a little hard to describe how you can tell.
I can tell - it's a know it when you see it type of look.
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he just so happens to have his base of operations out of texas, too.
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It's ALL in the eyes.

Easy to tell what is and who isn't in conscious control of their faculties.


 Quoting: Vafþrúðnir



Well...
Yes.
It is all in the eyes.
Dissociation and hypnosis are both evident by way of looking at the eyes.

With dissociation, and thereby hypnosis since its directed dissociation, the focal plane of the eyes tends fix on nothing...
Thats one thing.
But in general, it is a little hard to describe how you can tell.
I can tell - it's a know it when you see it type of look.
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she sort of describes it
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There is another interesting factoid I read in his book, "The CIA Doctors"...

I'm certain everyone here is familiar with Candy Jones, she probably one of the first people most find when investigating this subject.

Well, Colin Ross speculated that she had full blown DID before she was used in mind control operations, which is rather curious, since as I mentioned above, the idea of creating DID was aimed to be achieved in healthy, not otherwise psychiatrically compromised adults.

Her case has never been proven of course, but...
My theory in the past was either:

1) someone who'd had pre existing DID would not be ideal to use, because they would be too complicated to work with

0r

2) someone who'd had pre existing DID would be easier to work with, because they had pre existing trauma to use as a handle of sorts

rex

I mean those are basically two opposite statements, but...

I have my own theory, which is that Candy was the model of a monarch subject rather than a manchurian -
I have a theory that monarch subjects are typically female because we dissociate more readily.
Perhaps monarch subjects more ideally have this in their background, whereas "programmed assassins" are more ideally, males, perhaps without full blown DID before being subject to such programming

pure utter speculation, but I wonder what others think
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Cognitive Warfare: Maneuvering in the Human Dimension
By Majors Andrew MacDonald and Ryan Ratcliffe, U.S. Marine Corps
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mk ultra is integral to national security
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Well...
Yes.
It is all in the eyes.
Dissociation and hypnosis are both evident by way of looking at the eyes.

With dissociation, and thereby hypnosis since its directed dissociation, the focal plane of the eyes tends fix on nothing...
Thats one thing.
But in general, it is a little hard to describe how you can tell.
I can tell - it's a know it when you see it type of look.
 Quoting: Skyracula


Yes and taking it a step or three further by becoming adept at discerning their 'tells' extraphysically and exotemporally keeps us informed of potential concerns or intent in prudent advance.

We're far from helpless in any of this.

We have Agency, too.

Good thread.
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Cognitive Warfare: Maneuvering in the Human Dimension
By Majors Andrew MacDonald and Ryan Ratcliffe, U.S. Marine Corps
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mk ultra is integral to national security
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...

It was quiet enough for a while there I started to wonder if someone or thing that usually entangles, had died.

It feels like someone is missing to me.

It gets strong for me multiple times a day but not constant which is often where the problems start.

Trying to find a balance with it, has been a 10+ year roller coaster.
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To be honest...if I could forget, and not get the memories randomly resurfacing...I think I would probably choose to forget. I'm not sure.
I have been practicing "thought stopping" - so when some things come up, I just talk over the memory until it sort of stops. It's not that effective though, because they tend to pester and intrude (during some times more than others)
Part of the reason I was spending 12 hours a day occupying my active mind with a game and my passive mind with the audio of a podcast or youtube was literally to eliminate the space where thoughts could intrude at all.

The topic was... and actually, it relates to my most recent thread:
the current obsession gen Z has with being mentally ill
r/fakedisordercringe has a lot of it
(can't link that site? didn't know this)
specifically, these disorders are really popular among them:
ADHD, Autism, DID, BPD, and Tourette's.
(on tiktok, I've also really deep dived this)
supposedly 45% of gen Z has a diagnosed mental illness.

That's a fuckload. It's half of their generation.
However, I really don't think that 45% includes much of extremely rare disorders like DID/BPD which are even more rarely diagnosed in those under than 18...
I think the going theory is that COVID really really fucked with the mental health of gen Z, but the absolute obsession with mental disorders is really curious.

As a millennial, when we were in that age bracket, we had a phrase: "labels are for soup cans"
It's really not that way anymore... (not to sound like a crotchety old person)
And sociologically, I just was really fixated on trying to understand the appeal of claiming a mental illness diagnosis.
You'll see on a lot of these tiktoks: "5 signs you have [xyz] disorder" , and it'll be utterly basic stuff, like
"You bite your nails"
"you have trouble sleeping"
"you get super obsessed with the person you like"
"you have a hard time being honest with others"...
Like the modern day equivalent of pop horoscopes, but with mental illnesses.
And they will brag to each other when they are diagnosed with something serious enough to require medication, or, they will get sad and upset when they fail to be diagnosed with - say, autism.

Autism is the number one in popularity among Gen Z, at the moment. 9.4 billion views.
I think it's a good thing that autism has been destigmatized, but it's become fetishized. Actually, among older adults too.


I am not sure why this one really fixated me. Maybe it's my psychology background. Maybe it's just because its so very, very different than the people I encounter here or in communities like this.
Seeing the other side of it, and reading hundreds of comments/watching hundreds of these tiktoks...

I'm actually not that surprised that our intelligence services are worried about that app. unironically.
 Quoting: Skyracula


mk ultra currently provides reliability for our military in an era of emotional instability generally
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reposting this for those that don't know what DID is

the multiple personalities are only one part of DID, that's what frustrates me. the media has made it look so stupid, and influencers have made that much worse. Look, here is the DSM critera of diagnosis. you'll note personalities are only one part.

Symptoms of Dissociative Identity Disorder
The diagnosis of DID may be complicated by the ambiguity of its presentation; many symptoms experienced by patients with DID may resemble other physical or mental disorders, to include post-traumatic stress disorder, substance abuse or seizure disorders. The most commonly observed symptoms include:

Inability to recall large memories of childhood;

Lack of awareness of recent events, and if they do remember, inability to explain them, for example not being able to explain how the patient got somewhere, or how the acquired a possession;

“lost time,” or frequent memory loss;

Flashbacks or sudden return of memories;

Feelings of disconnection or detachment from body or thoughts;

Hallucinations or voices;

So called “out of body ” experiences;

Self-harm or suicidal thoughts;;

Changes in handwriting;

Functional changes: from nearly disabled to highly functioning

Less commonly observed manifestations observed in patients with DID:

Mood swings or depression;
Anxiety, nervousness, panic attacks or phobias;
Eating and food issues;
Unexplained sleep disorders;
Headaches or general body pain;
Sexual issues, sex addiction or sexual avoidance (AAMFT, 2014).

Diagnostic Criterea

A. Disruption of identity characterized by two or more distinct personality states, which may be described in some cultures as an experience of possession. The disruption in identity involves marked discontinuity in sense of self and sense of agency, accompanied by related alterations in affect, behavior, consciousness, memory, perception, cognition, and/or sensory-motor functioning. These signs and symptoms may be observed by others or reported by the individual.



B. Recurrent gaps in the recall of everyday events, important personal information, and/or traumatic events that are inconsistent with ordinary forgetting.



C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.



D. The disturbance is not a normal part of a broadly accepted cultural or religious practice. Note: In children, the symptoms are not better explained by imaginary playmates or other fantasy play.



E. The symptoms are not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance (e.g., blackouts or chaotic behavior during alcohol intoxication) or other medical condition (e.g., complex partial seizures) (American Psychiatric Association, 2022).
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the idea is this: the reason that the false memory foundation set up to systematically destroy the diagnosis of DID, was because the CIA was busy using and researching and deliberately creating it. There is some evidence in that respect, but I have to put it together

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https://imgur.com/utwBFxw


https://imgur.com/4ldrSHf


https://imgur.com/LT4iK00


https://imgur.com/t4U0tHA


lewis carroll knew what he was doing...
he was a freemason
the writing style is hypnotic, that's part of where the accusation of this being a programming manual comes from

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yes
kitty likes that
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you can see hypnotic language by its focus on surreality, and lewis carroll was an absolute master at word play. word play can be a very subtle hypnotic induction. and he was specific and deliberate with the symbols he put in the book.

hypnotic language is equivocational, meaning that the meanings of the writing are slightly obscure, requiring a bit of extra thought to work out. but in this case they are also seamless, so even before you have worked the meaning out as the reader, the symbolism and alliteration and smooth style of prose, almost rhythmic, has swept you along. sometimes multiple statements are different ways of saying the exact same thing, with subtle variations, and of course repetition in this way is a kind of induction, it's one of the rules of induction even

it's pretty clear this is trance induction imagery and symbolism, not because the guy was necessarily intending for it to be used maliciously but because he was just a damn natural at this style. there are of course boundless hidden, occulted meanings too. this book was supposedly also intended to be an initiation for the real alice liddel.

since woman in that era were not allowed an education, and he wanted to basically, break the rules - give alice an initiation from his position as a freemason, but also give her a sort of education with the puzzles he embedded in the book. its got a lot of layers

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writing your altered state is spelling it out
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writing your altered state is spelling it out
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I guess this would be an appropriate place to repost this.
I suppose the thread is getting a bit more random, but everything relates to the theme, it just might be a bit ... unfocused I guess

I am going to describe something somewhat vulnerable to me, mostly because I feel it is rather embarrassing, but considering what I have already shared publically on GLP in the breadth of my tenure here, I don't really think this would push the envelope per se.

I'll describe what it's like to have an episode of high dissociation, or, at least this is one manifestation of what it could be like:

I raid in my MMORPG with a static team every M/T/W. So I was off doing that. This just happened. We're currently trying to clear the last fight in the raid tier, which we've been doing for weeks. So you better believe I know that fight. I know it really well. But today my brain was absolutely trolling me so hard.

It's like: instead of being able to focus your gaze, your gaze defaults to going blurry and you have to make a very active effort to keep it focused. then it feels like there is a veil, a screen, between your mind and whatever is happening externally. It feels like, reaching through a fog, to try and sync your actions and words with whatever is happening in the outside world. And thirdly, memory - I would see the boss casting a spell, the name of which you have to remember about 10 seconds later in order to know what to do in the fight.

I kept forgetting and having to ask the team every boss pull, and they noticed, and it was embarrassing. Anything that I have in my head, disappeared within a few seconds if I did not make a very concerted effort by repeating it over and over in my head or whatever. which takes focus itself, so sometimes caused problems too

I played really badly, I kept spacing out and doing something (I know how to do, have done probably 200+ times actually) completely wrong and then realizing I’d killed the whole party. compared to normal weeks, I made a huge amount of very stupid mistakes, like I just blanked. I have played with them sometimes when I was very fatigued or even disinterested, but it was not like this. It's quite different.

I felt pretty stupid, but none of them were mad or mean or anything about it. I got teased a bit. I tried very very hard to snap out of it, but it doesn't work like that. It isn't due to drugs, or food, or meds, or a lack of caffeine, or a lack of sleep. I guess another descriptor you could add to this would be. Brain lag.

Generally this happens when I get really triggered by something, maybe it was this conversation/thread about DID I posted, I'm not really sure. In this case, I didn't have any emotions to alert me to the fact that I might become dissociative or anything. I didn't have an anxiety response ... I didn't even notice until I opened the game and it was really hard to keep the arena in focus without spacing, even before we fought.

But that’s also typical of a dissociative experience: the emotions being replaced by the dissociation, so instead of feeling the emotion, you just have this reaction. Well, not always, everyone has different triggers for this, they’re generally specific or tangential to whatever caused the DID. so, talking about DID for many is actually a DID trigger, though triggers honestly are meant to be dealt with and not just avoided, so it's not going to prevent me from conversing and writing about it.

Thing is, I'm still dissociated but, I don't have to react quickly to anything like I did in the fight, or remember anything for a period of time - it was playing the game that really highlighted it for me, made me want to write about it because I don't think most people have much context for what it's like (seer, you might actually I have a feeling, I'm not sure)

It also feels kinesthetically, something is actually pushing on you or pulling you, but only your mind. And, like you are inside your mind, and not your body at all, like floaty.

Anyway....as I have been deep diving all these tiktok and youtube DID creators, they describe what I'm experiencing as a long switch, that the whole dissociative haze is what happens while the switch is occurring, and it ends when you switch. Which is interesting. Instant switches also exist, but I've heard a few of them describe this and I was able to relate.

It is also sometimes accompanied by: headaches to migraines, nausea, stomach pain, or other odd physical symptoms. I don't have any of that at the moment, but those tend to be pretty bad. I get the nausea and the migraines. People have been commenting for years on how many headache pills I down in a day no matter how much water I drink and regardless of whether I've eaten. This is actually a symptom that's almost unanimously reported during dissociative episodes, which I found super interesting, because I never had been able to figure out why I have this migraine issue.

dissociation is something people just don't understand. everyone experiences it now and then - highway hypnosis, or when you zone out for a minute and ask someone to repeat themselves - this happens to everyone. but this sort is on a different plane, and it's very hard to explain it in a way others can empathize with.
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an additional point was, if you were a sociopath who wanted to deliberately create a trigger for this state, you could. simple as, fact. it's horrible. I wish I lived in a world where I could say nobody would ever do that. but obviously.

it's not woo either. it's classical/operant conditioning. behavioralism
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ohyeah

popular conception is that all these programs were massive failures.

Simply not so.
The LSD focus everyone talks about with those programs is a red herring, few people look further.
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Interesting. This is where I left it.
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Sirhan Sirhan
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ohyeah

popular conception is that all these programs were massive failures.

Simply not so.
The LSD focus everyone talks about with those programs is a red herring, few people look further.
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Interesting. This is where I left it.
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erickson
he's a name every student learns in psych 101.
you learn other facets of his work in that curriculum, though.
the college psychology curriculum does not highlight erickson's work with hypnosis. he worked with the cia directly.

his books on hypnosis are unequivocal. he states that he can control people's behavior if given proper access and means, and he writes at length on the specifics of how it works.
this was one of the doctors involved in the mk ultra stuff, and he absolutely isn't known that way by students.

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some people think hypnosis is bullshit.
it's not.
if you go back and read the work of psychology's great hypnotists, you'll see that they actually had great success.
the principles of this today are much more advanced.
hypnosis in large part has evolved to NLP, but many features of the older style remain.
the only reason hypnosis is considered by some to be a pseudo science is that it cannot be empirically tested the way other theories in psychology can
it can't be disproven, so the scientific method isn't applicable
but we are taught these days that hypnosis is quackery
simply not so
any "black arts" pickup artist pro will affirm this

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one of the reason that the cia was involved in so many cult activities back then, believe there is documentation supporting both the manson family and jonestown at least. I'll see if I can find the documentation.

well, the reason that they were involved was to study cult mind control methods.
as everyone knows, even popular science accept that cult brainwashing exists.
completely accepted in society.
yet, you try to suggest an agency can do this, and...
suddenly you're a paranoid schizo merely for having a hypothesis (supported by a decent amount of evidence)

manson was said to be an expert in mind control.
remember those LSD trial?
manson successfully used LSD for brainwashing.
he would get a new family member very high on lsd...and at that point, find their greatest vulnerabilities
he'd seize those, and manipulate them, while the person was in an altered state.
he did this frequently, in a high control environment.
he was a natural...
well, it seems sort of funny doesn't it
that the cia was studying lsd/mind control
and manson was doing lsd/mind control
well...

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try searching merely "manson cia"
the connection is no conspiracy
thiiiink about it

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