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If America was meant to be a Christian Nation, why seperate church and state? | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85890454 United States05/26/2023 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that "except the Lord build they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel Benjamin Franklin Who do you think this was - Allah?! |
themessengernevermatters
 User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were Christians more than anyone in our government today is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85890454 no matter that you don't like it. Actually most of them had a deistic view of God. Thomas Jefferson himself didn't like the idea of miracles, because he was a rationalist and in the end the country they founded has God but no Christianity and no denomination. As much you don't like it. It's a deist nation created on deist principles. That is why you can find all these personal quotes but none of it is in any of the founding documents period. There is no YHVH there is no Jesus mentioned anywhere. Last Edited by themessengernevermatters on 05/26/2023 02:20 AM “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
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User ID: 84318298 05/26/2023 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most were Christian. They wanted to prevent the Catholic church or Anglican church from establishing dominance in the U.S. Last Edited by WeAreNotTheFirst on 05/26/2023 02:22 AM MOFA - Make Orwell Fiction Again |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85890454 United States05/26/2023 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were Christians more than anyone in our government today is Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85890454 no matter that you don't like it. Actually most of them had a deistic view of God. Thomas Jefferson himself didn't like the idea of miracles, because he was a rationalist and in the end the country they founded has God but no Christianity and no denomination. As much you don't like it. It's a deist nation created on deist principles. That is why you can find all these personal quotes but none of it is in any of the founding documents period. There is no YHVH there is no Jesus mentioned anywhere. Thomas Jefferson Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85890454 3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever..." --Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237. "I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." |
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| themessengernevermatters
User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where do you think even the idea of our three branches of government comes from? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85890454 The Bible. (For the LORD is our Judge, The LORD is our Lawgiver, The LORD is our King; He will save us); Isaiah 33:22 Wrong again. "The Enlightenment philosopher Montesquieu coined the phrase “trias politica,” or separation of powers, in his influential 18th-century work “Spirit of the Laws.” His concept of a government divided into legislative, executive and judicial branches acting independently of each other inspired the framers of the U.S. Constitution, who vehemently opposed concentrating too much power in any one body of government. In the Federalist Papers, James Madison wrote of the necessity of the separation of powers to the new nation’s democratic government: “The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elected, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.”" [link to www.history.com (secure)] “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
| themessengernevermatters
User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah and far more than you too. You would think they were less if you actually broke bread with them though. Most modern Christians are just modern day pharisees. All about the letter of the law and persecuting sinners, not so much about the spirit of the law. And the letter without the spirit is dead. Last Edited by themessengernevermatters on 05/26/2023 02:31 AM “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85890454 United States05/26/2023 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On September 7, 1774, the Founding Fathers opened the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia with the prayer “O God of wisdom […]direct the councils of this honorable assembly […]in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.” |
| themessengernevermatters
User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On September 7, 1774, the Founding Fathers opened the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia with the prayer “O God of wisdom […]direct the councils of this honorable assembly […]in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85890454 Founding Document yet? of course not you can't find one. Keep digging though. “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85890454 United States05/26/2023 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America was never meant to be a Christian nation. It was meant to be a free nation. But that was long ago. Quoting: Blizzard Lizzard It was intended to be a Christian nation, but not a Christian government. Not one of the Founders protested Christianity in the slightest just because you do and think you know shit because you don't. |
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| themessengernevermatters
User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America was never meant to be a Christian nation. It was meant to be a free nation. But that was long ago. Quoting: Blizzard Lizzard It was intended to be a Christian nation, but not a Christian government. Not one of the Founders protested Christianity in the slightest just because you do and think you know shit because you don't. Noone said they protested Christianity ,but you just now. They didn't endorse it either and that is the point. To you that means being anti-Christian apparently. But it's not. Martyr syndrome much? “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
| themessengernevermatters
User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They just came from forced religious adherence under the crown, they were never jumping back into that pot. They wanted liberty. “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
| themessengernevermatters
User ID: 80117407 United States05/26/2023 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But you all amply make the case for your contempt for Christianity now Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85890454 just like your nation now. which is why this country will soon burn. . There is no contempt except in your retarded mind. Just because this country isn't your Christian theocracy you imagine, doesn't mean it is against Christianity. “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
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